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I would have had a panic attack. Straight up full blown panic attack. I hope you wouldn't have gotten "short" with me. Well I usually manage to get out of the store before fully melting down. Most of the time. Probably would have left my stuff and run out. I wish people thought before they do stuff like that in public :/.she gave him three swats in the store. I thought they were appropriate--loud rather than hard, only three, and the kid was still wearing his pants. The customer at the counter started loudly yelling that the woman was abusing her child. (I got a little short with him, and he left in a huff.)
Good thing it's her brother's van. Let the tatoo guy (who it probably was), deal with him. But let your brother know what happened.Depending on the state, someone can record your vehicle's license plate and find out your name and address.
Good for you. People are so afraid to discipline their children now a days. At that age, a good talking to, isn't going to work and there is nothing wrong with a firm swat. The child probably never even felt it with a diaper on. This is what's wrong with children in this time. Parents are afraid to parent. I'm not talking about a beating, but I was spanked and I learned the difference between right and wrong.The customer at the counter started loudly yelling that the woman was abusing her child. (I got a little short with him, and he left in a huff.) The woman thanked me for standing up for her and commented on how hard it is to raise children with good values, like don't steal. Resolved.
Parenting has nothing to do with hitting. Or "swatting" if that word makes you feel better. Nor does teaching discipline. One can raise a fine human being without ever striking them (with a lower chance of anxiety disorders!). Anyone who doesn't know how to teach a toddler something without hitting them shouldn't be allowed within 10 feet of a child.Parents are afraid to parent
That actually has happened to me, a couple of times. The first time, I lost them. The second time, I let them follow me to the police station parking lot. LOL, the idiot actually followed me inTO the lot, where I flagged down a patrolman on foot, who dealt with the whole thing very firmly.So, first shift arrives, takes over the store (I told her about the pumps and the messes), I clock out and leave the store. As I pulled out of the parking lot, a car on the other side of the store pulled out as well, and followed me onto the road. Coincidences happen. I thought nothing of it. It turned onto the same highway, right behind me. Again, I just figured that someone was taking a shortcut to the interstate (if you keep driving past the road I live on, you come right to it and it's impossible to miss). No worries. So the car follows me onto my street. Slight concern, but no worries--I figured the driver lived in the (very expensive and poorly built--and I visited the houses in construction phase so I know) subdivision that was recently built on my street. Passed the subdivision, following me. At this point I'm getting very concerned, but I'm still not sure the person (couldn't tell who was driving it, and for the most part cars all look the same to me) is following me, so I pass my house (if they were following, I certainly didn't want to lead them home)--and the car follows me. It follows me through the circle not far from the street, it follows me through a subdivision--where I finally lost them, and then I go home, checking my rearview to make sure that they are, in fact, no longer following me.
Isn't that the worst?!? If your hands are wet or too dry or you're wearing gloves (that don't have the special touchscreen fingers) or whatever, it just doesn't want to swipe. And if I hold it the wrong way to my face during a call, my cheek touches the hang up button :/. No wonder everybody prefers texting.I am FINALLY getting the hang of my new smartphone. I've never had to deal with sliding and swiping and such. There is a learning curve, but I can reliably answer my phone 9 times out of 10, and hang it back up EVERY TIME! We progress!
I will admit that it never even occurred to me to call the police, but even if it had I wouldn't have been able to. See, ever since the incident with Mr. Pieces-of-you-in-a-jar, I've been keeping my phone in my back pocket so that I can easily reach it at work. (It's a flip phone--it can take the abuse.) What this means, among other things, was that I couldn't reach my phone because I was literally sitting on it.tallyollyopia I think it was you that once said you aren't sure when to call the police. Someone clearly following you is one of those times that 911 is warranted. Since whoever knows your vehicle, it can possibly be found when parked near your place. Depending on the state, someone can record your vehicle's license plate and find out your name and address.
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She was probably thinking that she wanted to make sure the kit connected the punishment with the crime. Hard to do at that age and attention span unless it's addressed right then.I would have had a panic attack. Straight up full blown panic attack. I hope you wouldn't have gotten "short" with me. Well I usually manage to get out of the store before fully melting down. Most of the time. Probably would have left my stuff and run out. I wish people thought before they do stuff like that in public :/.
I will definitely let RB know. (I didn't have time before he went to work this morning to tell him.)Good thing it's her brother's van. Let the tatoo guy (who it probably was), deal with him. But let your brother know what happened.
