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Another question occurred to me. I think Ella will let me touch her kittens given a little time and effort. I suspect Elizabeth will try to constantly move them if I touch. I really don't want to crate them if I can avoid it. I was lucky the first time I dealt with newborns, the mama was fine with me handling them until the kittens cried. Any tips or ideas to work around the more feral mama? I've tamed quite a few ferals, but I usually do it across a couple months. I'm afraid with Elizabeth I have 2 weeks, if that.