Using eggshell or MCHA (calcium hydroxyapatite) to balance meat or meat & organs

[ahlysha]

Question on eggshells.

How d I prepare these?

How many per cat? (I have eight cats )


Thanks

 

[ritz]

I've looked off and on for the official 'receipe' for egg shells and can't seem to come up with it. But from when I was considering feeding Ritz egg shells instead of bone this is what I remember:
You clean the shells very well, removing the membrane. And then dry very very thoroughly. Did I emphasize 'thoroughly'. You so do not want moldy egg shell.
Then you grind the shells into a powder--a coffee grinder used solely for this purpose is purfect.
It is important that you grind whatever shells you can buy (egg, quail, duck) because different sizes of egg produce different amounts of powder.
In so far as amount, it's around Post 1 of this thread, compliments of LDG:
"For eggshell, 1/32 teaspoon of powder balances one ounce of meat; 3/64 teaspoon balances one ounce of organs. For batches, this means that 1/2 teaspoon balances one pound of meat and 3/4 of a teaspoon balances one pound of organs."
By the way you can buy nifty measuring spoons on Amazon.

Tad - 1/8th teaspoon
Dash - 1/16th teaspoon (or less than 1/8th teaspoon)
Pinch - 1/16th teaspoon (or 1/24th teaspoon)
Smidgen (smidge, for short) - 1/32nd teaspoon (or 1/48th teaspoon)
Drop - 1/60th teaspoon (or 1/80th teaspoon or 1/120th teaspoon)
Hint - a trace

 

[ahlysha]

Thank you Ritz. That helps a lot. I haven't a coffee grinder but I do have a magic bullet that grinds nicely.

I think making the meat by the pound makes measuring the eggshell powder easier.

Thanks again,.

 

[goholistic]

Thank you Ritz. That helps a lot. I haven't a coffee grinder but I do have a magic bullet that grinds nicely.

I think making the meat by the pound makes measuring the eggshell powder easier.

Thanks again,.

Let the eggshells settle after grinding. They create a lot of "dust." 

When I dabbled in raw for a short time, I actually used a mortar and pestle to grind the eggshells finely. So if the magic bullet doesn't get them as fine as you'd like, you could always finish them off with a mortar and pestle if you have one.

 

[ezequielgm]

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Hello everone,

Question: I will be supplementing the raw meat and organ mix I feed my cat daily with MCHA. I normally feed about 4 oz in the morning and evenings. It  looks like I should be using about 3-4 capsules of the NOW MCHA to supplement 4 oz of meat/organs. I would have to use 6-8 capsules per day to balance the 8oz he eats daily. Doesn’t that seem like a lot of capsules for such a small animal? Am I miscalculating something?  Any suggestions on how to add that much powder to the meat?

Thank you,

Ezequiel

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[ldg]

Bone has a lot of phosphorus in it. MCHA is freeze dried bone. So yes, it takes a rather large volume to get to the proper Calciumhosphorus ratio.

When I use it, I just sprinkle it on. I feed chunks of meat - in 1.2 ounce servings. Some get one chunk, others get bite-sized pieces, a couple get it served in 2 or 3 strips. Meat is wet, so the stuff sticks. And then I divide the juicy run-off in the bag that's there from thawing between the dishes, and whatever bits of powder aren't stuck to the meat get licked up when they drink the juice stuff. It's important to include that anyway, as taurine is water soluble, and that "meat juice" contains valuable nutrients, especially taurine.

If you are using ground, just mix it in!

 

[ezequielgm]

Thank you so much!! This is great. Have you tried supplementing with eggshell powder as well? If so, do your cats show a preference for either one of them (eggshell or MCHA)?

Thanks again,

Ezequiel

 

[ldg]

I've looked off and on for the official 'receipe' for egg shells and can't seem to come up with it. But from when I was considering feeding Ritz egg shells instead of bone this is what I remember:
You clean the shells very well, removing the membrane. And then dry very very thoroughly. Did I emphasize 'thoroughly'. You so do not want moldy egg shell.
Then you grind the shells into a powder--a coffee grinder used solely for this purpose is purfect.
It is important that you grind whatever shells you can buy (egg, quail, duck) because different sizes of egg produce different amounts of powder.
In so far as amount, it's around Post 1 of this thread, compliments of LDG:
"For eggshell, 1/32 teaspoon of powder balances one ounce of meat; 3/64 teaspoon balances one ounce of organs. For batches, this means that 1/2 teaspoon balances one pound of meat and 3/4 of a teaspoon balances one pound of organs."
By the way you can buy nifty measuring spoons on Amazon.

Tad - 1/8th teaspoon
Dash - 1/16th teaspoon (or less than 1/8th teaspoon)
Pinch - 1/16th teaspoon (or 1/24th teaspoon)
Smidgen (smidge, for short) - 1/32nd teaspoon (or 1/48th teaspoon)
Drop - 1/60th teaspoon (or 1/80th teaspoon or 1/120th teaspoon)
Hint - a trace

Actually - don't remove the membrane! It's full of glucosamine and chrondroitin. Helps make up for the lack of connective tissue when not using real bone.

And it is recommended to bake the shells at 350F (175C) for 10 - 15 minutes. This is a safety measure, to kill an bacteria that may be on the shell, in addition to making them really dry and brittle.

 

[ldg]

Thank you so much!! This is great. Have you tried supplementing with eggshell powder as well? If so, do your cats show a preference for either one of them (eggshell or MCHA)?

