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Hi Everyone,
Through my research i have done it is my understanding that cats to thrive to should have a minimum of 50% of calories coming from protein to a maximum of up to 80%, fat should be a minimum of 20% to a maximum of 45%, and of course we all know cats require no carbs. However it is very difficult to find a non-fish base can food that checks all the boxes that has 70% calories coming from protein and 30 % fat.
As a matter of Fact i am finding that the majority of decent quality meat base pate food ( My cats like pate but with also eat shredded canned food ) is at best on average 40% protein and 60% Fat and that is if they have no Carbs. And that number to me just seems so backward as to what it should be 60 % protein and 40 % fat, knowing that fat is cheaper to put in the can then protein is probily why it is happening but it is so frustrating.
I am just starting to calculate these percentages on the food and also call companies that i feed, And for example here is some offerings from natures variety instinct, and these numbers i got directly from them.
Chicken 36 protein 57 fat 7 carb
Beef 42 protein 51 fat 4 carb
lamb 31 " 61 " 4 "
venison 42 " 55 3
And not to pick on natures variety because all in all i believe they are a good company but come on up the protein and lower the fat.
Petcurean Go fit and free chicken and duck pate 34 protein 61 fat 5 carb
duck pate 36 " 57 fat 7 "
just to name a few and such .................
And just to be clear the numbers that i am referring to are Me numbers or metabolized energy number % not dry matter basis, I am sure everyone here gets that but some companies did not understand after i explained what i was looking for and tried giving me dry matter basis numbers.
I have recently food another company that looked very good to me, and checked all the boxes, which i should explain what those boxes are so you know
Canned food primarily meat based, no meat by products, non fish varieties, can have some veggies at end of list for example like natures variety has but no veggies near beginning of list
NO CARRAGEENAN
I have 7 cats to feed so high calorie food is a must for me, 170 plus calories for a 5.5/6.0 oz can but prefer more
also i know above i said non fish varieties and that is mostly what i want however i do feed fish once per week so some fish suggestions will be fine ..
Another company i have found that checked all my boxes and seemed real good was Red Barn however here are the numbers
Turkey pate 39% protein 61% fat
chicken pate 40% " 51% fat 9% carb
lamb pate 29% " 66% " 5% carb however lamb is traditionally higher in fat and i get that..
So i have decided to lower the standards a bit because i don't believe anyone for some reason out there makes a high quality pate that is 60 percent protein 40 percent fat ( please please please if someone knows of one or lots of them let me know )Decided to lower the standards a bit to 50 percent protein 45 percent fat 5 percent of less carb
So here is where i am looking for your help if you know of a canned food that ( does not have to be pate but cats like pate but will eat shredded varieties to but they seem to be low in calories ) checks all the boxes listed above and is in the neighborhood of 50 % protein 45% fat and 5 % carb please let me know any and all the ones you know ..
And all suggestions will be VERY much appeciated ..............................?
Also and example approximately what the guaranteed analysis on the can will look like to get the 50 45 5 is
79% moisture
14% protein
5% fat
Wow this turned out to be so long of a message and i so appreciate all that stayed with this Book to the finish .................
Through my research i have done it is my understanding that cats to thrive to should have a minimum of 50% of calories coming from protein to a maximum of up to 80%, fat should be a minimum of 20% to a maximum of 45%, and of course we all know cats require no carbs. However it is very difficult to find a non-fish base can food that checks all the boxes that has 70% calories coming from protein and 30 % fat.
As a matter of Fact i am finding that the majority of decent quality meat base pate food ( My cats like pate but with also eat shredded canned food ) is at best on average 40% protein and 60% Fat and that is if they have no Carbs. And that number to me just seems so backward as to what it should be 60 % protein and 40 % fat, knowing that fat is cheaper to put in the can then protein is probily why it is happening but it is so frustrating.
I am just starting to calculate these percentages on the food and also call companies that i feed, And for example here is some offerings from natures variety instinct, and these numbers i got directly from them.
Chicken 36 protein 57 fat 7 carb
Beef 42 protein 51 fat 4 carb
lamb 31 " 61 " 4 "
venison 42 " 55 3
And not to pick on natures variety because all in all i believe they are a good company but come on up the protein and lower the fat.
Petcurean Go fit and free chicken and duck pate 34 protein 61 fat 5 carb
duck pate 36 " 57 fat 7 "
just to name a few and such .................
And just to be clear the numbers that i am referring to are Me numbers or metabolized energy number % not dry matter basis, I am sure everyone here gets that but some companies did not understand after i explained what i was looking for and tried giving me dry matter basis numbers.
I have recently food another company that looked very good to me, and checked all the boxes, which i should explain what those boxes are so you know
Canned food primarily meat based, no meat by products, non fish varieties, can have some veggies at end of list for example like natures variety has but no veggies near beginning of list
NO CARRAGEENAN
I have 7 cats to feed so high calorie food is a must for me, 170 plus calories for a 5.5/6.0 oz can but prefer more
also i know above i said non fish varieties and that is mostly what i want however i do feed fish once per week so some fish suggestions will be fine ..
Another company i have found that checked all my boxes and seemed real good was Red Barn however here are the numbers
Turkey pate 39% protein 61% fat
chicken pate 40% " 51% fat 9% carb
lamb pate 29% " 66% " 5% carb however lamb is traditionally higher in fat and i get that..
So i have decided to lower the standards a bit because i don't believe anyone for some reason out there makes a high quality pate that is 60 percent protein 40 percent fat ( please please please if someone knows of one or lots of them let me know )Decided to lower the standards a bit to 50 percent protein 45 percent fat 5 percent of less carb
So here is where i am looking for your help if you know of a canned food that ( does not have to be pate but cats like pate but will eat shredded varieties to but they seem to be low in calories ) checks all the boxes listed above and is in the neighborhood of 50 % protein 45% fat and 5 % carb please let me know any and all the ones you know ..
And all suggestions will be VERY much appeciated ..............................?
Also and example approximately what the guaranteed analysis on the can will look like to get the 50 45 5 is
79% moisture
14% protein
5% fat
Wow this turned out to be so long of a message and i so appreciate all that stayed with this Book to the finish .................