Introducing Betty White

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Excellent!
Good luck on the Mouser success.
Would mixing something she likes with something she's leaving, like you have before but with these foods, be a possibility?
That’s what I was thinking. I am going to mix the batch she doesn’t like with the batch she does and hope time and hunger help her overcome her fussies. Maybe I can use the remaining inventory of the good batch to transition her to a new batch.
 

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That’s what I was thinking. I am going to mix the batch she doesn’t like with the batch she does and hope time and hunger help her overcome her fussies. Maybe I can use the remaining inventory of the good batch to transition her to a new batch.
Worth a try, anyway, right? Just bear in mind that if she turns tail once she may not the next time...CATS, yunno. :insertevillaugh:
 

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Worth a try, anyway, right? Just bear in mind that if she turns tail once she may not the next time...CATS, yunno. :insertevillaugh:
I’m watching her on the camera. She seems skeptical. But willing to try a half and half mix of half new can 2024 batch (not a recent batch but I can get more cans of it) and warmed up leftovers from her beloved 2023 batch. I can get perhaps as much as a case of the 2024 cans. Perhaps I can get her transitioned to those first. And then we can work on getting her to eat the 2025 hockey pucks. 🤦🏼‍♂️😔 I need something that will last us more than four or five days (the extent of my 2023 inventory.) She sure is making it hard to want to try the pred taper. 🤦🏼‍♂️
 

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Another heartbreaking medicine meal. She shows up hungry. But she snubs what I offer her. She will likely eat 1D later. But it’s just so sad that she doesn’t eat with her meds anymore. She used to love these meals with me. She would plow into the plate and when she was done—even if she didn’t finish the plated portion—she would lay against my leg and roll onto her back and take chest and belly rubs after her meal. Now she sniffs the food I plate her and tries to walk into the kitchen she never enters. She’s looking for something else and it breaks my heart. And when she realizes that nothing else is coming, she sulks off to the office. I’m sure the pred will kick in in an hour and she’ll start nibbling that plate. But I don’t want to starve her into eating. I feel terrible for taking the joy out of her meals. We may have to return to I/D and regroup with the specialist. Let’s see how she does with the rest of the weekend.
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Is it hot there today? Perhaps weather is also a factor? 🤞 🍀
It’s not that much hotter than it’s been all summer. No. There is definitely a difference in her enjoyment of the batches. And she really doesn’t appreciate me trying to mix the batch she likes with the one she doesn’t. I’m sure if I offered her I/D, she’d plow through the plate. I really need to talk with the specialist again. I can’t taper her pred when she’s not eating so well on the novel diet. And I can’t taper her ondansetron when she’s eating the I/D. And I may be imagining it, but I swear her coat and body condition feel better since we switched to rabbit. But I may have to switch her back to I/D. We’re working through three batches of Rawz rabbit. The cans from 2023 that were leftover from Krista’s stash, she loves those and will never see them again when the four and a half cans I have run out. The 2024 batch she is grudgingly eating when mixed with the 2023. I don’t think she’ll eat the 2024’s on their own. We’re still going to run out of 2023’s. The 2025’s seem like a hard no to her. Maybe I should try one more time tomorrow mixing the 2023 with the 2025. If by some miracle she only needs to be convinced to try the 2025’s, that could solve all our problems. Until 2026 cans come out… 🤦🏼‍♂️ But I don’t have much hope on this one.

Farmnina Quail and Pumpkin is far too many variables and it has fish. I’m trying to avoid fish.

I really believe the Instinct rabbit recipe has far too much pork and peas and other nonsense. But I may be willing to try it if Betty enjoys it and it does right by her.

Ziwi Peak is another with too much WTF in the can. But if Betty will eat it and it treats her right, we can figure out the next food further down the road.

I tried Chicken Rawz with her. That was a no. I tried Tiki Cat Chicken and Egg After Dark. Another no. I did not try the turkey Rawz because those are 2023 cans also from Krista’s stash that we’ll never see again. Better to not start her down that road with only two cans. I will pick up Mouser in other flavors. I’m not sure what else we can try that’s both novel protein and not bogged down with a bunch of nonsense and garbage.
 

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I just saw her wake up, lick her lips likes she’s hungry, and then put her head back down likes she’s holding out until she’s hungry enough. 😿

I don’t want to give up any progress. But I don’t want to drag out something that’s not working.

I just don’t know what to do now.

Oh she’s finally giving it a go now. But really! I don’t like starving her or medicating her into compliance. I want to find a food she enjoys as much as I/D or the 2023 cans that we’ll never see again.
 