Thanks again,
Ezequiel

I use both. I feed 9 cats raw, and it's too expensive for me to use MCHA exclusively. So I alternate - when I can afford it - and use MCHA and eggshell every alternating two weeks. We recently rescued a 2 year old kitty, so I use MCHA exclusively for him. My others were all older when we transitioned - they range in age from 7 to 12 years old, with most of them being 10, 11, and 12. So for the older kitties, I pretty much use eggshell exclusively, because it provides the calcium, magnesium, and trace minerals, but without the phosphorus - so easier on their aging kidneys.

For my FLUTD girl (also cystitis), I use eggshell exclusively, as she's prone to constipation, and for whatever reason, it's not a problem with the eggshell powder. I typically target a Ca ratio of around 1.3:1, though with her, I make it a tad lower. I know I don't know it exactly - but I do use a scant 1/32 teaspoon of eggshell powder with her (per ounce of food) rather than a flat 1/32nd teaspoon.

 

[ldg]

Oh - no, I see no preference in taste. Flowerbelle doesn't like all the powder on hers. No one else seems to mind one way or the other.

 

[ezequielgm]

Thanks so much LDG for the valuable information! You are such a devoted guardian!

Ezequiel

 

[antigone]

Hi to everyone,

I came across the cat site while looking for info on how much calcium to use when I feed meat and organs without bones(beef,lamb).The tables on this thread are very useful,but the problem for me is that I don't have access to the measuring spoons you are referring to when using eggshells.I can only calculate in grams.So,if it's possible and not too much to ask,can someone tell me the quantities in grams?

 

[mschauer]

 
Hi to everyone,

I came across the cat site while looking for info on how much calcium to use when I feed meat and organs without bones(beef,lamb).The tables on this thread are very useful,but the problem for me is that I don't have access to the measuring spoons you are referring to when using eggshells.I can only calculate in grams.So,if it's possible and not too much to ask,can someone tell me the quantities in grams?

It will depend on how finely ground the eggshell is. The product a lot of people at TCS use is from the KnowWhatYouFeed website and is finely ground and is 6.1 grams per teaspoon.

 

[antigone]

 
It will depend on how finely ground the eggshell is. The product a lot of people at TCS use is from the KnowWhatYouFeed website and is finely ground and is 6.1 grams per teaspoon.

Thanks a lot mschauer.

I didn't noticed before, it was explained in the note.

I don't think I can find this or similar products here, but I can make my own using organic eggs.

 

[nessakhoo]

this is so confusing. 

Who can clarify this for me. 

Per-feeding I have 80/10/10 50grams of which is protein. how do i calculate how much eggshell to give.

will giving more be bad?  

 

[mschauer]

this is so confusing. 

Who can clarify this for me. 

Per-feeding I have 80/10/10 50grams of which is protein. how do i calculate how much eggshell to give.

will giving more be bad?  

The 80/10/10 guidelines refer to the diet being 80% meat, 10% bone and 10% organs. Those percentages are all by weight. If you use eggshell as your calcium source rather than bone then you shouldn't use the 80/10/10 guidelines. The amount of eggshell needed to provide the required amount of calcium would weight a lot less than the amount of bone required so the meat and organ percentages would change. It doesn't take much eggshell to provide the needed calcium so using 85 % meat, 15% organs plus eggshell should be good.

I don't follow the 80/10/10 guidelines. Hopefully someone who does and who also uses eggshell will post how much they use.

Exactly what are you feeding? Just meat and organs with no supplements other than the eggshell you are trying to add? Are the meat and organs in chunks or ground?

 

[nessakhoo]

The 80/10/10 guidelines refer to the diet being 80% meat, 10% bone and 10% organs. Those percentages are all by weight. If you use eggshell as your calcium source rather than bone then you shouldn't use the 80/10/10 guidelines. The amount of eggshell needed to provide the required amount of calcium would weight a lot less than the amount of bone required so the meat and organ percentages would change. It doesn't take much eggshell to provide the needed calcium so using 85 % meat, 15% organs plus eggshell should be good.

I don't follow the 80/10/10 guidelines. Hopefully someone who does and who also uses eggshell will post how much they use.

Exactly what are you feeding? Just meat and organs with no supplements other than the eggshell you are trying to add? Are the meat and organs in chunks or ground?

Chunks. I have added lysine. If I go for 85% 15% how much egg shell am I required to give.

Kind of confused on how to calculate how much I need.

 

[mschauer]

Chunks. I have added lysine. If I go for 85% 15% how much egg shell am I required to give.

Kind of confused on how to calculate how much I need.

The charts given in post #1 of this thread show how much eggshell you need depending on the what meats and organs you use.

The thing is that how much eggshell you need depends on how much phosphorus there is the diet. Phosphorus binds with calcium and so makes it unavailable to the body. You need to provide enough eggshell so that the calcium in it is enough to offset the phosphorus plus some. How much phosphorus there is in the diet depends on the meat and organs used.

So there is no way of knowing how much eggshell you need without knowing what meats and organs you are using.

 

[nansiludie]

I've found this very helpful as my grinder is getting old fast with grinding chicken bones, especially leg bones, so I'm using egg shells from my own hens. Note, I do not butcher mine but use the eggs for cooking and cat food.

I freeze dry, if you will, my egg shells in my freezer. I rinse them and then set them in a shallow pan, like a tv dinner tray and leave them there for a month or two, possibly they dry sooner than that but I've not really paid much mind.

 

[lahni]

When you give the amounts by capsule, you did not state that this is based upon the bottle of Now Calciium Hydroxyapatite that contains 250 mg per capsule.

I purchased a bottle that is 500 mg.  If you do purchase this bottle, you must halve the capsule amount.