Good for you. People are so afraid to discipline their children now a days. At that age, a good talking to, isn't going to work and there is nothing wrong with a firm swat. The child probably never even felt it with a diaper on. This is what's wrong with children in this time. Parents are afraid to parent. I'm not talking about a beating, but I was spanked and I learned the difference between right and wrong.
Out of curiosity, if you'd been in that woman's position, what would you have done to make sure he knew the crime was bad?Parenting has nothing to do with hitting. Or "swatting" if that word makes you feel better. Nor does teaching discipline. One can raise a fine human being without ever striking them (with a lower chance of anxiety disorders!). Anyone who doesn't know how to teach a toddler something without hitting them shouldn't be allowed within 10 feet of a child.
Also, generally speaking, if someone has so little self-control that they strike their child in public, they probably are doing much worse at home.
Now, there's an idea. If I change my route a bit the county station is on the way home. I think I'll do that if it happens again.That actually has happened to me, a couple of times. The first time, I lost them. The second time, I let them follow me to the police station parking lot. LOL, the idiot actually followed me inTO the lot, where I flagged down a patrolman on foot, who dealt with the whole thing very firmly.
I am FINALLY getting the hang of my new smartphone. I've never had to deal with sliding and swiping and such. There is a learning curve, but I can reliably answer my phone 9 times out of 10, and hang it back up EVERY TIME! We progress!
I hope so. Egads, what a night. Tonight should be better--there aren't so many parties going on tonight (there were at least five parties downtown). Too late now (the camera system resets at End Of Day and a manager code is needed to get into it after that), but I'll keep it in mind if he comes back tonight. He shouldn't come back--I clearly didn't have a tattoo, and clearly my forearms have never been tattoo'd. Who knows?tallyollyopia I'm worried about the run-in you had with Tattoo Creep and about you being followed after your shift. Your security cameras cover the check-out area, I hope. If the videos are replaced by later ones, it might be a good idea to save everything recorded about 10 - 15 minutes before, during and after Tattoo Creep was there. Same with the videos taken from outside cameras, especially any that might show him getting out of and into his vehicle. If his license plate is visible, it might worth trying to find out the owner of the car, using the means that arouetta recommended above.
More free, unsolicited advice: I don't know if there is a police station close-enough but whenever you suspect that you're being followed by someone, especially after being verbally assaulted by a creep, that's the place to go. Watch how fast they speed off when they see your destination.
Hopefully, this is just one (or two) of those unpleasant experiences that come with working with the public and is over now. I am a bit of a worrywart.
Was it "bad"? What foundation had she set to teach the kid what to do? Even if one approves of physical punishment, you do NOT use it to teach toddlers. That's like using a choke chain to leash train a puppy. They don't understand and it's cruel. Being caused pain /undue distress by a parent or other trusted adult rewires a child's brain. Not in a good way. I'm not a parent and don't have too much opinion about the various ways one may teach little ones how to be a human, as long as it is compassionate. I just think hitting a child (and other things that cause pain) is WRONG.Out of curiosity, if you'd been in that woman's position, what would you have done to make sure he knew the crime was bad?
OMG no. H*LL NO. My mom was locked in a closet for punishment in kindergarten (her teacher also stapled a boy's tongue for talking) and she's now horribly claustrophobic. I mean she can't close the door in a 10' x 10' room kind of claustrophobic. They should definitely be shot. Actually that's probably too good for them. Locked in the cabinet for a month, how about that. I don't know why people want to torture kids and think it's OK. An ego thing maybe.Also: I came across a petition to allow schools to install "punishment rooms" in classrooms, which are basically cabinets with a chair that lock from the outside. Whoever came up with that should be shot.
I feel the same. That and the panic attacks. I think the 2 things might be related in some weird way (being afraid of my own capacity for violence = fear of another's violence?).For the record I was spanked, not beaten. And the potential for violence that lies within me scares me. I dare not let it out because I don't know where I will stop. And I think spanking, the concept that it's okay to hit if you have power over your victim, led to a lot of that.
I'm not a parent, so I don't have ground to stand on in the spanking debate, but since I would never punish a dog or a cat physically I don't see any logic in punishing a child that way either.Was it "bad"? What foundation had she set to teach the kid what to do? Even if one approves of physical punishment, you do NOT use it to teach toddlers. That's like using a choke chain to leash train a puppy.
