AVMA to vote to take a stand against raw feeding

[carolina]

IMHO much ado for not much.... Same old same old, won't change a thing.....

 

[mschauer]

I highly doubt that the purpose of "removing pathogens" for human and pet safety is a legitimate reason for becoming a regulating body and forcing HPP on commercial raw brands.

Where is everybody getting this part? Is it in one of the links and I missed it? The AVMA is not a regulating body and never will be.

I'm fairly certain the American Academy of Pediatrics has some sort of opinion about what you should feed your kid. Does anybody know what it is? Does anybody care? Are there any laws about it?

I think some people are confusing the speculation of others with fact.

The AVMA, a professional organization with no legal authority, is simply formalizing their stand on raw feeding. Nothing else.

 

[fair2middling]

Sheath your claws, mutilating a cat & choosing to feed raw, dry, canned or something in between is not cruel or inhumane, choosing to neglect feeding your cat now that would be cruel & inhumane.I also support a persons right to free speech, as tiring and confounding as that is.

Oh gads! I don't know how to edit my own post, the statement above should been mutilating a cat is not the same as choosing blah,blah. I am 100% against de-clawing. 

 

[otto]

I think some people are confusing the speculation of others with fact.

The AVMA, a professional organization with no legal authority, is simply formalizing their stand on raw feeding. Nothing else.

Yes. And I think it stinks. I think it will have a negative impact on the way people view raw feeding, it is a step backwards and I think the PFI has a lot to do with it. Every time another person turns to raw feeding the PFI loses profit. I think it matters, and I would think that people who already feed raw would care enough about people who might potentially feed raw to think it matters too.

 

[otto]

Oh gads! I don't know how to edit my own post, the statement above should been mutilating a cat is not the same as choosing blah,blah. I am 100% against de-clawing.

I saw your mistake, but figured what you meant wasn't what you said. To edit a post look in the lower left corner there is a little pencil, click on that. The edit option is only available for an hour or so.

 

[mschauer]

I think some people are confusing the speculation of others with fact.

The AVMA, a professional organization with no legal authority, is simply formalizing their stand on raw feeding. Nothing else.

Yes. And I think it stinks. I think it will have a negative impact on the way people view raw feeding, it is a step backwards and I think the PFI has a lot to do with it. Every time another person turns to raw feeding the PFI loses profit. I think it matters, and I would think that people who already feed raw would care enough about people who might potentially feed raw to think s it matters too.

I'm sorry you're disappointed that more people don't share your concern. Different people see things differently. That's just the way the world is.

 

[otto]

I'm sorry you're disappointed that more people don't share your concern. Different people see things differently. That's just the way the world is.

No kidding. Thank goodness there is someone to point that out to me. :lol3: I guess I will continue to speak my own opinions, though it may make you feel sorry, I just don't understand is all, why some people feel that since it doesn't affect them personally, because they feed "REAL raw" (as I saw prey model called elsewhere) it is not important.

We all have to start somewhere, after all. This may stop people before they even get started.

 

[emilymaywilcha]

Oh gads! I don't know how to edit my own post, the statement above should been mutilating a cat is not the same as choosing blah,blah. I am 100% against declawing. 

I actually did not notice your error because I knew what you were trying to tell me - don't compare making cats sick with making cats disabled. The truth is raw meat can make cats sick if it is contaminated and/or not handled properly. If you can't do it right, don't do it at all. But I am not here to say raw meat is bad for cats. I just think if vets have treated cats who got sick by eating raw meat the AVMA has a good reason to say a raw diet is a bad diet because they have first-paw experience with the consequences.

 

[sugarcatmom]

The truth is raw meat can make cats sick 

Not nearly as often as kibble does. Where's the AVMA policy on that little tidbit?

 

[emilymaywilcha]

Not nearly as often as kibble does. Where's the AVMA policy on that little tidbit?

It does seem ironic that more cats get sick on cooked foods than raw before you read all this stuff about the length of a feline digestive tract, a higher amount of acid in the stomach, etc. My point was the AVMA's fear is justiified if its position comes from member vets treating sick cats. That is not the same as saying kibble is better than raw.

 

[carolina]

It does seem ironic that more cats get sick on cooked foods than raw before you read all this stuff about the length of a feline digestive tract, a higher amount of acid in the stomach, etc. My point was the AVMA's fear is justiified if its position comes from member vets treating sick cats. That is not the same as saying kibble is better than raw.

IMHO this is not the reason why the AVMA is doing this.... IMHO they are doing this because they might have been "advised" to do so by the prescription food companies.... At the very least, there might be some campaign on their part to get this done. Unfortunately, a large percentage of Vets lack knowledge on nutrition, especially raw, to say no to it.
However, IMHO, there is nothing new to it. I am not surprised at all by it, have dealt with it, and I truly, don't think it is going to change anything.
I think raw is going to continue to grow, commercial and home-made. Cats will continue to do better on it, well, because they just do. Cats will continue to be obligate carnivores. Recalls on kibbles and canned food will continue to happen, pushing consumers to an alternative just the same.... Consumers will continue to get more and more educated.....
The truth is, Vets never advocated raw, and raw feeding has been growing steadily. Those vets who know enough to advocate raw, will continue to do so - I know mine will... I don't see that changing anytime soon.
That's the reason why I am not worried.
It is not because I don't believe that commercial raw is as real, as pure, as deserving as frankerprey.....
As to the vets treating sick cats..... They treat FAR, FAR more cats sick from kibbles than raw - I guarantee you that 100%.

