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Hello again! Just a little update that this evening Florie is doing a lot more hiding/hesitance, I think because we've sort of changed the routine and the gate setup. She didn't want to come out of her room this afternoon (our bedroom) where normally she comes busting out or at least walks out after a couple of minutes, and at supper time she wouldn't follow me back into her room/the hallway area and instead ran downstairs. I brought her meal downstairs and she ate heartily down there, so it isn't that she wasn't hungry. When I last checked, she was sleeping under the pullout bed in the basement.

So she's either unsettled from yesterday's encounter OR from the fact that our routine changed around today (with the new gate setup and different spaces and maybe even seeing Hawthorne a bit more in different ways).

I am going to see how she settles over the next day or two (recalling you told me that when you change something, sometimes there is a period of being unsettled) and then return to the evening sessions. I'd prefer her to be a bit more confident. Does that seem reasonable to you?

Hawthorne seems ok - the usual. :)
I am so sorry for not responding sooner.

"Hello again! Just a little update that this evening Florie is doing a lot more hiding/hesitance," - Ok

" I think because we've sort of changed the routine and the gate setup." - Possibly, let's see.

" She didn't want to come out of her room this afternoon (our bedroom) where normally she comes busting out or at least walks out after a couple of minutes," - Ok. Was it a cloudy day? Did she have a restless night before? Anything a little different other than the different setup?

"and at supper time she wouldn't follow me back into her room/the hallway area and instead ran downstairs." - Hmmmm, ok. Did she see him at all?

" I brought her meal downstairs and she ate heartily down there, so it isn't that she wasn't hungry." - Great

And he didn't chase her down there, correct?

" When I last checked, she was sleeping under the pullout bed in the basement." - Ok

"So she's either unsettled from yesterday's encounter" - Hmmmm, maybe but seems unlikely. It would have kicked in sooner I think.

" OR from the fact that our routine changed around today (with the new gate setup and different spaces and maybe even seeing Hawthorne a bit more in different ways)." - Possibly.

I am wondering if there was something else, weather, noise, etc.

"I am going to see how she settles over the next day or two (recalling you told me that when you change something, sometimes there is a period of being unsettled) and then return to the evening sessions." - Sounds fine.

" I'd prefer her to be a bit more confident. Does that seem reasonable to you?" - Absolutely. In fact, that is a great call on your part. I like your intuition.

"Hawthorne seems ok - the usual. :) " - Great

I think it was something specific to Florie and probably not Hawthorne. But what I am not sure. :/ But I am not sure anything she did is really a negative sign. More of a "different" sign.

Let's just see how she does and when she is a bit more herself you can resume.

Great job on holding and not forcing it!!!
 
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I am so sorry for not responding sooner.

"Hello again! Just a little update that this evening Florie is doing a lot more hiding/hesitance," - Ok

" I think because we've sort of changed the routine and the gate setup." - Possibly, let's see.

" She didn't want to come out of her room this afternoon (our bedroom) where normally she comes busting out or at least walks out after a couple of minutes," - Ok. Was it a cloudy day? Did she have a restless night before? Anything a little different other than the different setup?

"and at supper time she wouldn't follow me back into her room/the hallway area and instead ran downstairs." - Hmmmm, ok. Did she see him at all?

" I brought her meal downstairs and she ate heartily down there, so it isn't that she wasn't hungry." - Great

And he didn't chase her down there, correct?

" When I last checked, she was sleeping under the pullout bed in the basement." - Ok

"So she's either unsettled from yesterday's encounter" - Hmmmm, maybe but seems unlikely. It would have kicked in sooner I think.

" OR from the fact that our routine changed around today (with the new gate setup and different spaces and maybe even seeing Hawthorne a bit more in different ways)." - Possibly.

I am wondering if there was something else, weather, noise, etc.

"I am going to see how she settles over the next day or two (recalling you told me that when you change something, sometimes there is a period of being unsettled) and then return to the evening sessions." - Sounds fine.

