Convenia Cat Death

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What anti-inflammatory was your cat given along with or after the covenia? Did you have blood work when your cat was going downhill? What did that show?
She wasn't given one if you mean Angie. I did have bloodwork before and after convenia was given to Angie. No anemia pre convenia and then life threatening anemia about 2-3 days after, maybe before, that was when the bw was done I think.

oops, somehow, I thought this post was a reply to me and I answered it. Anyway, I hope my input may help.
 
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Convenia was started as an antibiotic for cats because most people c as not give their cats pills. The vets don’t make allot of money off of it. It is expensive, but does cost the vets allot to buy it. The pharmaceutical companies are the ones making money. I think it is used way to much. If you have a feral cat that you aren’t going to see again after he is trapped and neutered, then I understand if the cat really needs it. Otherwise, vets should be teaching people how to give pills.

To the OP. I am truly sorry about your cat.
 

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Convenia was started as an antibiotic for cats because most people c as not give their cats pills. The vets don’t make allot of money off of it. It is expensive, but does cost the vets allot to buy it. The pharmaceutical companies are the ones making money. I think it is used way to much. If you have a feral cat that you aren’t going to see again after he is trapped and neutered, then I understand if the cat really needs it. Otherwise, vets should be teaching people how to give pills.

To the OP. I am truly sorry about your cat.
Zoetis lists acquisition costs vs what they recommend charging… it does look like for cats and lower weight dogs etc. they are marking up 200% or more over what they pay so they are making a big profit. Plus as you said it’s expensive and it goes bad quickly, hence the motivation for why it was pushed on me when it first came out. And for giving it to Fred when he had no bacterial infection and even worse without my permission. They charged $80 for it that time I think.

Recently I paid $33 for a course of metro for Fred. I’m not sure what the markup is for that or what it costs them. I can look it up. But it’s still extremely expensive.

We all know we can get many of these drugs more cheaply if we get a prescription and order them online.

As it turns out, I couldn’t get him to take any of the metro so I may have well just flushed the money down the toilet… it really pisses me off, I told them that too. That money could’ve gone towards giving him the enema and other treatments, which actually seems to be something that helped him.

 

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You have to realize that you aren’t just paying for the medication. You are paying for the overhead, the lab equipment, the staff, the hazard disposal, the insurance, the list goes on. If you compare the cost of veterinary medicine to human medicine it is very reasonable. But, most people have insurance so they don’t have to pay out of pocket. Show me any hospital stay ( human) that isn’t around $20,000.00 a night at least. I honestly don’t know why vets are expected to to not make a profit. It is a business.
 

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I am so sad and angry reading about all of these terrible deaths from Convenia! I am spiraling in grief for not researching this scary drug before it was given to a member of our family, our beloved Banxie. On 12/2, my daughter noticed that Banxie’s eye looked swollen, so we brought him to the emergency vet. They told us he had a dental abscess, and that we’d need to schedule surgery to have the infected tooth removed. In the meantime, they said, they’d help him feel better by giving him “a convenient, injectable antibiotic and pain relief”. This seemed reasonable to me at the time, and I didn’t think to question an antibiotic. Here is Banxie that day on the way to the vet. You can see his right eye is puffy:
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Banxie, who weighed 4.21 kg, was given the following:
Convenia Injection 80 mg/ml
Onsior 20mg/ml Ini
BNP with Dex Ophthalmic Ointme


A few hours after getting the shots, Banxie stopped eating and started drinking an excessive amount of water. His back legs started giving out underneath him when he tried to stand up, and he could only move a short distance before sitting back down. I had to move his water and litter right next to him.

By 12/4, his eye swelled even more, and he became increasingly ataxic and anorexic. I could barely get him to eat Lickables treats, and was worried he was getting worse. Here is how his eye looked then:
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I brought him back to the Emergency vet, and they told me that his symptoms were a result of a systemic infection from his tooth, and that he would be fine until his surgery the next day.