The "clinking" only works as a cue if they've been popped real hard a few times. It's a threat of pain (pop yourself with a choker and see how it goes). That's the only way it works as a cue.The idea of a choke chain is for the dog to hear the clinking of the chain as it tightens if they pull and to use it as a cue to stop pulling.
The biggest difference between the two situations, as I personally see it, is that the woman in your store didn't stop. The child was shrieking in pain, clearly frightened, and she didn't stop. The little boy wasn't even hurt--like I said, I saw the whole thing. It was loud, not hard (her hand was cupped for all three slaps), and there were only three smacks. Then--punishment over.I agree with Willowy. Teaching can be done without violence. At that age, immediate, but it can be done without a hit. To be honest does a child that age really understand why they are being hit, or is it like hitting a cat who is damaging blinds? That the immediate is so different that a 3 year old doesn't know that touching something is what triggered being hit?
Would anyone like it if punishment at work is your boss turning you across his knee? No. Doubt it. Isn't bullying someone who is stronger hitting someone who is weaker? Yeah. What's the difference? Nothing.
You all said the woman in my store who hit a lost child was bad. But now with a smaller child it's good?
For the record I was spanked, not beaten. And the potential for violence that lies within me scares me. I dare not let it out because I don't know where I will stop. And I think spanking, the concept that it's okay to hit if you have power over your victim, led to a lot of that.
What else could the mom do? Well kids that age always have a lovey or a toy in hand. It's a good time to teach empathy by kneeling down, say "that is stealing, you took something precious from tallyollyopia. I'm taking your lovey." Take it. "Do you like that I took it? No? This is how you made tallyollyopia feel." And then keep it for several minutes. Oh there will be screaming galore. And the lesson will need repeating. But no parent who spanks only spanks a child one time in a lifetime. Obviously that didn't take the first time either.
I may have mentioned, in passing, that DD was a tad negligent in the parenting department. Let me clarify a little bit here--after the divorce he would leave eight year-old me in charge of my two year-old RB. One of the things I would do as a punishment when he acted up (which wasn't often--and again, I remind you both that violence was a last resort in my home and that I was only eight) is that I would, in order (depending on the offense); take away the toy, turn off the TV, or lock him in the closet. (Again--I was eight and didn't know better.) As soon as I learned it was a bad thing, I stopped. Poor RB--he still has nightmares about being trapped in small places.Was it "bad"? What foundation had she set to teach the kid what to do? Even if one approves of physical punishment, you do NOT use it to teach toddlers. That's like using a choke chain to leash train a puppy. They don't understand and it's cruel. Being caused pain /undue distress by a parent or other trusted adult rewires a child's brain. Not in a good way. I'm not a parent and don't have too much opinion about the various ways one may teach little ones how to be a human, as long as it is compassionate. I just think hitting a child (and other things that cause pain) is WRONG.
OMG no. H*LL NO. My mom was locked in a closet for punishment in kindergarten (her teacher also stapled a boy's tongue for talking) and she's now horribly claustrophobic. I mean she can't close the door in a 10' x 10' room kind of claustrophobic. They should definitely be shot. Actually that's probably too good for them. Locked in the cabinet for a month, how about that. I don't know why people want to torture kids and think it's OK. An ego thing maybe.
I feel the same. That and the panic attacks. I think the 2 things might be related in some weird way (being afraid of my own capacity for violence = fear of another's violence?).
We actually did something in 4-H where we tested this by putting the collars on our wrists and using the same level of pressure to pop them. Unless you are using pinch collars (the ones with the spikes that point in on the chain) or doing it completely wrong, the correction doesn't hurt. Even then, dogs and even puppies have very thick skin and fur around their throats which make the main effect of a pop just the swift sound and brief pressure and release on their throat. The idea is to get their attention not to harm them. Most people really don't know how to use these choke chains and shouldn't be using them. They use them on dogs all the time (insane, these are only for training). And use the ones with the spikes on dogs that aren't challenging cases.The "clinking" only works as a cue if they've been popped real hard a few times. It's a threat of pain (pop yourself with a choker and see how it goes). That's the only way it works as a cue.
But anyway, dog trainers who do use chokers (except for a sadistic few) say that you shouldn't use them on puppies. You teach the basics with a flat collar. Then if you choose to use "correction", you only pop them once they know the basics and understand what you want, and have the attention span to give you what you want.