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I know that a lot of people post here when they are... hopeless, and out of options, and they are searching for advice from experienced cat lovers, and I am one of these people.

I beg of you to read this and please, if you have advice, I desperately need it.

I've had Zoe for eight years. She's always been... ornery. She is an only cat, but she's been pampered her entire life.

When she was around three, she had (what we call) an 'episode.' Seemingly out of the blue, she became enraged and attacked me viciously. It was an hour or two of stalking me around the house, hissing, yowling, and attacking with teeth and claws. I managed to get her into the bathroom and, about 12 hours later, she seemed to be fine. We took her to the vet, and she was physically fine.

A good five years have passed. We've moved, we've added a puppy (they are separated at all times due to the Yorkie, not Zoe), and things have been fine. Zoe is a scratcher, she nips me when she's been petted too much, she doesn't take well to company.. she's extremely anxious. On the other hand, this baby follows me around the house. She's paper-trained (no litter boxes!), she runs downstairs when I get home from work and flops over so I can rub her belly. She sleeps in my arms under the covers... she is.. I can't explain (and I'm sure you all understand).. how much I love her. She is my heart.

Zoe had bladder stones removed about four years ago, and was diagnosed in April with them again. We set up a surgery appointment in April for a Friday. The Monday before the surgery, Zoe had another episode. She was... god, she was like possessed. She cornered me for 45 minutes, alternating between hissing and yowling, and attacking me. My carpets were covered in blood. I was scared to walk past her, because every time I tried, she went after me. Again, I got her into the bathroom and about 12 hours later, she seemed okay.

We attributed this latest episode to the stones, and bumped the surgery up to that Wednesday. The surgery went well, and she seemed to be fine. She's healing well, and there are no complications.

About three weeks ago, there was another episode -- this was, by far, the worst yet. The attack was brutal and prolonged. I suffered severe bites and had to be on antibiotics for ten days. Once AGAIN, we had to get Zoe into the bathroom but this time.. she remained a bit.. perturbed. No severe attacks, but..every time I tried to let her out of the bathroom, she'd start yowling and hissing and, to be honest, I am petrified of her.

I moved her from the small bathroom to the large bathroom that has a window. I put one of her cat towers, blankets, beds, food and water, and her wee-wee pads into the bathroom and she seemed to be doing okay. I made an appointment, on the advice from my vet, with a behaviorist a few towns away. We took her and I mentioned that I had an office in the house that I was thinking of modifying into a sort of cat condo, and the behaviorist agreed. She also prescribed ClomiCalm (the vet was already planning on doing that).

We set up the office for Zoe (honestly, if I were a cat, I'd love to live there) last Saturday and placed her in the room. She seemed to love it. She was bouncing around and when I went to sit at my desk, she curled up in my arms and I placed my head on her side and we laid there for a while.. she was purring. I thought everything would be okay. I was hopeful for the first time in weeks.

Sunday was.. about the same during the day. In the evening I was going to go into the office, and she was near the door and meowing.. but it wasn't her happy meow, it was a distressed angry meow. Not quite a yowl, but it made me nervous. I had been waiting for Sunday evening to give her the ClomiCalm. So, while I was scared out of my mind, I went in and managed to give her the liquid syringe (she won't take pills at all..ever, no matter what). She wasn't thrilled, but she just walked away from me.

I went in about a half hour later to check on her, and she was sitting on her cat tower, and I knelt down and started petting her.. She seemed calm and relaxed, so I thought the medicine might be working. When I stood up to leave, however, she jumped down from the tower and crouched, and started hissing and snarling at me again. I managed to get out of the room before much damage, but she did shred my foot a bit.

The behaviorist has apparently abandoned me. I emailed her to ask what to do, and she chided me for letting Zoe out of the bathroom before giving her the ClomiCalm.