" I'd prefer her to be a bit more confident. Does that seem reasonable to you?" - Absolutely. In fact, that is a great call on your part. I like your intuition.

"Hawthorne seems ok - the usual. :) " - Great

I think it was something specific to Florie and probably not Hawthorne. But what I am not sure. :/ But I am not sure anything she did is really a negative sign. More of a "different" sign.

Let's just see how she does and when she is a bit more herself you can resume.

Great job on holding and not forcing it!!!
Quick update and hello! We're all well over here. Florie is adjusting nicely to getting a bit more freedom (she gets to stay in the hallway territory in the morning when we wake up and the evening when we're getting ready for bed, instead of going into a closed room). I do still put her in the bedroom in the afternoon - easier for my workday. But she's doing good. She growls/etc at Hawthorne when she sees him through this gate or just sits back in the hallway and watches. He did charge the gate once when she came right up close to it but I think it was meant to be fun/it was a novelty to see her there and he couldn't resist. She has not come right up close to the gate again hahaha. But even though she ran away after he charged the gate (she ran down the hallway into our bedroom), her recovery was quick and she was peeking around out the bedroom door again soon.

Hawthorne is doing well - eating his meals and most of the time ignoring her at the new hallway gate or at least, paying more attention to his treats.

We haven't done any more face-to-face sessions and we have my stepkids this weekend, but I think we're on track to pick that up again next week.

I've received a final update I have to start going back to the office at the end of September, part-time, but we have a good setup with the gates such that she can have the hallway space when I'm at work and Hawthorne the main living space, and I think they'll both be perfectly happy with that. And safe too. She can't get out the wall of gates, ha. :)

So that's all I have. We're just playing it cool, with the aim of getting back to face-to-face on Monday.
 

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Quick update and hello! We're all well over here. Florie is adjusting nicely to getting a bit more freedom (she gets to stay in the hallway territory in the morning when we wake up and the evening when we're getting ready for bed, instead of going into a closed room). I do still put her in the bedroom in the afternoon - easier for my workday. But she's doing good. She growls/etc at Hawthorne when she sees him through this gate or just sits back in the hallway and watches. He did charge the gate once when she came right up close to it but I think it was meant to be fun/it was a novelty to see her there and he couldn't resist. She has not come right up close to the gate again hahaha. But even though she ran away after he charged the gate (she ran down the hallway into our bedroom), her recovery was quick and she was peeking around out the bedroom door again soon.

Hawthorne is doing well - eating his meals and most of the time ignoring her at the new hallway gate or at least, paying more attention to his treats.

We haven't done any more face-to-face sessions and we have my stepkids this weekend, but I think we're on track to pick that up again next week.

I've received a final update I have to start going back to the office at the end of September, part-time, but we have a good setup with the gates such that she can have the hallway space when I'm at work and Hawthorne the main living space, and I think they'll both be perfectly happy with that. And safe too. She can't get out the wall of gates, ha. :)

So that's all I have. We're just playing it cool, with the aim of getting back to face-to-face on Monday.
"Quick update and hello!" - Hello

" We're all well over here." - Great

"Florie is adjusting nicely to getting a bit more freedom (she gets to stay in the hallway territory in the morning when we wake up and the evening when we're getting ready for bed, instead of going into a closed room)." - TERRIFIC!!!

"I do still put her in the bedroom in the afternoon - easier for my workday. But she's doing good." - Ok, good.

" She growls/etc at Hawthorne when she sees him through this gate" - ;) That is her!!!

" or just sits back in the hallway and watches." - Awwwwwwwww

" He did charge the gate once when she came right up close to it but I think it was meant to be fun/it was a novelty to see her there and he couldn't resist." - Ok. Where was he? In the main area?

" She has not come right up close to the gate again hahaha." - Awwwwwwwwww

" But even though she ran away after he charged the gate (she ran down the hallway into our bedroom), her recovery was quick and she was peeking around out the bedroom door again soon." =- Great. The recovery is key in addition to no real negative encounter.