Banxie continued to decline that night, and I stayed up with him counting his breaths and praying. In the morning, we rushed to the surgery center, where they immediately brought him back to triage and confirmed my worst fears. Banxie was in kidney failure and the incredibly kind vet told me that with IV fluids and hospitalization, we might have a 20% chance of pulling him through. We were getting him ready for the IV, and I was so relieved to finally be with a vet who seemed to understand and actually care, and then Banxie died in arms before he could even get it he IV:
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The vet said that he did not believe Banxie even had a tooth abscess to begin with, and that he likely didn’t need antibiotics. Apparently, they aren’t supposed to give Convenia without doing a culture first.

Now that I actually look at the drug safety sheet, I see that it clearly says that Convenia and anti-inflammatories can create adverse effects when used together. I also see that the correct does for Banxie’s weight should have been much lower.
See safety sheet here.
Banxie joined our family on my daughter’s third birthday, and he was there for us through her father’s hospitalizations, through every holiday, every skinned knee- Banxie was there. I am beyond devastated and hope that someone else can learn from my ignorance. I let down our best boy and my daughter’s childhood best friend. This pain is literally heart breaking— and all of this days before my daughter’s 13th birthday. I feel like the emergency vet killed my cat and I let him. I owed our boy so much better.

What could the eye swelling have been if not a tooth abscess? He didn’t have the hind-leg weakness, ataxia, or anorexia until he got the shots. I feel haunted and sick to my stomach.


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Sending love and light to all who are missing their furry loves tonight. ❤


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You have to realize that you aren’t just paying for the medication. You are paying for the overhead, the lab equipment, the staff, the hazard disposal, the insurance, the list goes on. If you compare the cost of veterinary medicine to human medicine it is very reasonable. But, most people have insurance so they don’t have to pay out of pocket. Show me any hospital stay ( human) that isn’t around $20,000.00 a night at least. I honestly don’t know why vets are expected to to not make a profit. It is a business.
Imo it is not reasonable at all. Yes I realize there are other things they need to pay for, it still does not justify 200 and more percent mark ups when we know we can get the meds much cheaper elsewhere. In NY they used to be able not to give you an rx to get it elsewhere, now though they are required to if asked.
Their costs are outrageous for many things just as are medical costs for people, so I would not compare the two by that, in dvm medicine they are not regulated at all which is the main difference. Most people can not afford insurance for their pets and now can not afford basic costs. Ins for pets is also in many cases not very good, they charge a lot and give bad coverage.

Being a business does not give you the right to fleece people. At some point it can become exploitation because people are desperate to keep their furry friends with them.
 

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Now that I actually look at the drug safety sheet, I see that it clearly says that Convenia and anti-inflammatories can create adverse effects when used together. I also see that the correct does for Banxie’s weight should have been much lower.
Sadly, this is not obscure information about Convenia and is mentioned on many of the reliable veterinary websites. In #2 and #17 of this thread, I listed the contact information for Zoetis if you would like to file a report with them. It can also be reported to the FDA. I know that this does not bring Banxie back to you or your children and I am very sorry for his loss in such a traumatic way.
 

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Imo it is not reasonable at all. Yes I realize there are other things they need to pay for, it still does not justify 200 and more percent mark ups when we know we can get the meds much cheaper elsewhere. In NY they used to be able not to give you an rx to get it elsewhere, now though they are required to if asked.
Their costs are outrageous for many things just as are medical costs for people, so I would not compare the two by that, in dvm medicine they are not regulated at all which is the main difference. Most people can not afford insurance for their pets and now can not afford basic costs. Ins for pets is also in many cases not very good, they charge a lot and give bad coverage.

Being a business does not give you the right to fleece people. At some point it can become exploitation because people are desperate to keep their furry friends with them.
Veterinarians are regulated by state and federal boards. They have to comply like human doctors.
 

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Recently I paid $33 for a course of metro for Fred. I’m not sure what the markup is for that or what it costs them. I can look it up. But it’s still extremely expensive.
Metronidazole?
 