Monday evening, I took her back to the vet. I have to admit, I was hysterically crying the entire time (the staff thought I was insane). I had to get Zoe out of the office with Ugg boots on and Oven mitts. The vet checked her out, and when she palpated a certain area on her abdomen, Zoe kinda freaked out. So they scheduled a full abdomen ultrasound for Wednesday. I hate to admit it, but I was praying that it was something physical to explain why she has been attacking me (something physical AND treatable). Unfortunately, there was nothing there.

My vet set me up with a pharmacy that does compounding and they made up some treats and more liquid versions of ClomiCalm. Zoe, being ridiculously finicky, took one lick at the treat and turned up her nose at it (she's back in the bathroom, by the way). I managed to get the liquid into her today, and she's been calm.

People have been telling me to put her to sleep because she's a danger. Giving her away is not an option, I am the only person she will let near her without attacking. I can't... I just can't. I want to try everything imaginable before I consider making that decision.

I don't know what to do. I've tried Feliway in the past, it doesn't work. I'm PRAYING that the clomicalm will work, but I don't know.

Does anyone have any advice??? I LOVE my cat, I love her with all my heart.. I don't know what to do.

Thanks for reading this.

Rachel (aka Zoe's Mama)
 

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I'd like to first say welcome to our site


I'm sorry to hear that you are having so many problems with Zoe. I personally don't have much experience with this issue, but we have many knowledgeable members here that might be able to offer you some advice.
 

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Have you discussed Prozac with with your vet? It seems to work successfully for many cats with aggression problems...
 
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So far the only medication that has been discussed is ClomiCalm. To be fair, she's only really had her first dose today. She seems.. sleepy? But god, I'm still nervous to go in the bathroom in case she freaks out. I wear Uggs in there.
 

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How terrible for you. I do not have any experience of this kind of behaviour in cats so i'm not sure that i can help much. I have read your post twice and if there are no physical/health problems, then (forgive me for sounding rude - i do not mean to be) do you think that her behaviour may be down to her being "queen bee" of your household?
I say this because years ago i knew a family whos dog behaved in exactly the same way. It used to snap, snarl and attempt to bite if it did not want one of the family to leave the room.
Of course you love your cat but she is now clearly a danger. Please get in touch with the behaviour expert again who should be able to help you more.
This is a great site for advice - i'm sure that other members will be able to offer more help for Zoe and yourself.
 

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I'm so sorry you're going through this. I think others would agree, you give off the impression that you care genuinely and unconditionally about your cat - and I'm just sorry I can't give you a professional answer on this one.

But - one of my dear friends had a cat that sounds a lot like Zoe. We called him Mr. Jolly, but he wasn't jolly *at all*. He too had a stone problem and would often have bouts of rage. Pain killers only made him goofy and infuriated him further. My friend's legs are still covered in scars and she even had stitches on two occasions...and later, he would do irreparable damage to her eye (explained below).

Mr. Jolly's extreme rage was hypothesized (by a vet) to come from the amount of pain he was in, and he was dealing with it through aggression. My friend wasn't so sure about that and made an appointment for a second opinion. Poor Mr. Jolly never got that second opinion...he attacked my friend while she was napping on the couch and blinded her in one eye. He was put down shortly following.

She loved him to pieces despite his psych issue, and wanted badly to try Prozac before she was mauled. I can't say for sure if it would have helped, but I do know that something wasn't right with MJ's head.

Anyway, big big props to you for sticking by your Zoe. I'm really, really praying that someone finds a way to help her relax. What a lucky, lucky cat to have such a devoted and passionate owner. Hugs from my furkids and me.
 
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Thank you all for your replies. I knew this would be a great place to explain mine and Zoe's story.

What I'm struggling with, honestly, is the rest of Zoe's life. I don't feel as though I can trust her to be "out" -- to have the run of the house again, to sleep with me like she used to.

So do I keep her confined her whole life? Is that even fair? I'm wrestling with this in my head, and I feel like it's going to explode. I just went in to visit her and she's just laying there, drugged up.

I'm so torn, so heartbroken. I don't know what to do.
 

