That is simply Tear Staining, common in Persians, and actually also in many white dogs, like the Maltese for example.
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That is simply Tear Staining, common in Persians, and actually also in many white dogs, like the Maltese for example.
Um, I realize its tear staining, I do have catsOriginally Posted by carolinalima
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That is simply Tear Staining, common in Persians, and actually also in many white dogs, like the Maltese for example.
With my cats tear staining is a sign to go to the vets to get it checked out.
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Christine
Christine, if you want to accept this or not, it is your choice - as said many times before, by different members this is not a sign of bad health - this is tears staining that is typical to PERSIANS. You do not have Persian cats nor you need to, so just stay away from them.Originally Posted by cjh27
Um, I realize its tear staining, I do have cats, but why should tear staining be normal? What is causing this tear staining? How can this be normal or common in any type of cat? An eye simply shouldn't be tearing that much!
With my cats tear staining is a sign to go to the vets to get it checked out.
regards,
Christine
There is a reason why they are one of the most popular breeds IN THE WORLD, and #1 breed in the USA. If that was a sign of bad health, do you think this would be the case? I think not
Tear staining is simply a cosmetic issue on Persians. That is all, if you want it or not, that is reality.
If your cat, who is not a Persian suddenly has a lot of discharge from his eyes, then yes, go see a vet because that is not normal for your cat.
Tear Staining is normal on Persians, and can be noticed much more on white persians. Period..
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I have a boy who chews whiskers off kittens and adults, I've seen other adults with chewed whiskers too so it does happen
OK, but then please also accept my oppinion that this can not be good for persian cats in general. I do NOT think this should be seen as something normal just because it is common. In my opinion there is no need to breed cats with constantly tearing eyes, breeding should be about improving cats!Originally Posted by carolinalima
Christine, if you want to accept this or not, it is your choice - as said many times before, by different members this is not a sign of bad health - this is tears staining that is typical to PERSIANS. You do not have Persian cats nor you need to, so just stay away from them.
There is a reason why they are one of the most popular breeds IN THE WORLD, and #1 breed in the USA. If that was a sign of bad health, do you think this would be the case? I think not
Tear staining is simply a cosmetic issue on Persians. That is all, if you want it or not, that is reality.
If your cat, who is not a Persian suddenly has a lot of discharge from his eyes, then yes, go see a vet because that is not normal for your cat.
Tear Staining is normal on Persians, and can be noticed much more on white persians. Period..
regards,
christine
Sphynx were not bred not to have whiskers.
It is a natural mutation.
Having no whiskers does not effect them at all.
Some sphynx will grow little whiskers that curl up.
They do not grow normal whiskers like other cats.
Here is the sphynx breed profile.
http://www.cfa.org/breeds/profiles/sphynx.html
It is a natural mutation.
Having no whiskers does not effect them at all.
Some sphynx will grow little whiskers that curl up.
They do not grow normal whiskers like other cats.
Here is the sphynx breed profile.
http://www.cfa.org/breeds/profiles/sphynx.html
Unless you are interested in working with the breeds, its really not right or fair to critisize what is normal on certain breeds. No one said you have to own one you don't like.
I don't own Persians for the simple reason that I can't stand to have to comb them every day (a requirement if you own a long hair). But to say "a Persian shouldn't have a long coat cause it gets matted too much, is silly".
I don't own Persians for the simple reason that I can't stand to have to comb them every day (a requirement if you own a long hair). But to say "a Persian shouldn't have a long coat cause it gets matted too much, is silly".
Hi,
I love cats and am interested in cats in general. I don't think its fair to tell people they are not allowed to be critical and ask questions about breeds or breeding practices.
You don't have to like my oppinions, but please don't tell me I'm not entitled to them.
regards,
Christine
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Wow, we are really off topic here!
I've never heard of a cat passing away due to their bald whisker pads or stained under-eye area. In my opinion, we're talking about cosmetic issues and not health issues. Health issues imply something chronically debilitating.
I've never heard of a cat passing away due to their bald whisker pads or stained under-eye area. In my opinion, we're talking about cosmetic issues and not health issues. Health issues imply something chronically debilitating.
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Ferris I do love your Maus.
That sphynx is nice and she beat Wrinkles in every ring last week except the last ring and that was only because Dee Dee left before that ring was judged.
That sphynx is nice and she beat Wrinkles in every ring last week except the last ring and that was only because Dee Dee left before that ring was judged.
Like I said Christine cats usually (maybe I should have used the word often) bite each others whiskers off. I've got an 18 month old that bites her 12 month old sisters whiskers.
Sorry about being OT. I just don't like it when someone shares an interesting link for the breeders/showers alike and then someone says that people who are breeding sphynx are practicing cruelty - that's bound to get peoples backs up. Likewise the White Persians.
Yes you are entitled to think that the Sphynx breeders and the Persian breeders (like me) are being "cruel" and breeding unhealthy animals. Just as WE are entitled to disagree with you and be defensive about the breeds we are passionate about and have spent 1,000's of dollars on.