"Hawthorne is doing well - eating his meals" - Great

" and most of the time ignoring her at the new hallway gate or at least, paying more attention to his treats." - Really????? GREAT!!!! :clap2:

"We haven't done any more face-to-face sessions and we have my stepkids this weekend, but I think we're on track to pick that up again next week." - Ok, yes, I agree they are ready. :)

"I've received a final update I have to start going back to the office at the end of September, part-time," - :/ Ok. :/ ONly for you, I think the cats will be intro'd by then. :)

" but we have a good setup with the gates such that she can have the hallway space when I'm at work and Hawthorne the main living space, and I think they'll both be perfectly happy with that. And safe too. She can't get out the wall of gates, ha. :) " - Ok but I do think we can get them fully intro'd by then. They are so clooooooosssseeeeeee.

"So that's all I have. We're just playing it cool, with the aim of getting back to face-to-face on Monday. " - Sounds good.

I LOVE to hear he is ignoring her and focusing on his treats. Nice incremental positive!!! :)

Keep up the great work!!! :)
 
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"Quick update and hello!" - Hello

" We're all well over here." - Great

"Florie is adjusting nicely to getting a bit more freedom (she gets to stay in the hallway territory in the morning when we wake up and the evening when we're getting ready for bed, instead of going into a closed room)." - TERRIFIC!!!

"I do still put her in the bedroom in the afternoon - easier for my workday. But she's doing good." - Ok, good.

" She growls/etc at Hawthorne when she sees him through this gate" - ;) That is her!!!

" or just sits back in the hallway and watches." - Awwwwwwwww

" He did charge the gate once when she came right up close to it but I think it was meant to be fun/it was a novelty to see her there and he couldn't resist." - Ok. Where was he? In the main area?

" She has not come right up close to the gate again hahaha." - Awwwwwwwwww

" But even though she ran away after he charged the gate (she ran down the hallway into our bedroom), her recovery was quick and she was peeking around out the bedroom door again soon." =- Great. The recovery is key in addition to no real negative encounter.

"Hawthorne is doing well - eating his meals" - Great

" and most of the time ignoring her at the new hallway gate or at least, paying more attention to his treats." - Really????? GREAT!!!! :clap2:

"We haven't done any more face-to-face sessions and we have my stepkids this weekend, but I think we're on track to pick that up again next week." - Ok, yes, I agree they are ready. :)

"I've received a final update I have to start going back to the office at the end of September, part-time," - :/ Ok. :/ ONly for you, I think the cats will be intro'd by then. :)

" but we have a good setup with the gates such that she can have the hallway space when I'm at work and Hawthorne the main living space, and I think they'll both be perfectly happy with that. And safe too. She can't get out the wall of gates, ha. :) " - Ok but I do think we can get them fully intro'd by then. They are so clooooooosssseeeeeee.

"So that's all I have. We're just playing it cool, with the aim of getting back to face-to-face on Monday. " - Sounds good.

I LOVE to hear he is ignoring her and focusing on his treats. Nice incremental positive!!! :)

Keep up the great work!!! :)
Hello there!! A quick update for this week - nothing new to report. I had a health issue last week and had to go to the hospital so I confess I've just let the cats be this week - just interactions through the gates. But, we are increasingly using the 'wall of gates' to divide the main living space from the hallway/bedrooms and that is going really well. Hawthorne is curious to see her in the morning when we come out of the bedroom and sometimes chirps, but then he follows me around and does his thing. She watches while I make breakfast and then they eat together at the gate. Then they both leave and go about their business. So far, knock on wood, neither has any interest in sneaking through the gate or anything like that. I feel the level of ignoring is getting even higher, which is good.

The other night they both lay near the gate, watching each other. He lay and did a kind of roll with some chirps (I think maybe he wanted her to play), and she lay there growling - both on their sides in that relaxed posture. But I thought (this is the kind of thinking you've taught me to do), they obviously don't hate each other if they're both voluntarily lying there!