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This is not normal Betty behavior. She might lay in my lap or in the floof or on her blanket on the bed. But she doesn’t crash out on the floor in no-man’s-land like this.

I wish she could tell me if she has pain or discomfort somewhere.
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Errg. I know that position too. Hey did you say you recently switched her off the hairball treat you’d been using & on to a different one? I’ve kept Zorro on the 1 you recommended and it seems to help w/ digestion. Nothing comes UP, anyway. Once in awhile he noms on a little wild grass too on a supervised walk, but obviously that isn’t an option here. Looks as if she’s trying to work something through herself: could be all you need is time.
 

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Errg. I know that position too. Hey did you say you recently switched her off the hairball treat you’d been using & on to a different one? I’ve kept Zorro on the 1 you recommended and it seems to help w/ digestion. Nothing comes UP, anyway. Once in awhile he noms on a little wild grass too on a supervised walk, but obviously that isn’t an option here. Looks as if she’s trying to work something through herself: could be all you need is time.
She stopped eating the VT ones. I was briefly giving her a single Greenie and a freeze-dried rabbit treat. Then I wanted her off as much chicken as we could manage (she still gets just enough A/D to take her pills), and decided to double up the rabbit treat and abandon the Greenie. After all, she is taking pred and hasn’t brought up a hairball in a month now. I can try her back on a Greenie and see if I can find a fresh bag of those VT chews. I don’t know that that will bring the joy back to her eating though. Worth a try though.
 

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She left a remainder on first dinner and she left most of her overnight. And unlike the daytime, she was not hungry enough to give the Mouser another chance.

She did another sniff and snub at breakfast. Poor girl. I know she was looking forward to something tasty. I placed a couple of A/D bites up against the rabbit mound. She ate a few grams of the rabbit when she was done with the A/D. I did this a second time and decided that was enough A/D. She ate about 8 grams of the rabbit with the A/D. This is not sustainable. I don’t want her grudgingly eating when hunger overcomes preference. I will visit a pet food store again today and see if Betty might like different flavors of Mouser or different rabbit preparations including Instinct. As much as I don’t like Instinct’s recipe, if Betty likes it, I’ll be willing to give it a try.
 

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She left a remainder on first dinner and she left most of her overnight. And unlike the daytime, she was not hungry enough to give the Mouser another chance.

She did another sniff and snub at breakfast. Poor girl. I know she was looking forward to something tasty. I placed a couple of A/D bites up against the rabbit mound. She ate a few grams of the rabbit when she was done with the A/D. I did this a second time and decided that was enough A/D. She ate about 8 grams of the rabbit with the A/D. This is not sustainable. I don’t want her grudgingly eating when hunger overcomes preference. I will visit a pet food store again today and see if Betty might like different flavors of Mouser or different rabbit preparations including Instinct. As much as I don’t like Instinct’s recipe, if Betty likes it, I’ll be willing to give it a try.
What a conundrum! I know you'd rather go through this yourself than have Betty go through it. For a little cat, food and treats are BIG magic and a big part of their enjoyment and it's really tough seeing them not enjoy that part of their lives. I was going to suggest you look in out-of-the-way places (think black market) for 2023 batches, but even if you do find them, they will ultimately run out and you'll need something else, so "never mind!" on that. Yeah, it sounds like time to branch out and try anything and everything you'll agree to give a go to. Hoping and praying Betty will find some new favorites that are more healthy than the Science Diet stuff.
 

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Last week was 9.68. So she gained an “ounce”. (Not quite since it is 16 oz to a pound. But vets have been confusing me with this rounding for a long time. It’s time I passed the confusion on. 😽🤦🏼‍♂️)
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But she seems both hungry and joyless a lot of the time now. I am going to PetSmart and one of the indies and I will pick up a few choices for her. But I’m prepared to transition her back to I/D. At least she was eating well and seemed happy on the stuff. Maybe we can taper from I/D and eventually get to a level of pred where doc is comfortable with me feeding raw. Aside from still needing ondansetron, she really doesn’t seem all that bad on I/D. Much better than she’s been the last few days on Rawz (and no to Mouser. 😾)
 

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Last week was 9.68. So she gained an “ounce”. (Not quite since it is 16 oz to a pound. But vets have been confusing me with this rounding for a long time. It’s time I passed the confusion on. 😽🤦🏼‍♂️)
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But she seems both hungry and joyless a lot of the time now. I am going to PetSmart and one of the indies and I will pick up a few choices for her. But I’m prepared to transition her back to I/D. At least she was eating well and seemed happy on the stuff. Maybe we can taper from I/D and eventually get to a level of pred where doc is comfortable with me feeding raw. Aside from still needing ondansetron, she really doesn’t seem all that bad on I/D. Much better than she’s been the last few days on Rawz (and no to Mouser. 😾)
Yeah. I completely understand your wanting the best quality diet for Betty to maintain her optimum health; but we both know it's not successful unless there's enjoyment in her life. If she loves the I/D, she should have it, I agree.
She's doing well weight-wise! It is surprising since the enthusiasm is lacking. But you're doing something right, no doubt about it, if there haven't been any furballs for a month and she's at that good weight.
 

