Raw&canned Diet Causing Vomiting?

[lisahe]

What I hate is when you find the pile but don't know who the culprit is because you weren't around to, uh, "experience" it.
One of our cats barfed over night and I have no idea who did it, but everyone has been fine today so we're considering it an isolated incident. We hope anyway.
For some reason, our cats think after dinner is the best time to play so sometimes I wonder if they just don't get themselves worked up on a full stomach. Vet said to keep them quiet after they eat, well....obviously they've never had 9 cats.
That little cat we had was one of a kind. I've never known a cat to go out of her way to puke from the highest location she could find. I still picture little cartoon mice on the sidelines, holding up signs that read "9.9, 9.8, 10.0"
Also your comment made me think of this

Love the clip! Now I can think of you for the puke itself and Akeem for the garbage that's generated when cleaning it all up!

And yes, it's so frustrating when you don't know whodunnit. Who barfed up an entire breakfast last week? It's a mystery for the ages.

I do agree with the vet about keeping cats quiet after eating... and before, too, which is even worse for Edwina. I'm glad to hear about a professional's agreement on that! I do hope Edwina isn't going to keep trying to compete with your cat on those high-altitude barfs, though!

 

[1 bruce 1]

Love the clip! Now I can think of you for the puke itself and Akeem for the garbage that's generated when cleaning it all up!

And yes, it's so frustrating when you don't know whodunnit. Who barfed up an entire breakfast last week? It's a mystery for the ages.

I do agree with the vet about keeping cats quiet after eating... and before, too, which is even worse for Edwina. I'm glad to hear about a professional's agreement on that! I do hope Edwina isn't going to keep trying to compete with your cat on those high-altitude barfs, though!

Since that movie came out I can't take the trash out without thinking of that clip. Eddie Murphy has always cracked me up but he took the cake when he made that movie.
For some reason, whenever the cats eat, they have to have this whoop-de-doo run around and chase toys, chase each other and all that kind of thing. We can't keep them down or keep them from going crazy. If we take toys away, they knock leaves off artificial trees and play with those.
Just last week our 12 year old found an ancient toy we unearthed from behind the fridge and tossed into the room. He sat in front of it and was staring at it. I recognized the look, but when he stared at it, his ears went forward, and he stretched his neck up while still staring at it, I wasn't totally prepared for the fox-like pouce he pulled off. It was an old hair-covered mouse. He has about 12,000 of them, so why this one was so interesting who knows.

 

[lisahe]

It was an old hair-covered mouse. He has about 12,000 of them, so why this one was so interesting who knows.

I think your first sentence answers your second! They just love old stuff. Our cats tend to get worked up just before their bedtime feeding: they race around a little and (most importantly) escort me up and down the hall because (I think) they think they're leading me to the kitchen for their food.

And yes on Eddie Murphy and that movie!!

 

[She's a witch]

Since you guys hijacked my thread with vomiting&garbage stories, I just spent the last hour of my life searching for a video of my cat throwing up from the highest platform of their cat tree all over the place, but luckily I must have deleted it when I was needing space on my phone, just the photo left and it's not that dramatic. It strikes me though that I decided to spend the 10 seconds I had to look for a phone and start recording, rather than getting her down to tiled floor. I refuse to see myself as a person who is entertained by puking, but I think I have to face the truth after all... If only I didn't have to clean the gross stuff..

My other cat however would never vomit like this. I only witnessed him vomiting twice since I got him 1.5years ago, and both times he would come to the litter box, and bury the vomit after. His previous foster mom said to me after that he always did that, and since he was sick little kitten, he did that a lot.

Luckily another vomit free day in my home! I begin to think that whatever was wrong, it's healed, but I'll keep observing and making notes.

 

[She's a witch]

I spoke too soon she threw up her last dinner, raw lamb. She was on a kitchen table and vomited on the floor from there, but as she is always terribly grossed out by this, she started running away towards the cat tree, spilling bits and pieces. Then another throw up from the second platform luckily so not too much damage. She always seems to vomit twice in a very short interval, does it mean anything?
Anyway, this wasn’t funny this time. Not because I literally just cleaned the floors before and was out of paper towels and the usual vinegar mixture I use, but because I really thought we’re sort of over it. And again I keep thinking it’s because I mix two kinds of food, raw and canned. Let’s see what tomorrow brings.

 

[Talien]

Yeah, it's probably from constantly switching food, that tends to happen if a Cat has a condition like IBD or just has an overly sensitive stomach. One of my Cats would throw up, without fail, any time she ate something that wasn't her regular food. Treats included. Sometimes she would even throw up just from drinking water on an empty stomach.

 

[1 bruce 1]

I spoke too soon she threw up her last dinner, raw lamb. She was on a kitchen table and vomited on the floor from there, but as she is always terribly grossed out by this, she started running away towards the cat tree, spilling bits and pieces. Then another throw up from the second platform luckily so not too much damage. She always seems to vomit twice in a very short interval, does it mean anything?
Anyway, this wasn’t funny this time. Not because I literally just cleaned the floors before and was out of paper towels and the usual vinegar mixture I use, but because I really thought we’re sort of over it. And again I keep thinking it’s because I mix two kinds of food, raw and canned. Let’s see what tomorrow brings.

Has she had much lamb before? None of our cats do well on lamb, they eat it very slowly and pick at it.
I'm assuming the raw you feed her is ground, is she a fast eater? If so, do you think slowing her down any would help? (They make those bowls for dogs that eat too fast to slow them down, no reason that wouldn't work for a cat, too.)
How many times a day do you feed her and how much?
PS: Sorry about the thread hijacking. Sometimes I go a little off topic, if you couldn't already tell

 

[lisahe]

PS: Sorry about the thread hijacking. Sometimes I go a little off topic, if you couldn't already tell

And I was a co-conspirator, sorry!