He sometimes can still be a little fixated on her (through the gate) when she's playing or running or he first sees her in the morning, but he really is quite easily distracted. She still growls, but heck - that's her. I think he'll still want to chase her/have some fun (when they are together with no gates), but he does not seem like a cat who wants to eliminate her at all. I know we knew this, but it's nice to have it reinforced.

So I'm happy - it feels calm. Once I figure out this health issue, we'll go back to face-to-face again and finish this damn thing off, hahahah! :) But for now, the cats seem good with our routine - Florie loves sleeping in our bedroom and is in there all the time; Hawthorne has learned to sleep on her cat tree (took him 9 months to get the confidence, hahaha) - they seem content.

I hope you are well too! :)
 

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Hello there!! A quick update for this week - nothing new to report. I had a health issue last week and had to go to the hospital so I confess I've just let the cats be this week - just interactions through the gates. But, we are increasingly using the 'wall of gates' to divide the main living space from the hallway/bedrooms and that is going really well. Hawthorne is curious to see her in the morning when we come out of the bedroom and sometimes chirps, but then he follows me around and does his thing. She watches while I make breakfast and then they eat together at the gate. Then they both leave and go about their business. So far, knock on wood, neither has any interest in sneaking through the gate or anything like that. I feel the level of ignoring is getting even higher, which is good.

The other night they both lay near the gate, watching each other. He lay and did a kind of roll with some chirps (I think maybe he wanted her to play), and she lay there growling - both on their sides in that relaxed posture. But I thought (this is the kind of thinking you've taught me to do), they obviously don't hate each other if they're both voluntarily lying there!

He sometimes can still be a little fixated on her (through the gate) when she's playing or running or he first sees her in the morning, but he really is quite easily distracted. She still growls, but heck - that's her. I think he'll still want to chase her/have some fun (when they are together with no gates), but he does not seem like a cat who wants to eliminate her at all. I know we knew this, but it's nice to have it reinforced.

So I'm happy - it feels calm. Once I figure out this health issue, we'll go back to face-to-face again and finish this damn thing off, hahahah! :) But for now, the cats seem good with our routine - Florie loves sleeping in our bedroom and is in there all the time; Hawthorne has learned to sleep on her cat tree (took him 9 months to get the confidence, hahaha) - they seem content.

I hope you are well too! :)
"Hello there!! A quick update for this week - nothing new to report. " - Hello. Ok.

"I had a health issue last week and had to go to the hospital" - Oh my, I hope you are well or on the path to being well. Hang in there!!!

" so I confess I've just let the cats be this week - just interactions through the gates." - Ok, that is fine. Sometimes a little hands off can actually help.

"But, we are increasingly using the 'wall of gates' to divide the main living space from the hallway/bedrooms and that is going really well." - Ok, good.

" Hawthorne is curious to see her in the morning when we come out of the bedroom and sometimes chirps," - Really, well THAT is progress!!! A positive!!!

"but then he follows me around and does his thing." - GREAT!!!

" She watches while I make breakfast and then they eat together at the gate. Then they both leave and go about their business." - Amazing!!! This is great!!!

"So far, knock on wood, neither has any interest in sneaking through the gate or anything like that. " - Great. :)

"I feel the level of ignoring is getting even higher, which is good." - THAT is what I like to hear!!! :)

"The other night they both lay near the gate, watching each other." - Great, did they look comfortable?

" He lay and did a kind of roll with some chirps (I think maybe he wanted her to play)," - FANTASTIC!!!! Sounds like he is accepting her AND wanting to be closer!!! :)

" and she lay there growling " - Awwwwwww, wouldn't she?????? ;)

"- both on their sides in that relaxed posture." - PERFECT!!!

"But I thought (this is the kind of thinking you've taught me to do), they obviously don't hate each other if they're both voluntarily lying there!" - EXACTLY!!!!! :) And actually it is better, they are accepting each other!!!

"He sometimes can still be a little fixated on her (through the gate) when she's playing or running or he first sees her in the morning," - He would be, that make sense. She is a novelty and a potential playmate.