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I am so sad and angry reading about all of these terrible deaths from Convenia! I am spiraling in grief for not researching this scary drug before it was given to a member of our family, our beloved Banxie. On 12/2, my daughter noticed that Banxie’s eye looked swollen, so we brought him to the emergency vet. They told us he had a dental abscess, and that we’d need to schedule surgery to have the infected tooth removed. In the meantime, they said, they’d help him feel better by giving him “a convenient, injectable antibiotic and pain relief”. This seemed reasonable to me at the time, and I didn’t think to question an antibiotic. Here is Banxie that day on the way to the vet. You can see his right eye is puffy:
B889B6F9-8C82-4F37-9E52-1B78CD28B587.jpeg
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Banxie, who weighed 4.21 kg, was given the following:
Convenia Injection 80 mg/ml
Onsior 20mg/ml Ini
BNP with Dex Ophthalmic Ointme


A few hours after getting the shots, Banxie stopped eating and started drinking an excessive amount of water. His back legs started giving out underneath him when he tried to stand up, and he could only move a short distance before sitting back down. I had to move his water and litter right next to him.

By 12/4, his eye swelled even more, and he became increasingly ataxic and anorexic. I could barely get him to eat Lickables treats, and was worried he was getting worse. Here is how his eye looked then:
5DA7F2AE-C573-471D-A6A4-D9AA28A81FAF.jpeg
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I brought him back to the Emergency vet, and they told me that his symptoms were a result of a systemic infection from his tooth, and that he would be fine until his surgery the next day.

Banxie continued to decline that night, and I stayed up with him counting his breaths and praying. In the morning, we rushed to the surgery center, where they immediately brought him back to triage and confirmed my worst fears. Banxie was in kidney failure and the incredibly kind vet told me that with IV fluids and hospitalization, we might have a 20% chance of pulling him through. We were getting him ready for the IV, and I was so relieved to finally be with a vet who seemed to understand and actually care, and then Banxie died in arms before he could even get it he IV:
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The vet said that he did not believe Banxie even had a tooth abscess to begin with, and that he likely didn’t need antibiotics. Apparently, they aren’t supposed to give Convenia without doing a culture first.

Now that I actually look at the drug safety sheet, I see that it clearly says that Convenia and anti-inflammatories can create adverse effects when used together. I also see that the correct does for Banxie’s weight should have been much lower.
See safety sheet here.
Banxie joined our family on my daughter’s third birthday, and he was there for us through her father’s hospitalizations, through every holiday, every skinned knee- Banxie was there. I am beyond devastated and hope that someone else can learn from my ignorance. I let down our best boy and my daughter’s childhood best friend. This pain is literally heart breaking— and all of this days before my daughter’s 13th birthday. I feel like the emergency vet killed my cat and I let him. I owed our boy so much better.

What could the eye swelling have been if not a tooth abscess? He didn’t have the hind-leg weakness, ataxia, or anorexia until he got the shots. I feel haunted and sick to my stomach.


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Sending love and light to all who are missing their furry loves tonight. ❤


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I am so sorry for your loss.
 

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Sadly, this is not obscure information about Convenia and is mentioned on many of the reliable veterinary websites. In #2 and #17 of this thread, I listed the contact information for Zoetis if you would like to file a report with them. It can also be reported to the FDA. I know that this does not bring Banxie back to you or your children and I am very sorry for his loss in such a traumatic way.
Thank you so much fionasmom fionasmom I will definitely reach out to them. I can’t believe how uninformed I was. I’m telling everyone I can about this. Thankful for this forum and people who understand- was starting to feel like I was going crazy. Thank you for writing to me. ❤
 

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Veterinarians are regulated by state and federal boards. They have to comply like human doctors.
they don’t have any regulations on cost, ins etc. , that is what I meant. And as far as being regulated, it is often a joke. I have tried on at least one occasion and know of other people who have tried to hold them accountable in some small way for things they did wrong, and nothing ever comes of it because the regulation boards in my state are all in bed with all of these other organizations, and the Dvm organizations. It’s the same situation with human hospitals too.
 

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For everyone who has lost a cat to this drug, my heart goes you. I want to thank you all for sharing your very painful stories. It's not easy to do - but I promise you will help someone else one day by sharing it. XOXO It was posts like this that I have no doubt saved one of mine the same fate.

