Wow you ladies have said what I was thinking!
Hi,Originally Posted by cococat
I can honestly say a spay is very invasive and isn't pretty. But I don't see everyone making a fuss about that. Mainly b/c it isn't purely cosmetic surgery. I get that. .
The question still remains- why cropp/ dock at all?Originally Posted by cococat
I have seen cropped litters playing like normal right after their ear surgery. It doesn't bother them much. They bounce back quickly. Imy dogs soo much and don't feel it is cruel to take them to the vet for the procedure. The dogs I have came to me already cropped (I got them the day right after) and were no worse for the wear at all. My dogs live inside and have the best life I can offer them, yet people still think I am cruel b/c my dogs are cropped and docked?There is more to animal cruelty than taking a well loved pet to the vet for the best of care during a procedure. .
Yes, you're probably right about that. But that doesn't mean that cropping is OK. You also won't find people who breed cats with disabilities make a fuss about it.Originally Posted by cococat
A lot of people have different views on cropping, I find the ones to make the most fuss are those with no experience with it. This might not be true in all cases, this is just what I find in general from doing public education.
I hope so. Un-cropped dogs ARE beautifulOriginally Posted by cococat
All that being said, it doesn't matter how I feel or what I say, I feel cropping and docking won't always be accepted in the US. I feel that cropping and docking both are on a limited time table. And I see the beauty in ALL dogs regardless of outside appearances. They are still just as lovable and full of life and love.
Well, if I had experience with it, that would mean I approved....and I don't. So I don't see how I could have any experience with it without actually having it doneOriginally Posted by cococat
A lot of people have different views on cropping, I find the ones to make the most fuss are those with no experience with it.
These are not the same at all, but I will take a voyage on this tangent. Why notOriginally Posted by cjh27
Yes, you're probably right about that. But that doesn't mean that cropping is OK. You also won't find people who breed cats with disabilities make a fuss about it.
"My Munchkins don't need long leggs- what's all the fuss about?" "A Sphynx doesn't need whiskers or fur." "My Manx can balance perfectly well without a tail- cats don't really need tails now, do they." "My persian can`t take care of his own fur- so what, I'll do the grooming." "So what if my white cat has deaf kittens- the new owners have all said that they are little darlings"
Hi,Originally Posted by cococat
These are not the same at all, but I will take a voyage on this tangent. Why not
Canines in the wild have erect ears for a reason. Body language is easier, ear infections are lower, and they can hear better, among other things. Humans bred specifically for these drop floppy ears and they are prone to more infections. Human cropping by a professional with the best care is not a genetic defect. It does not hinder the dog living like a normal dog and going about their day to day functions at all. I know because I own them and run them in dog sports and have experience with the procedure. .
Part of the problem seems to be that not all dogs are taken to a vets for cropping/ docking. If people really seem to believe that a young dog's nerves aren't fully developed and that they don't feel pain (!) this doesn't seem like a good idea.Originally Posted by cococat
So many people say it is cruel to take a puppy to the vet for the best vet care and a quick procedure, well, a spay is also cruel if we want to talk about the toll it takes on a dog, I have seen spay procedures and they are quite an ordeal and leave the dog barren for life and there has been some research that it isn't as healthy for some dogs at some ages as once thought. But the need to spay and neuter in today's society is important because people do not have good responsibility with their animals and the pet overpopulation problem is out of control.
The reason above is the reason I am against declawing, it does defect the cat for life IMO. .
..now that was the best sentence in this whole threadOriginally Posted by cococat
This conversation is a moot point though, as I am sure laws will change. And like I said, I won't be heartbroken or anything. I love my breed in any color, any size, and with or without tails and ears. They are all great in my eyes.