"but he really is quite easily distracted." - THAT is the key!!! That is the sign that she is not viewed as a threat, etc because he would not turn his back (or any cat) on a potential threat.

"She still growls, but heck - that's her." - EXACTLY!!! And he tells us he is fine which is what is most important. If he thought it wasn't fine he would be acting totally different.

"I think he'll still want to chase her/have some fun (when they are together with no gates), " - Maybe at times.

"but he does not seem like a cat who wants to eliminate her at all. I know we knew this, but it's nice to have it reinforced." - YES and agreed!!! :)

"So I'm happy - it feels calm. " - Great, yes.

"Once I figure out this health issue, we'll go back to face-to-face again and finish this damn thing off, hahahah! :) " - Yes, focus on yourself and get well soon!!! The cats are going to be fine.

"But for now, the cats seem good with our routine - Florie loves sleeping in our bedroom and is in there all the time; Hawthorne has learned to sleep on her cat tree (took him 9 months to get the confidence, hahaha) - they seem content." - That sounds fantastic.

I wonder if maybe we got to the tipping point. They have been so close, we just need that lightswitch moment. :)

"I hope you are well too! :) " - Thank you, doing ok. Get well soon!!!! Then keep up the great work and just love them and enjoy them. They are doing great!!! :)
 
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"Hello there!! A quick update for this week - nothing new to report. " - Hello. Ok.

"I had a health issue last week and had to go to the hospital" - Oh my, I hope you are well or on the path to being well. Hang in there!!!

" so I confess I've just let the cats be this week - just interactions through the gates." - Ok, that is fine. Sometimes a little hands off can actually help.

"But, we are increasingly using the 'wall of gates' to divide the main living space from the hallway/bedrooms and that is going really well." - Ok, good.

" Hawthorne is curious to see her in the morning when we come out of the bedroom and sometimes chirps," - Really, well THAT is progress!!! A positive!!!

"but then he follows me around and does his thing." - GREAT!!!

" She watches while I make breakfast and then they eat together at the gate. Then they both leave and go about their business." - Amazing!!! This is great!!!

"So far, knock on wood, neither has any interest in sneaking through the gate or anything like that. " - Great. :)

"I feel the level of ignoring is getting even higher, which is good." - THAT is what I like to hear!!! :)

"The other night they both lay near the gate, watching each other." - Great, did they look comfortable?

" He lay and did a kind of roll with some chirps (I think maybe he wanted her to play)," - FANTASTIC!!!! Sounds like he is accepting her AND wanting to be closer!!! :)

" and she lay there growling " - Awwwwwww, wouldn't she?????? ;)

"- both on their sides in that relaxed posture." - PERFECT!!!

"But I thought (this is the kind of thinking you've taught me to do), they obviously don't hate each other if they're both voluntarily lying there!" - EXACTLY!!!!! :) And actually it is better, they are accepting each other!!!

"He sometimes can still be a little fixated on her (through the gate) when she's playing or running or he first sees her in the morning," - He would be, that make sense. She is a novelty and a potential playmate.

"but he really is quite easily distracted." - THAT is the key!!! That is the sign that she is not viewed as a threat, etc because he would not turn his back (or any cat) on a potential threat.

"She still growls, but heck - that's her." - EXACTLY!!! And he tells us he is fine which is what is most important. If he thought it wasn't fine he would be acting totally different.

"I think he'll still want to chase her/have some fun (when they are together with no gates), " - Maybe at times.

"but he does not seem like a cat who wants to eliminate her at all. I know we knew this, but it's nice to have it reinforced." - YES and agreed!!! :)

"So I'm happy - it feels calm. " - Great, yes.

"Once I figure out this health issue, we'll go back to face-to-face again and finish this damn thing off, hahahah! :) " - Yes, focus on yourself and get well soon!!! The cats are going to be fine.

"But for now, the cats seem good with our routine - Florie loves sleeping in our bedroom and is in there all the time; Hawthorne has learned to sleep on her cat tree (took him 9 months to get the confidence, hahaha) - they seem content." - That sounds fantastic.

