Difference between tabby and golden?

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I'm in serious need of a cat color expert.


So, I have 2 kittens. Both are considered "goldens" I love both, I think both are equally gorgeous.

I bred the darker one through my cattery and have always adopted that color out as tabbies.

The kitten pictured in the car is a kitten I just purchased, she is considered a golden.

An issue I've been coming across; I have seen sooo many breeders sell my color kitten.. the tabby, as "golden Persians"

Everyone and their cousin seem to think that the darker ones, such as mine, are also considered a golden. I kindly asked a lady what made her tabby a golden and she said the blue eyes 🤔 kitten was a 7 week old tabby, color not even set and she's selling them as goldens with blue eyes. And people are agreeing!

I don't agree. I wish I did, I wish I didn't just drop an outrageous amount of cash on breeding stock that I personally believe is a much truer golden, but here I am, with an empty wallet and a beautiful golden kitten.

Anyone know their cat color codes?

Any cat show judges out there willing to put me straight?

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Please? Lol.

Maybe I'm not with the times and the kitten I bred is considered golden as well? I don't want to breed her and sell her kittens as goldens just because everyone else is doing it. Only if it's the proper color code.

Would love to hear thoughts on this!
 

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Golden kittens are born tabby. Technically they ARE tabbies, but the tabby marking blend in to the shading with age. Mackerel tabby marking tend to blend better while the classic usually (not always though) means the cat will be a tabby. Blue eyes are NOT allowed in goldens, but blue green are. The blue is because the kitten is so young and the longer the eye color takes to change, it generally means better green eye color. To tell if the 'tabby' kitten you bred is a true tabby, check the undercoat. If the barring goes entirely to the skin, it will probably be a tabby, if not maybe a golden. I know very experienced breeders who have been fooled by a kitten being a golden when they thought it was a tabby. One thing I was taught when I started out is to look at the color between the ear and the eye. It is an indicator of adult coat color. The one kitten in the car looks to have really nice color, although it doesn't appear to be of show quality but that could change with maturity. Has good eye shape too - nice and round. The below photos are all of the same golden from the day after birth to an adult. At his first show a judge questioned if he was a golden tabby (not allowed to be shown in CFA). I made the mistake of neutering him based on that - the judge was a Persian breeder so I thought he knew what he was talking about. Funny story: Some years after that first show when Jack was receiving his second regional win, that judge was a presenter. He told me while photos were being taken that he had always LOVED Jack. To which I responded - "No you didn't! You told me he shouldn't be shown!".
Here is the standard from the CFA website:
"CHINCHILLA GOLDEN: undercoat pale honey to bright apricot. Coat on back, flanks, head, and tail sufficiently tipped with black to enhance a golden appearance. Legs and end of tail may be shaded with tipping. Chin, ear tufts, stomach, and chest, consistent dilute color, much lighter in tone than the undercoat color. The general effect is lighter than a shaded golden due to less tipping. Rims of eyes, lips, and nose outlined with black. Nose leather: rose. Paw pads: black. Eye color: green or blue-green. Disqualify for incorrect eye color, incorrect eye color being copper, yellow, gold, amber, or any color other than green or blue-green.

SHADED GOLDEN: undercoat pale honey to bright apricot with a mantle of black tipping shading down from the sides, face, head and tail. Legs to be the same tone as the face. Ear tufts, chin, chest, stomach and underside of the tail, consistent dilute color, much lighter in tone than the undercoat. The general effect is darker than a chinchilla golden due to more tipping. Rims of eyes, lips, and nose outlined with black. Nose leather: rose. Paw pads: black. Eye color: green or blue-green. Disqualify for incorrect eye color, incorrect eye color being copper, yellow, gold, amber, or any color other than green or blue-green."

This is probably way more than you wanted to know. This is GP RW Posiepurrs Jacaranda, highest scoring golden premier in the world for 2 years (way back when I was showing him).
 

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ALL cats carry the tabby gene, some are just more subtle or hidden. The big 'M' on the forehead is another indicator of a tabby. Ypou can often see the faint stripes of seemingly solid cats when they lay in the sun.
 
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Oh my, he is absolutely stunning!!!!

See, this is the golden color I've been chasing for my program and I have never come across a golden persian with that true golden coloring, they have always been tabbies in my eyes.

I completely forgot that they are in fact coded as a tabby, thank you for that reminder!

Also, no such thing as too much info, I appreciate all of it, especially the pictures as well, it definitely helps me visualize!

My silvers are usually born with just regular darker tips that become lighter but it always seemed to me that goldens aren't born the same way silvers are and that's the part that's confusing since they're in the same division. Silvers are born with a dark coating that just becomes lighter with age. Goldens seem to be born looking like tabbies.

Now that I am finally adding goldens to our program, I will happily take on any information I can! 😊 Thank you for this!
 
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ALL cats carry the tabby gene, some are just more subtle or hidden.
That's also a good point I completely forgot reading about years ago. I'm feeling like i need to pick up a book on cat colors or something at this point! 😅
 

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See, this is the golden color I've been chasing for my program and I have never come across a golden persian with that true golden coloring, they have always been tabbies in my eyes.
What I was seeing were goldens with a grayish gold coat when I was showing. One thing to remember though is that seasons will play a part in a goldens color. One of mine would lighten up in winter but darken in summer when she lost her winter coat. The tipping, which is more prominent in summer made her look darker. I was lucky getting my foundation cats that I got some good coloring. There are a couple of books that may interest you. Both are out of print but The Book of the Cat is available on Ebay.
The Book Of The Cat Paperback Book The Fast Free Shipping 9780330261531 | eBay
The second book is The Proper Care of Silver and Golden Persians by Dee J. Single.
Proper Care of Silver and Golden Persians: Single, Dee: 9780866225960: Amazon.com: Books
The Book of the Cat has a chapter on colors, coat patterns etc. Some of the genetic info may not be valid any longer because this was from an earlier period of breeding. It still has some good and interesting reading. The silver and golden book I added just because it is fun to read since you are a S&G breeder. Some of the photos are mislabeled though with incorrect cat names.
If I can make a suggestion, study the pedigrees if you aren't already. It helps. Just to add more interest to this post here are a few of more goldens. The first 2 were my foundation goldens. RDreams Golden Bamboo is the sire of the previously posted golden, Jack. Savannah is the second photo and the only one of all of these that hasn't crossed the rainbow bridge. She is 18 now. Next is Poppy and last is Sol (Solidago). Posting these makes me nostalgic for past times!
 

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