 

[daftcat75]

My Krista once threw up from on top the TV bench. The splash zone was huge! I refer to that as her cat Gallagher moment. (Gallagher was a comedian who used to smash watermelons with a hammer to see just how far back into the audience his splash zone would reach.). I’ve also woken up to her retching on the bed. I have about five seconds to grab that retching cat and toss her off the bed so that barf grenade can explode at ground level.

That out of the way...

Can you make your cats a meat stock? If you look up bone broth for IBD cats, you’ll learn the how and the why. The only difference is that a meat stock is lower in glutamates, it is not cooked as long, so it’s more gentle on a leaky gut which is essentially what IBD is. You likely won’t get very far in food trials until you’ve healed the leaky gut. The gelatin in meat stock will do this. The glucosamine will also help with arthritis so there’s a bonus there.

 

[maggie101]

My cat Peaches tried the rawz and threw it up even when I slowly mixed it in with her food she can tolerate.. I have noticed that eventually I can mix it in with no problems but it takes a few servings. Then when I slowly mix in another food I go through the same process. Simply put, it is best not to give her a variety if I dont want to pick up mess, sometimes twice a day. My other cats have never had this problem.

 

[maggie101]

Her normal food is canned canidae wild frontier trail chicken, discontinued on chewy and many other sites but I found it on a sight after lots of searching

 

[She's a witch]

And I was a co-conspirator, sorry!

I hope you know I was joking, it seems to me that I have a very unAmerican sense of humour :-)) you can hijack the thread as much as possible, who doesn't like good cat vomiting story, after all?

1 bruce 1 she eats lamb and she absolutely loves lamb. This and venison are her favorite meat kind. It doesn't seem that any particular protein is the trigger for her issues, but yeah, I know that red meat doesn't seem to be best for cats. She's not that enthusiastic when it comes to poultry, but she also loves rabbit - but the only commercial frozen raw with rabbit that I found has bones in it, so we've never tried it. But yeah, when I think about this, she eats more lamb that chicken/turkey, so I'll even this out.
Although she eats with passion, she's also very graceful (as opposed to my other messy cat ) so she doesn't eat particularly fast. I have a slow feeder but it's plastic and I'm afraid to serve the raw food on plastic dish. But I usually spread the food in her big elevated bowl and she licks the small amount so I don't think this is a problem, especially when I compare how my other cat bites into his food in seconds and swallows it (luckily, with no issues).
We give her around 40grams 5 times a day, although in short, 2h intervals in the morning and evening (8am, 10am, 6pm, 8pm, 10pm). Usually the portion is too big for her and she won't finish it and won't come back (which is great as my other cat is bigger so he finishes it).
daftcat75 I've read about the meat stock you're preparing and I'm tempted to try, but I'm afraid, never in my life I've cooked meat and also, it seems the smell will likely be too much for me (we don't eat meat); but yeah, IBD in her is one of my fears, so I guess I'll have to try, after all, I'm already doing for her more than I could have imagined as vegetarian, so I'll add this as well..
maggie101 she always had to have a variety of cans and she never had any problems with different cans whatsoever. The issue started when I added frozen raw and feed these two kinds of food. The problem is that I really don't want to feed her exclusively canned or exclusively raw at this point... but if that's the only solution, let it be. I prefer only raw if I have to choose.

Anyway, for the last week she's been on raw and canned everyday and so far she vomited once. I'm going to feed her like this for the next few weeks and lets see. If the problem continues, I'll try raw only (frozen raw and freeze dried raw) and I'll compare. She's getting probiotics and egg yolk lecithin at this time. I'll add meat stock as soon as I'll bring myself to cook it.

Thank you everyone for your input!!

 

[daftcat75]

I've read about the meat stock you're preparing and I'm tempted to try, but I'm afraid, never in my life I've cooked meat and also, it seems the smell will likely be too much for me (we don't eat meat); but yeah, IBD in her is one of my fears, so I guess I'll have to try, after all, I'm already doing for her more than I could have imagined as vegetarian, so I'll add this as well..

I'm a recovering vegan. I eat fish and eggs now but I still won't cook birds or land animals. So I can understand where you are coming from.

I bought a crock pot at Big Lots. It was $30. I bought some kitchen shearers and an extra cutting board just for Krista. I don't mix pots or utensils with Krista. And because it is a crock pot, it's hands-off until the end. The only time it smells is at the end when you have to strain it. You can dump the meat and bones into a garbage bag and you remove your strained liquid to a cold water bath. Once it is cold, it doesn't smell anymore. Or not so strongly.

Personally though, even though I haven't had turkey in 15 years, it smells amazing, like Thanksgiving, when it's done. Krista will come out from wherever she is to supervise the straining.

With a crock pot, it really isn't that tough for a recipe for a vegetarian to manage.

 

[lisahe]

I hope you know I was joking, it seems to me that I have a very unAmerican sense of humour :-)) you can hijack the thread as much as possible, who doesn't like good cat vomiting story, after all?

I was pretty sure you were probably joking, particularly since you mentioned that video, but I wasn't taking any chances! I've seen a few threads were people really did get annoyed because, ahm, the topic floated a little. (Our sweet little barfer has just settled in on my desk and started rolling around... I so wish we could figure out what her summer issue is!)