I wonder if maybe we got to the tipping point. They have been so close, we just need that lightswitch moment. :)

"I hope you are well too! :) " - Thank you, doing ok. Get well soon!!!! Then keep up the great work and just love them and enjoy them. They are doing great!!! :)
Hello there! Just letting you know we are well here and still alive, hahaha. :) It's been a busy couple of weeks, and now I'm actually also in the process of changing jobs - well, finishing up at one and then starting at the new job in mid-October. So between the jobs and the health stuff, it's been a bit overwhelming, but we're making it through! :)

The cats, for their part, haven't had any more face-to-face time in terms of being in the same room together, but we are now almost at the point where it's the wall of gates in the hallway that is the only thing separating them, including at night. We now leave the door open for Florie and she can leave the room if she wants overnight (with the gates in place), although to be honest she stays in the room with us anyways. The only time there is a closed door is in the afternoon (Florie in our bedroom, Hawthorne out), and that's simply because it's easier for me in the workday.

They are eating nice and close together at the gates - maybe two or three feet. Occasionally she gets into a fierce mood and will come right up to the gate and growl or stare at him. Sometimes he takes the bait and goes up to the gate and we have a little swat/interaction. Sometimes she holds her own and he leaves. Sometimes she runs away and he does his snorts and then he leaves. Sometimes he doesn't take the bait and he looks at me and I say "it's ok, it's ok" and he goes to lie down somewhere else. So they definitely have the capacity to just ignore each other.

He can sometimes still be activated when she suddenly appears in the hallway, like, in the evening when she's decided she wants to come out and she marches into the hallway and sits there waiting. He might chirp and make his frustrated noise, but I think he wants to get at her to play or investigate.

I'm going to say most of the time, he ignores her or can be encouraged to leave the gate. She still sometimes gets it into her mind to stare and growl at him, for a reason I can't discern, but, he seems 95% of the time to be fine with it.

I've also discovered she likes to be chased. Sometimes when she's in a zoomy mood I creep up on her and she flies off and then looks behind to see if I'm coming. Then I creep up again and she zooms off to another spot. So I'm maintaining hope if they can build enough trust, Hawthorne can chase her and she'll enjoy it, hahah. :)

So for now, we're just letting them live through the wall of gates, with ongoing territory switching. I'm making it a point to start next week again, with face-to-face. I remember Graham18 Graham18 saying he saw improvement once there was more gates and less closed doors, and I'm inclined to agree. Makes them feel more like it's their regular life too, aside from the shuffling territories. But they each generally have more freedom.

That's all! Just wanted to check in and assure you we haven't forgotten about the cat intros and the process. :) Hope you are keeping well! :)
 
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I guess really this is the same as my last update!! :) But it shows we aren't going backwards. :)
 

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Hello there! Just letting you know we are well here and still alive, hahaha. :) It's been a busy couple of weeks, and now I'm actually also in the process of changing jobs - well, finishing up at one and then starting at the new job in mid-October. So between the jobs and the health stuff, it's been a bit overwhelming, but we're making it through! :)

The cats, for their part, haven't had any more face-to-face time in terms of being in the same room together, but we are now almost at the point where it's the wall of gates in the hallway that is the only thing separating them, including at night. We now leave the door open for Florie and she can leave the room if she wants overnight (with the gates in place), although to be honest she stays in the room with us anyways. The only time there is a closed door is in the afternoon (Florie in our bedroom, Hawthorne out), and that's simply because it's easier for me in the workday.

They are eating nice and close together at the gates - maybe two or three feet. Occasionally she gets into a fierce mood and will come right up to the gate and growl or stare at him. Sometimes he takes the bait and goes up to the gate and we have a little swat/interaction. Sometimes she holds her own and he leaves. Sometimes she runs away and he does his snorts and then he leaves. Sometimes he doesn't take the bait and he looks at me and I say "it's ok, it's ok" and he goes to lie down somewhere else. So they definitely have the capacity to just ignore each other.