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Betty was looking hungry and depressed because I wasn’t giving her good food to eat. So after the weigh-in and the five or so kibbles she gets to lift her butt onto the scale and keep it there long enough for a reading, I decided to bust open a good can, a 2023 🧐👍 and give her a fresh can portion for lunch. I saw her on the camera. She finished it in one go. I’m going to offer more from that can for first dinner. If her eating joy returns, I know it’s not the food but the batch. I am still going to look for an alternative to Rawz, possibly Instinct as much as I don’t like the recipe. I know the doc would either push Z/D or the hydrolyzed hockey puck. I don’t like that recipe one bit. He also mentioned novel protein but didn’t say which prescription food there. I would try the prescription foods if Betty likes them and they treat her right. But Z/D is hydrolyzed chicken liver as the only protein and animal ingredient. The rest is carby nonsense presumably to make that appetizing. I just don’t think Z/D would be an upgrade to I/D.

Maybe I’ll mix the 2024 cans with I/D for a day or two until I can speak with the doc again.
 

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SO mind boggling a can’s taste varies from year to year. I mean it’s not like wine, you’re not seeking vintages, just reliability!
Welcome to Rawz. I had been away long enough to forget about this. But yes. Krista had batch preferences too. I would end up driving around between three or four different stores looking for the batch code she liked. Betty clearly has batch preferences and we can’t do this. If pred isn’t strong enough to overcome her preference now, this is only going to get worse when we try to taper. 😿
 

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Welcome to Rawz. I had been away long enough to forget about this. But yes. Krista had batch preferences too. I would end up driving around between three or four different stores looking for the batch code she liked. Betty clearly has batch preferences and we can’t do this. If pred isn’t strong enough to overcome her preference now, this is only going to get worse when we try to taper. 😿
And food definitely does vary. We never had anything this drastic, but I did occasionally get cans that were almost all liquid (the automated system failing at the end or beginning of a batch run? IDK). Things are definitely getting worse, consistency-wise, though, like everything else is, everywhere else.:disappointed:
 

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So I gave her some warmed up 2023 and she only ate 4 grams. I offered her Instinct and Nature’s Logic and Rawz rabbit with pumpkin and she didn’t try any of them.

Then I opened her I/D and plated a 20 gram portion. She got a whiff of it and got up from her hangry sad flat cat moping and tore right into the plate. She didn’t stop until it was gone and now she’s yelling at me for more.

So that settles it for me. She has no interest in a diet change. And we can’t taper her pred if she’s not happy with what she’s eating. Well shoot! Maybe I can still get rabbit in the feeders for now. I’m also going to try fridge portions of the I/D with varying degrees of water bath. I mostly want to know if a fridge portion of I/D will hold up in a feeder. But also it would be good from a safety perspective if I didn’t have to leave her food out of the fridge. I’ll cut her pate down by half and let her come back to that in an hour or two when that carby I/D makes her hungry again. It’s like Chinese food. Delicious 😋 but she’s hungry again in two hours.
 

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So I gave her some warmed up 2023 and she only ate 4 grams. I offered her Instinct and Nature’s Logic and Rawz rabbit with pumpkin and she didn’t try any of them.

Then I opened her I/D and plated a 20 gram portion. She got a whiff of it and got up from her hangry sad flat cat moping and tore right into the plate. She didn’t stop until it was gone and now she’s yelling at me for more.

So that settles it for me. She has no interest in a diet change. And we can’t taper her pred if she’s not happy with what she’s eating. Well shoot! Maybe I can still get rabbit in the feeders for now. I’m also going to try fridge portions of the I/D with varying degrees of water bath. I mostly want to know if a fridge portion of I/D will hold up in a feeder. But also it would be good from a safety perspective if I didn’t have to leave her food out of the fridge. I’ll cut her pate down by half and let her come back to that in an hour or two when that carby I/D makes her hungry again. It’s like Chinese food. Delicious 😋 but she’s hungry again in two hours.
It's weird how people say that about Chinese food but it's never affected me that way. Guess I'm the weird one.
Yeah, I guess this seals the deal. Betty is definitely an I/D cat. :sigh:
 
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