 

[cinderflower]

I think some people are confusing the speculation of others with fact.

The AVMA, a professional organization with no legal authority, is simply formalizing their stand on raw feeding. Nothing else.

exactly.  it's just like the ADA saying to use crest prohealth or oral b and not to drink soda or that 9 out of 10 dentists say you should chew trident.  if people want to feed raw, they will.  i don't think the average person who believes every commercial that comes on tv is the kind of person who will feed raw.  it's an idea that takes some effort, you don't just wake up and do it.  professional associations' endorsements or condemnations of a product are basically meaningless.  if a person likes doing something, he wants to hear it's perfectly harmless, even healthy, even if it's a lie.  if people continue to think raw food is bad (and the earth is flat) then they'll just use the argument, "wail, hay, that there AVMA thingy of vetreenarians and such say it's bad for ya!"

as poorly regulated as the laws for pet food are, i can hardly see them passing any against the sale of raw cat and dog food.

 

[mschauer]

I think a more accurate summation of what has been said is that it isn't important because of a belief that it won't affect anyone regardless of what they feed.

If you think someone has said otherwise perhaps it would be best to quote them so they can clarify.

 

[ritz]

"Take what you need and leave the rest".

I'll take my vet's advice when it comes to treating Ritz' UTIs; I won't take his advice if/when he says he does not recommend raw.  And for the record, he had no comment the first time I mentioned I was feeding Ritz raw.  The third time he saw Ritz he was quite complimentary about the condition of her fur coat and new! improved! teeth after a bout with gingivitus, I said "it's all due to Raw".

Attraction, not promotion. 

I wish AVMA wouldn't come out with a policy statement, I think it could muddle the waters; but concerned consumers will do some independent research and come to their own conclusions.

 

[ldg]

OK. Here's the background on this. Delta Society Pet Partners, with their principal supporter, Purina, is behind this proposal: http://atwork.avma.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Resolution_5_raw-food.pdf

Delta's current chair, Brenda Bax is a Purina Marketing Director; and board member, Mal Schwartz is a marketing pro ... "Mal is the nation’s premier cause-marketing consultant in the pet category, having served the following companies: Pet food: Purina, Heinz, Iams, Science Diet; Pharmaceuticals: Pfizer; Consumer products: Arm & Hammer, Clorox, Dial, Febreze, Swiffer; Retailers: A&P, Giant Eagle, H-E-B, Kroger, PETCO, PetSmart, Wegman’s. Currently, Mal manages the dynamic strategic partnership between INPEx@MBSA and the Nestlé Purina PetCare Company."

So there you have it.

 

[otto]

OK. Here's the background on this. Delta Society Pet Partners, with their principal supporter, Purina, is behind this proposal: http://atwork.avma.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Resolution_5_raw-food.pdf
Delta's current chair, Brenda Bax is a Purina Marketing Director; and board member, Mal Schwartz is a marketing pro ... "Mal is the nation’s premier cause-marketing consultant in the pet category, having served the following companies: Pet food: Purina, Heinz, Iams, Science Diet; Pharmaceuticals: Pfizer; Consumer products: Arm & Hammer, Clorox, Dial, Febreze, Swiffer; Retailers: A&P, Giant Eagle, H-E-B, Kroger, PETCO, PetSmart, Wegman’s. Currently, Mal manages the dynamic strategic partnership between INPEx@MBSA and the Nestlé Purina PetCare Company."
So there you have it.

Yep. I hadn't the slightest doubt. Raw feeders cut into PFI profits. The PFI is powerful and doesn't want vets telling their patients raw feeding might be good for their cats.

Thanks for doing the research Laurie, (as always! )

 

[mschauer]

OK. Here's the background on this. Delta Society Pet Partners, with their principal supporter, Purina, is behind this proposal: http://atwork.avma.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Resolution_5_raw-food.pdf

Delta's current chair, Brenda Bax is a Purina Marketing Director; and board member, Mal Schwartz is a marketing pro ... "Mal is the nation’s premier cause-marketing consultant in the pet category, having served the following companies: Pet food: Purina, Heinz, Iams, Science Diet; Pharmaceuticals: Pfizer; Consumer products: Arm & Hammer, Clorox, Dial, Febreze, Swiffer; Retailers: A&P, Giant Eagle, H-E-B, Kroger, PETCO, PetSmart, Wegman’s. Currently, Mal manages the dynamic strategic partnership between INPEx@MBSA and the Nestlé Purina PetCare Company."

So there you have it.

I don't see that that changes anything??? The source of the proposal isn't going to change it's impact.

 

[ldg]

I don't see that that changes anything??? The source of the proposal isn't going to change it's impact.

:dk: It doesn't. Just info for those interested. ...for curious minds that want to know... :lol3:

 

[ldg]

Oh, and there's a petition up, if anyone wants to sign.

http://www.change.org/petitions/ame...pet-owners-rights-to-feed-a-raw-meat-pet-food

 

[mschauer]

I don't see that that changes anything??? The source of the proposal isn't going to change it's impact.

It doesn't. Just info for those interested. ...for curious minds that want to know...

Oh, OK. I thought I was missing something!  

 

Thanks!