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Welcome to TCS, ZoesMama.


You are dealing with a pretty horrific behavior, and I can totally empathize with your feelings of hope / love / fear.


There is a behavior called redirected aggression, in which the cat is set off by something that causes it great fear or anger, but not something it can physically reach, and in response, it viciously attacks the closest moving available target.

Can you recall anything that may have startled or angered Zoe just prior to each of these incidents? A cat or dog passing by outside? The city garbage truck, a maintenance man, a lawnmower, a low-flying plane or anything else?

You mentioned you don't believe Feliway has a positive impact on Zoe, but you only describe three episodes in eight years, which makes me ask why you believe that? I don't question your belief, but it's possible the information that led you to it would be helpful to us.

Many hugs for what you're going through. Hang in there!


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This is going to sound silly, AC, but for the first three attacks.. she smelled me. The first time was nail polish remover, the time in April was when I got my hair dyed, and this time was when I tried a new leave-in conditioner. She does this.. sniffy head-bobbing thing and then her ears flatten and she goes demonic.

I've considered this as an obvious trigger, but.. I don't know how, exactly, to make sure she doesn't smell something she doesn't want to smell.
 

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I have a kitty who, unlike Zoe, thankfully mellowed with age (Ophelia Rose). We had issues w/ her attacking everyone (other cats, dogs, & humans). She's now 9 (or is she 10 now?) - we both survived. Oh yeah - she would also pee outside the litterbox.

IMO, *if* you can get her going on medication then you'll see a ton of difference. The first few weeks to a month will be hard to get meds into her & you won't see much difference.

My Ophelia was on Buspar, one of the 'side effects' is they become too friendly. My former feral was rubbing all over me & snuggling!

If she won't take pills, and your vet deals w/ a compounding pharmacy, then ask them to compound into a transdermal gel (you apply it to bare skin, like the inside of an ear).

I know you said you tried feliway - and then you mentioned smells being a trigger. Have you tried feliway spray? Is there any way to use feliway spray to cover smells she reacts to?
 
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WCL, I didn't know that they made a transdermal gel! That would be so much less traumatic for her (and me!)

I'll definitely have to call the pharmacy tomorrow. Thank you.
 

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Stones: what food are you feeding her - what kind of stones?

http://catinfo.org/?link=urinarytracthealth

Maybe she's in constant pain causing her reactions?

Sorry, I'm not able to offer other specific information, other than to suggest she's in some sort of pain - maybe from her stones - and she needs relief???
for you both.
 

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What a terrible situation. I have no advice. She sounds ill in some way.

I'm sorry. I just wanted to express my sympathy.

Have you had a second opinion? A specialist?


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Gloria, she's on Prescription Diet K/D that the vet's internist recommended for the type of stones she had. There were seven in her bladder, different types. But they did a full abdomen ultrasound on Wednesday and don't see that any more have formed. She had a bit of scar tissue, but nothing serious. Otherwise, she's in good health.

Just went to sit with her again. I think the ClomiCalm is definitely having an effect. She actually peed on herself a little bit. I cleaned it up with a baby wipe.

I just want her to have some modicum of happiness and peace. This is.. torture for both of us right now, except one of us is pretty high lol.

I did take the advice and I called the compounding pharmacy. They can make the meds into a transdermal gel to put on the inside of her ear. I just have to have my vet call it in tomorrow. I'm very hopeful, as this will be much less traumatic for her.

I'm not really sure what I'm missing. I don't know what else I can do for her right now.
 
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Bastet, we got an opinion from two vets at the practice, as well as the behaviorist we took her to last week.

I'm about ready to find a cat whisperer.
 

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ZoesMama,
I'm so very sorry you are going through this. I can tell by your post that you are just heartbroken and that you truly love your girl. Please stick with the med and give it a chance. If that one doesn't do the trick then try another. There are several out there. Try not to think in terms of "the rest of her life". Right now your situation most likely feels hopeless and you are of course thinking the worst. I think there is help for your baby. The trust will take some time. I know you're very unsure right now. Anyone would be. Hang in there.