You really made me mad.
How can you post bs about sphynx when you do not know the breed.
Ferris sorry for being ot also.
I will stick up for my breed of cat.
How can you post bs about sphynx when you do not know the breed.
Ferris sorry for being ot also.
I will stick up for my breed of cat.
Oh my, that shaded persian with a huge paw is just adorable!
Really? Have you ever heard of the breed called German Rex?
On topic - My HHP was judged by that man in the blue shirt. He gave us a 2nd Best.
I have 3 cats and they have broken/chewed off whiskers a lot of the time. No harm done, just caused by playing and grooming one another.
As someone who has owned several Persians, the tear staining is very normal. Due to the shape of their skull the eyes tend to drain externally. There is no health issue with tear staining.
Yes, I know this breed. They too are seen as a form of animal cruilty by many, but as none was on the photos of this particular cat show I didn't mention them. They too have issues with their whiskers.
And yes, Sphynx cats are also bred in Germany, but that doesn't mean its OK to breed cats that do not have their whiskers as sensors. Whiskers aren't just some sort of whim of mother nature, they serve a purpose.
Thank you for answering my question. So why breed with such a skull shape in the first place?
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http://www.pictures-of-cats.org/Clog...-of-a-Cat.html
"If the tear duct is defective it is not clogged. I know of only one case where the tear duct of a cat is inherently defective through breeding and that is in the flat faced Persian cat and the Himalayan cat (a pointed Persian cat). Tear duct overflow in these cats is a medical condition brought about by irresponsible breeding. These cat breeds should not have been brought into existence. The doll face Persian does not suffer from the same condition because the face has a normal anatomy. Please see Cat Health Problems and Persian Health Problems."
EDIT 2: http://www.worldofdani.com/healthpro...ersiansen2.htm
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Excessive tearing (Tear duct overflow / Epiphora)
Epiphora is an abnormal overflow of tears down the face that results from either obstruction of tear drainage through the nasolacrimal (tear duct) system or overproduction of tears that overwhelms the normal drainage system. The overproduction of tears is most often a reflex, activated to expel irritating material from the surface of the eye or when significant irritation develops inside the eye. Although uncommon, epiphora may also result from overactive lacrimal (tear) glands and be unassociated with any source of irritation.
Tears are continuously produced on the eye in most animals. With each blink of the eyelids, tears are pushed along the outer aspect of the eyelids towards the nose.
While tears are typically colorless, they can dry to a dark red-brown-black crust, especially in the cat. Chronic tearing can also result in a brown to rust-colored staining of the hair around the eyes and face of animals. This is believed to be due to porphyrins or other pigment-like substances present in the tears.
Tears that spill over onto the face can also be irritating to the skin of the face. Moisture and bacterial build-up in that area aggravates this irritation.Epiphora can be caused by numerous conditions.Inefficient drainage of tears from partial closure of the drainage openings, increased kinking of the drainage duct in the nose, or wicking of tears onto hairs present in the crease where the eyelids meet. This condition is most common in the flat faced, long-haired breeds of cats, particularly the Persian and Himalayan breeds.
As a result of their short and concave underlying facial bone structure, the lacrimal sac and the nasolacrimal duct of most Persian cats is blocked at the lacrimal puncta, causing an excessive coagulation of debris and an overflow of tears from the lacrimal glands: Excessive tearing is a common characteristic of Persian cats and is caused by abnormal drainage of tears and may result in epiphora (Faculty of Cornell Feline Health Center 1997). The two lacrimal puncta are the small openings to the canaliculi (ducts) leading to the lacrimal sac. The nasolacrimal duct drains the sac into the nose. The ducts of the lacrimal system are already very small in felines and the facial conformation of extremely short-nosed, large-eyed cats, namely Persians, is the single most common cause of occlusion (blockage) of the lacrimal system and resulting abnormal drainage of tears. Consequently, because of the epiphora and the blocked lacrimal system, Persian cats suffer from chronic eye infections. Bacteria build up in the obstructed lacrimal passages and thrive on the debris deposited from the coagulated tears, inducing chronic conjunctivitis, with characteristic symptoms such as a brown, mucus-like discharge from the eye, blinking, and an exposed third eyelid. In severe cases, the conjunctiva is swollen red (Faculty of Cornell Feline Health Center 1997). It is important to note, however, that conjunctivitis is not painful (Carlson and Giffin 1995)."
Why risk all of this purely for looks? Surely the skull shape doesn't have to be like this?
regards,
Christine
You have got to be joking... How can you even try to make this comparison?
Comparing breeding Sphynx in the same level of cruelty of declawing? Are you serious?
By definition, animal cruelty is the infliction of suffering or harm to animals, other than humans, for purposes other than self-defense. Now, explain to me how breeding Sphynx can fit into this category? Because I can clearly see how declawing does, but breeding Sphynxs? PLEASE!
And all the problems you just listed can be avoided by the owner simply caring for their cat properly, i.e. wiping the eye area regularly. I can honestly say I never had a Persian get an eye infection from excessive tearing.
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