He can sometimes still be activated when she suddenly appears in the hallway, like, in the evening when she's decided she wants to come out and she marches into the hallway and sits there waiting. He might chirp and make his frustrated noise, but I think he wants to get at her to play or investigate.

I'm going to say most of the time, he ignores her or can be encouraged to leave the gate. She still sometimes gets it into her mind to stare and growl at him, for a reason I can't discern, but, he seems 95% of the time to be fine with it.

I've also discovered she likes to be chased. Sometimes when she's in a zoomy mood I creep up on her and she flies off and then looks behind to see if I'm coming. Then I creep up again and she zooms off to another spot. So I'm maintaining hope if they can build enough trust, Hawthorne can chase her and she'll enjoy it, hahah. :)

So for now, we're just letting them live through the wall of gates, with ongoing territory switching. I'm making it a point to start next week again, with face-to-face. I remember Graham18 Graham18 saying he saw improvement once there was more gates and less closed doors, and I'm inclined to agree. Makes them feel more like it's their regular life too, aside from the shuffling territories. But they each generally have more freedom.

That's all! Just wanted to check in and assure you we haven't forgotten about the cat intros and the process. :) Hope you are keeping well! :)
Fluffy also makes snort sounds and frustrated chirps and grunts when Sapphire ignores him haha too cute!
 
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Fluffy also makes snort sounds and frustrated chirps and grunts when Sapphire ignores him haha too cute!
That's hilarious! We really do have the same cat personalities, just in different cat bodies.
 

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Hello there! Just letting you know we are well here and still alive, hahaha. :) It's been a busy couple of weeks, and now I'm actually also in the process of changing jobs - well, finishing up at one and then starting at the new job in mid-October. So between the jobs and the health stuff, it's been a bit overwhelming, but we're making it through! :)

The cats, for their part, haven't had any more face-to-face time in terms of being in the same room together, but we are now almost at the point where it's the wall of gates in the hallway that is the only thing separating them, including at night. We now leave the door open for Florie and she can leave the room if she wants overnight (with the gates in place), although to be honest she stays in the room with us anyways. The only time there is a closed door is in the afternoon (Florie in our bedroom, Hawthorne out), and that's simply because it's easier for me in the workday.

They are eating nice and close together at the gates - maybe two or three feet. Occasionally she gets into a fierce mood and will come right up to the gate and growl or stare at him. Sometimes he takes the bait and goes up to the gate and we have a little swat/interaction. Sometimes she holds her own and he leaves. Sometimes she runs away and he does his snorts and then he leaves. Sometimes he doesn't take the bait and he looks at me and I say "it's ok, it's ok" and he goes to lie down somewhere else. So they definitely have the capacity to just ignore each other.

He can sometimes still be activated when she suddenly appears in the hallway, like, in the evening when she's decided she wants to come out and she marches into the hallway and sits there waiting. He might chirp and make his frustrated noise, but I think he wants to get at her to play or investigate.

I'm going to say most of the time, he ignores her or can be encouraged to leave the gate. She still sometimes gets it into her mind to stare and growl at him, for a reason I can't discern, but, he seems 95% of the time to be fine with it.

I've also discovered she likes to be chased. Sometimes when she's in a zoomy mood I creep up on her and she flies off and then looks behind to see if I'm coming. Then I creep up again and she zooms off to another spot. So I'm maintaining hope if they can build enough trust, Hawthorne can chase her and she'll enjoy it, hahah. :)

So for now, we're just letting them live through the wall of gates, with ongoing territory switching. I'm making it a point to start next week again, with face-to-face. I remember Graham18 Graham18 saying he saw improvement once there was more gates and less closed doors, and I'm inclined to agree. Makes them feel more like it's their regular life too, aside from the shuffling territories. But they each generally have more freedom.

That's all! Just wanted to check in and assure you we haven't forgotten about the cat intros and the process. :) Hope you are keeping well! :)
"Hello there! Just letting you know we are well here and still alive, hahaha. :) " - Great to hear from you. I was a bit worried because of the health scare.