My cat died last Friday from this evil injection combined with a anti inflammatory. I wish I had searched & found sites like this before I took Sophie to the vet. To anyone who needs information about Convenia I am trying to get the word out.

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Please don't beat yourself up. (Believe you me I know that's easier said than done.) but you were doing what you thought was best and listening to those who are supposed to know more.

It was a post like this that probably saved one of mine the same fate. Two Christmas's back WL had somehow taken her k-9 right to the gum. Clear off. The Doc, who I think is great BTW, poked her head in the exam room and said she would like to give her that shot. My reaction was immediate without a breath of hesitation.... "No we're not." She seemed surprised by that and gave me pills. The only reason I knew to do that was because of posts I read here.

I called the Dentist that I had seen before for another cats tooth issues. I was told not to give her the antibiotic pills at all based on the situation. He's a specialist that I trust and respect. So I very reluctantly listened. I kept watch for any sign of infection until we managed to get her to him and get her patched up.

Convenia was started as an antibiotic for cats because most people c as not give their cats pills. The vets don’t make allot of money off of it. It is expensive, but does cost the vets allot to buy it. The pharmaceutical companies are the ones making money. I think it is used way to much. If you have a feral cat that you aren’t going to see again after he is trapped and neutered, then I understand if the cat really needs it. Otherwise, vets should be teaching people how to give pills.

To the OP. I am truly sorry about your cat.
Bingo!

BH was given that shot when she was Feral. She had managed to get herself into a tussle (no surprise) and had a pretty nasty puncture wound on her leg. I had no idea until I read her chart - and it was before I read anything about it being bad. I can see why the vet chose it as she was living outside and the thought process of the vet I think was that I might not be able to pill her, or she didn't come daily - both were incorrect assumptions though.

I think the Vets should always ask all the questions, as well as make sure the risks are understood.

...Or better still only use it in ER situations.
 
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My cat died last Friday from this evil injection combined with a anti inflammatory. I wish I had searched & found sites like this before I took Sophie to the vet. To anyone who needs information about Convenia I am trying to get the word out.

Search Results for Query: Convenia
I am so sorry this happened, my heart breaks for you! I am grateful you shared this to save other cats! Thank you times 10000!
 

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Sorry for your loss. Terribly sad thread.

They wanted to give this to my nursing cat when she had an infection while she was nursing baby kittens! I refused after doing a quick google search and realizing there's no way to stop the treatment after it's been injected (sort of like those other jibby jabs people get that you can't unget once you get them). Instead I opted for the conventional antibiotic treatment. It's ridiculous that they would even suggest giving this to a nursing cat. I'm convinced it's all about the money.

You may not be aware of it but a lot of vet practices these days are actually bought out by private equity firms trying to get a ROI on their investment. They're not family owned or small businesses any more. You can google that too. A lot of them are owned by big corporations and investment firms. I realized this after a horrible experience at an urgent vet where they tried to shame/guilt me into holding my cats overnight at their facility for thousands of dollars, even though their blood/test results indicated nothing that would require the treatment they were pushing.
 

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They wanted to give this to my nursing cat when she had an infection while she was nursing baby kittens! I refused after doing a quick google search and realizing there's no way to stop the treatment after it's been injected (sort of like those other jibby jabs people get that you can't unget once you get them). Instead I opted for the conventional antibiotic treatment.
Curiously, what sort of infection did your cat have and what antibiotic did they end up giving you?
 

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Curiously, what sort of infection did your cat have and what antibiotic did they end up giving you?
They weren't sure, but she had signs of an infection, mainly a low grade fever. I took her to the vet initially because she had stopped eating and nursing her kittens, her ears were feeling hot and she was panting. At the vet they did xrays and bloodwork, and the only odd thing was she seemed like she hadn't pooped in a few days. I opted for the Clavamox, 1ml twice a day for 14 days. Her fever got better quite quickly, she stopped panting, pooped more regularly and fully regained her appetite in a couple days. I wrote about it here: Pregnant Cat with Ear Mites / panting when nursing etc
 
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