For now, I would highly suggest you use some caution with Zoe (ie: don't put your face too close for now) I would keep a journal and note every little thing from day to day. Every behavior, what she ate, where she slept, what was going on in other parts of the house, etc...
You never know what may stick out all of the sudden.

Has she had xrays of anything other than her belly? It just seems like she is reacting to pain. Of course, I am no expert. I just know I would be a wreak if I was going through what you are. I feel for you, I really do.

Just wondering if you are playing any calming music for her while she's in "lockdown". Maybe some soothing light classical? I leave it on all day for my two. Maybe go into the room more often for shorter periods of time too. I wish the best for the both of you. Keep doing what you're doing. Give the med a good month before you give up on it. And please keep us updated on your girls' progress.
 

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Originally Posted by ZoesMama

Gloria, she's on Prescription Diet K/D that the vet's internist recommended for the type of stones she had. There were seven in her bladder, different types. But they did a full abdomen ultrasound on Wednesday and don't see that any more have formed. She had a bit of scar tissue, but nothing serious. Otherwise, she's in good health. ...
Our two had the stuvite kind - which is treated with prescription diet - they're on Royal Canin Urinary SO - 95% canned, and some of the Royal Canin Urinary SO 33 kibble for treats.

Our girl, Phoebe, had to have bladder surgery last December to remove a stone, so we're being diligent in her feedings.
Let's just say after the surgery, the results were no more pain, and a lot more friendly cat.


Vets cautioned us that they should be 100% on this prescription diet or else the food wouldn't work.

You mentioned something about a cat whisperer - one of our members at TCS took her FIV cat to a holistic vet and got a lot of help. Here's Laurie's (LDG) Journal Thread: http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...ht=FIV+journal
 

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Originally Posted by ZoesMama

This is going to sound silly, AC, but for the first three attacks.. she smelled me. The first time was nail polish remover, the time in April was when I got my hair dyed, and this time was when I tried a new leave-in conditioner. She does this.. sniffy head-bobbing thing and then her ears flatten and she goes demonic.

I've considered this as an obvious trigger, but.. I don't know how, exactly, to make sure she doesn't smell something she doesn't want to smell.
Not silly at all, ZoesMama. I think you've clearly identified Zoe's trigger - strong scents that change the way you, someone she's bonded with, smell.

Given that Zoe has only had three episodes in eight years, and all three appear to have been triggered by a strong, "mommy-changing" scent, I think I would set aside the prescription drugs for now, let Zoe out of the bathroom, and make it a point that if you have to use something that changes your scent (like nail polish remover, etc.), you stay away from Zoe, or put her in a separate room, until you've washed the smell off you.

But I know your trust for her is shaken, which makes all of this exponentially more difficult for you. And remembering to avoid or account for Zoe's trigger for the rest of her life is a tall order. I hope you find a workable solution soon!!!

Best regards.

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I meant a feline gastrointestinal specialist as I was assuming that the vets in the practice are general vets.

Aunt Crazy's suggestion to lock Zoe up when you use strong scented things seems workable.

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Again, I want to thank all of you for your replies and well wishes. I've been telling Zoe that people all over are rooting for us.

I ordered the transdermal gel that was suggested, and (I don't even want to tell you how much this cost) it will be here tomorrow.

She seems calm, but she's still a bit.. persnickity. I can't blame her, because she's been in a bathroom for almost three weeks... but I'm getting more hopeful that, one day, we'll be able to have some semblence of normalcy.

I really do think that the scent has something to do with it, which... well, I had planned on getting my hair dyed tomorrow, but I cancelled the appointment. I'll have to deal with roots for a while. I just don't want to take a chance that it will set her off again.

Again, many thanks to all of you. I can't tell you how appreciative I am of your advice and words of encouragement.
 
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