stand with ukraine
- Jan 31, 2014
Sure. Anytime. We have to celebrate the small victories...around cats...because other days...they will lead us to question, "huh? why?...just why?".. .It's all in the fun of living with these small amazing creatures. They totally make life, ...way more interesting...and eventually peaceful and relaxing, too.
Oh, and you also rock, too. ...along with Baguette and Freddie...of course.
The cats are the stars of the show...us humans are just along for the adventure.
Yes, I also had to watch it at the slowest setting to actually see stuff that I missed, too.Yes it does seem like Freddie really likes to nip Baguette! I didn't realize that was happening until I rewatched the video at the slowest setting. Is that a normal type of move in cat play? I also wonder if her hormones are also still present, but winding down, and it's some kind of mating behavior? It's been about 6 weeks since she was spayed now. Either way like you said, she's gonna teach him to stop
I think you are right...and that Baguette's Scent might still be giving off some mating pheromones...but that they are winding down.
Right in the beginning of the video...Freddie still looks 'slightly activated' by her Scent. (I think you used the word, 'activated' before,..and it's so appropriate...in what we are seeing.)
Biting does happen a lot when kittens are playing.
They learn from each other...when the biting gets to be too rough or painful...they definitely cry out, growl, hiss, yowl...and the playfight becomes a bit more intense...but usually it does end...since each cat does not want to get hurt...but rather..play again some more...later on.
With mating...I'm not too sure...since I always thought that the male bites the female on the top of the neck/scruff..and holds her there...so I don't really know why he would want to bite the flank...or body.
Some more things that I noticed in the video:
0:07 mark...we see Baggie's paw on top of the couch. I find that so cute...since it looks like they are playing a game of paws, there.
0:14 mark...he either goes in...to bite at her...or sniff her...but whatever he does...it totally annoys and aggravates Baguette...so it looks like she uses...her left paw...to backhand his face. (I'm not sure why...but that backhand paw move...is thoroughly interesting to me...since I don't know if I've seen that before. Because cat strikes are so fast...I always thought they were full paw out...with claws...but that one did not look like that. anyhow, it was just interesting to see...that it was a backhand paw move.)
Freddie does use his left paw..and seems to clip her on the ear. But she gets him back, by a paw to his arm.
At the 0:20 mark....it looks like he goes to bite her again.
Bad move...since she has enough. She swipes him with her paw
0:21 mark...it looks like Baggie yells at him, hisses, ears flat...she moves back.
0:24 mark...Baggie is still so angry...but Freddie looks away.
What is amazing about this part...is that if Baguette really wanted to ...she could have attacked Freddie...right there when he looked away...but she does not.
At 0:30 mark ...Freddie goes away...and at 0:31 mark...we see Baggie's ear pop back up.
0:32 mark...Freddie looks to come back and look at her...but decides to approach from a bit further away.
Then he just kind of moves away. And he totally listens to your voice at the 0:39 mark.
I totally missed the part where you gave Baguette some treats, too.
That was really good.
My favourite part of the video...is at 1:08 mark...where Baguette is seen peeking up from the back of the couch...and licking her lips.
That's my all time favorite.
I just love the look that she gives Freddie with her eyes.
I have no idea what that look is...but it does look like she's telling him..."yeah, I'm watching you."..."don't think you're getting all the treats, big guy".
(Remember, too,...that these are merely seconds...taken out of the big picture...of how they're interactions went.
Focusing on these seconds ...might not even be too fair...for our cats...because I think you are right...that cats don't see fighting...or actual playfighting ...quite the same way that humans do.
But I do believe that what happens afterwards...and how the cats act afterwards....that tells us a lot of how they are feeling.
Somehow, I also find by looking at the videos closely...it spurs some more ideas...that we might not really have noticed...if we just did an overview. (Idk...maybe that's just me...but I enjoy the break down, analysis. I find cat behaviour quite interesting.)
How the cats regroup, unwind, relax...time it takes them to relax...and how...differently they act around each other...after each time they meet...or play again.
Play can easily turn into aggressive play-fights...and even real fights...but I think it matters...on the levels of aggression...that are seen,...so that you can try to find ways ...to implement less intensity...and less aggression ...in their play...with each other.
Finding ways to do this, is the difficult part.
