Bolded emphasis mine. I think this is the real problem with this thread -- there's a difference between laymen's terms and breeders' terms. Certainly the breeders' terms are technically the correct ones, but that doesn't mean the laymen's terms don't exist.
Problem is the OP is not on the US, so continuing to post Calico and its American description is irrelevant to the OP
Thanks for answering this for me. But it makes me wonder, would there be a difference in breeders' terms? Just trying to understand.
I'm afraid a USA based breeder would have to answer that, as I am not a breeder. It was not until this thread that I realized that calicos and tortishells are considered the same thing in other parts of the world and / or breeders.....Thanks for answering this for me. But it makes me wonder, would there be a difference in breeders' terms? Just trying to understand.
ETA: As far as this thread goes, I think it was hijacked long ago!We've long since stopped referring to the OP's cat!
But..it says "Breeders Corner" in the title of this section. One would assume that it is a place where breeders write, and people who come here asking questions about breed or color should expect (I did when I joined) to get replies from breeders with correct terms (as they might not even know the self invented or slang words, even if just because not all of us are native English speakers). If they don't want the real terms, why would they come and post in the "Breeders Corner", there are other sections too, like the cat lounge?I think this is the real problem with this thread -- there's a difference between laymen's terms and breeders' terms. Certainly the breeders' terms are technically the correct ones, but that doesn't mean the laymen's terms don't exist.
Well, TICA is an US based registry and they don't use the term 'calico', it's 'tortie with white' in their color list too.Originally Posted by StealthKitty
Thanks for answering this for me. But it makes me wonder, would there be a difference in breeders' terms? Just trying to understand.
ETA: As far as this thread goes, I think it was hijacked long ago!We've long since stopped referring to the OP's cat!
What other registry does it?
But..it says "Breeders Corner" in the title of this section. One would assume that it is a place where breeders write, and people who come here asking questions about breed or color should expect (I did when I joined) to get replies from breeders with correct terms (as they might not even know the self invented or slang words, even if just because not all of us are native English speakers). If they don't want the real terms, why would they come and post in the "Breeders Corner", there are other sections too, like the cat lounge?
Maybe they should switch the name and make all of us breeders leave so there wouldn't be any confusing or crazy topics like "Hey, this is my silver Persian, what do you think? He was born in our shed, the mother was a stray we couldn't catch. -Pretty cat. Looks like a blue domestic shorthair to me. -Agreed, blue DSH. -U LIE! IS A PERSIAN, I know 'cause my cousin once saw a picture of one and said my cat is one. I trust him and not you evil snotty people!"
(For some reason in my mind that person asking about their cat in this imaginary conversation sounds like Vicky Pollard: ,but then again it's 5am here and I really should go to sleep..) And no, I am not trying to offend anyone.
Yeah, no calicoes (sp?) in TICA, just torties. Seems like CFA makes an exception. So part of the North America uses the term calico and it's correct there, the rest, including parts of South America (bit surprisingly under FIFé registry) use 'tortie with white'.So TICA says they are the same? Oh dear, it's all very confusing in the US. Is it really all uniform in Europe and Australia? I can see why it's frustrating to breeders when others try to answer breed-related questions with colloquial terms.
As I'm not at all familiar with the registries, I meant "they, too," as in the CFA (if I understood their website correctly, I admit I might not have) and laymen--myself included--that distinguish between them.
Maybe we should start a new forum called "In Your Opinion..." where everyone can post photos of their new (paperless) kittens and start a poll about what breed it most resembles.Originally Posted by NorthernGlow
If they don't want the real terms, why would they come and post in the "Breeders Corner", there are other sections too, like the cat lounge?
Most already have
Excellent! Gave me a good laugh and so did the video....
Maybe they should switch the name and make all of us breeders leave so there wouldn't be any confusing or crazy topics like "Hey, this is my silver Persian, what do you think? He was born in our shed, the mother was a stray we couldn't catch. -Pretty cat. Looks like a blue domestic shorthair to me. -Agreed, blue DSH. -U LIE! IS A PERSIAN, I know 'cause my cousin once saw a picture of one and said my cat is one. I trust him and not you evil snotty people!"
(For some reason in my mind that person asking about their cat in this imaginary conversation sounds like Vicky Pollard: ,but then again it's 5am here and I really should go to sleep..) And no, I am not trying to offend anyone.
Another excellent post, another good laugh before work! Keep them coming.Maybe we should start a new forum called "In Your Opinion..." where everyone can post photos of their new (paperless) kittens and start a poll about what breed it most resembles.That way, the new owners can have the satisfaction of saying to their friends, "I've been told she resembles a tabby Siamese Bengal with some Scottish Fold in her! That's why her ears are short and she likes to scratch and bite. It's the Bengal and Scots Fold in her! No, I doubt that it's because of the winter she spent on the streets before I rescued her."
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In NZ, both cats would be called Tortoiseshells, the second tortie with white or black/blue/etc tortie bicolour.In the US, we call this a tortoiseshell:
Looks sort of like a "brindle" dog.
And we call this a calico.
The red and black patches are just that -- patches -- and not as "mixed in" as in the tortie.
So cat #2 in other countries would be called a tortoiseshell and white?
Fife uses a sensible naming system - three letters for the breed (e.g. OSH = Oriental Shorthair, SIA = Siamese) and then a suffix for the colour and pattern. The GCCF is all over the place, and even in the new breeds that have a more systematic code there are at least two systems for the colour / pattern being used.
n | black ("n" comes from the French noir, meaning black), seal (in pointed cats), brown (in BUR), ruddy (in ABY and SOM), tawny (in OCI) |
Bwahaha!! So "aristocratic" then(For some reason in my mind that person asking about their cat in this imaginary conversation sounds like Vicky Pollard: ,but then again it's 5am here and I really should go to sleep..) And no, I am not trying to offend anyone.
The cats are registered by their genotype, so the 'n' includes all those that are genetically black. The breed naming system is very simple too, though I have to say the code for Asian Shorthair made me lol.. They maybe should have thought about it a bit more. "This is my huge white ASS, isn't he handsome?"