"It's been a busy couple of weeks, and now I'm actually also in the process of changing jobs - well, finishing up at one and then starting at the new job in mid-October. So between the jobs and the health stuff, it's been a bit overwhelming, but we're making it through! :) " - Oh my, congratulations on the new job. I hope you LOVE it!!!

"The cats, for their part, haven't had any more face-to-face time in terms of being in the same room together," - Ok, understandable.

" but we are now almost at the point where it's the wall of gates in the hallway that is the only thing separating them, including at night." - Great.

" We now leave the door open for Florie and she can leave the room if she wants overnight (with the gates in place), although to be honest she stays in the room with us anyways. " - Perfect

"The only time there is a closed door is in the afternoon (Florie in our bedroom, Hawthorne out), and that's simply because it's easier for me in the workday." - Ok

"They are eating nice and close together at the gates - maybe two or three feet." - Perfect

" Occasionally she gets into a fierce mood and will come right up to the gate and growl or stare at him." - Awwwwwwwww


" Sometimes he takes the bait and goes up to the gate and we have a little swat/interaction. Sometimes she holds her own and he leaves." - Awwwwwwww

" Sometimes she runs away and he does his snorts and then he leaves. " - Awwwwwwww

Sounds like they want to play (both of them!!!). GREAT!!!

"Sometimes he doesn't take the bait and he looks at me and I say "it's ok, it's ok" and he goes to lie down somewhere else." - PERFECT!!! GREAT job in reassuring him!!! That tells me he is totally fine with her. :)

" So they definitely have the capacity to just ignore each other." - Totally. And when they don't it has no bad intent. I am convinced of that.

"He can sometimes still be activated when she suddenly appears in the hallway, like, in the evening when she's decided she wants to come out and she marches into the hallway and sits there waiting." - Yes, normal.

" He might chirp and make his frustrated noise, but I think he wants to get at her to play or investigate." - Exactly. I think they want to take it to the next level.

"I'm going to say most of the time, he ignores her or can be encouraged to leave the gate." - Perfect

" She still sometimes gets it into her mind to stare and growl at him, for a reason I can't discern," - To instigate maybe. Have some fun, get a reaction, some drama. IF she was fearful she would not be there.

"but, he seems 95% of the time to be fine with it." - He understands her. :) Supports my view that she is not "hating" him, etc.

"I've also discovered she likes to be chased." - Awwwww, some of them do. Two of my girls sure do.

" Sometimes when she's in a zoomy mood I creep up on her and she flies off and then looks behind to see if I'm coming. Then I creep up again and she zooms off to another spot." Awwwww, yep. So cute!!!

"So I'm maintaining hope if they can build enough trust, Hawthorne can chase her and she'll enjoy it, hahah. :) " - Totally. I think that will happen.

"So for now, we're just letting them live through the wall of gates, with ongoing territory switching. I'm making it a point to start next week again, with face-to-face." - Ok, great. They are ready for face to face and get fully intro'd.

" I remember Graham18 Graham18 Graham18 Graham18 saying he saw improvement once there was more gates and less closed doors," - Exactly. Often when we show them everything is ok they realize "everything is ok".

" and I'm inclined to agree." - I totally agree. (OF course, when they have the base of trust built).

"Makes them feel more like it's their regular life too, aside from the shuffling territories. But they each generally have more freedom." - Exactly and they can feel that ownership of the territory and get that confidence. And a confident cat is more likely to accept and be accepted.

"That's all!" - All???? New job, etc. Hahahaha. Congratulations on the new job, I hope you are feeling better and great job with the cats.

"Just wanted to check in and assure you we haven't forgotten about the cat intros and the process. :) Hope you are keeping well! :) " - Wonderful to hear from you. I hope you are well and if not get well soon. The cats will be fine and good luck on the new job!!

Always here for you. Keep up the great work. They are doing great it sounds.
 
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