Usually it's always through...more individual Play, Distraction, Food/treats....interactive toys, mental stimulation with food puzzles...and some members even do 'clicker training'...to keep their cat's mind's stimulated...so more cat energy is released.
Not sure if I linked to this website...on food puzzles...but some are very easy to try...and make yourself.
Homemade Puzzles - Food Puzzles for Cats
(my cats are not too keen or smart on some of the ones I've tried...or maybe on second thought...they are ultra smart...and just want me to constantly be showing them ...how to get the treat out of the diy container. haha. I can just see my cats laughing inwardly at me. lol.)
I love your questions...because they really bring out both the 'theory' and the 'practicality'...of the things we all have read about.So, I do have one question about escape routes: is an escape route a "highway" for the cat to escape on, or rather a safe "destination"?
I ask because when Baguette is afraid of something or Freddie lunges at her, her go-to spot/trajectory is usually under the bed. And I have feeling that she might end up cornered there in the future because she chooses to go there instead of up her cat tree for example. idk she might surprise me but...just curious if that is acceptable as an "escape route" or "escape destination"?
For escape routes...they totally are the paths that a cat takes to 'escape' from another cat...and it could be anything really...from walking on chairs, under chairs, around plants, obstacles, boxes, those tunnel toys, side tables, around furniture, up and over furniture,...really basically any route...that gives a cat quick access...to run to another place.
But yes, you are right...it's still useful for a cat to have an 'escape destination'.
I always seem to think of the 'destination'...as an actual 'safe room' ...or 'safe space'....which is away from the other cat...and allows the cat to thoroughly relax.
I don't see anything wrong with cats who want to run under beds...and feel safe there...since their backs are still protected...and the approaching cat will have to choose one entry point...while the cat underneath the bed could defend it's position and herself..but could also choose to run and hide, too.
(If the bed is up against a wall, then it might be a bit harder to escape from...when underneath...but it's still a good position to defend from...since the approaching cat...has to enter face first.)
I think the basic idea is just to not have any spaces...where things are blocked off...where there is only one way to exit...for a cat.
(But really my cats...especially Tepaul...puts herself into corners all the time. She just backs up into them, and then defends herself, from there. Then she gets really loud, vocal, and watches for a split second chance to run by Tripp. If she does it while running into the room I am in...then she kind of knows that I will get up...and move towards Tripp, clap my hands...or throw a pillow in their general direction to break them up. Tripp has learned that he has to back down and run away, at this point.)
I think your Freddie will learn things from the cues you do, too. Clapping, saying "noo and his/her name", throwing a toy, pillow, whatever is at hand...is good, too.
I don't think you necessarily need cat shelving or a 'cat superhighway'.Also I live in a one bedroom apartment, and I have one cat tree in the living room and one in the bedroom (Baggie's room), but I don't have cat shelving or a "cat superhighway" where they have an elevated "circuit" necessarily.
I probably need to check with my landlord about installing shelves...but I'm curious if you have thoughts around other catification or escape route tips I might be able to set up as a renter. It seems like Baguette might be more of a "low to the ground cat" anyway so I definitely want to makes sure she has escape accommodations...or maybe hiding under the bed is fine...!
Your furniture, chairs, plants, beanbag chair...and any other side tables ...are easily accessible to the cats.
Anything really that slows down one cat...from full on pursuing another cat...is a good option.
Since you rent...then maybe looking into those modular shelving units or cube shelves...like they used to sell at ikea, perhaps homedepot, or even walmart...would be okay.
Cubbies and Cube Storage - Cube Storage - Storage & Organization - The Home Depot
Members have also used plastic milk crates, or wooden wine crates,...and glued remnant carpet pieces to them...and even made their own play trees from boxes, too.
Re-purposing old furniture...might also be useful...if you are into DIY.
(If you can make a side table using 2x4s, some flat wood for the top, and drills, screws, and place it in front of their favorite window perches...then this may be suitable spots for the cats to sleep on, too.)
Though, I think those window sill perches...shown...at the end of your video...look to be perfect, in every way already.
Both cats look very relaxed and comfy.
Maybe you should create another thread...specifically asking about
"renter friendly 'catification' ideas for apartments".
I'm sure that other members would have way more ideas than I've come up with.