Meet-and-Pet-Bengal-kitties-at-Garden-State-Show-in-Somerset-NJ-July-20&21

[flintmccullough]

Bengal-kitties-of-all-ages,from-kittens-on-up,will-be-at-the-Garden-State-Show,in-Somerset-NJ-on-July-21-&-22.

You-can-pet-them-and-talk-to-Bengal-breeders.There-will-also-be-a-slide-show,and-material-handed-out.This-is-for-exhibitors-and-spectators.

They-stressed,the-Bengals-will-be-in-an-enclosed-room,not-near-or-in-the-vision,of-the-kitties-being-shown.At-this-point-in-time,Bengal's-are-not-even-allowed-in-a-CFA-show-hall,but,can-be-shown-in-TICA.

I-am-requesting,this-not-turn-into-a-discussion,of-weather-or-not-Bengal's-should-be-allowed-to-show-in-CFA.There-is-a-big-enough-"discussion"-going-on,on-the-CFA-board.

I-only-put-this-up,so-that-people-who-would-like-to-see-Bengal's-in-person,pet-them,and-ask-questions,have-an-opprotunity.

Here-is-a-link-to-the-Garden-State-flyer.

http://www.catshows.us/gardenstate/

Brenda-is-very-nice,and-would-be-glad-to-help-you-with-any-questions.

This-was-posted-on-the-CFA-board-today.I-cannot-post-the-link,as-someone-who-is-not-a-member-of-the-CFA-board,would-not-have-access.We-are-allowed,to-cross-post.

BENGALS TO APPEAR AT GARDEN STATE CAT EXPO & SHOW Ever touch or hold a Bengal or hear one purr? Here is an opportunity to meet some Bengals " up close and personal" at our Garden State Expo & Show at the Garden State Exhibit Center in Somerset, NJ, July 20 and 21. You will be able to pet them and ask questions of club members Bengal breeders Bobbie Damiano and Pete Zabrowski of Tailspin cattery and of Pat Killmaier of Aluren Bengals. Bengals present will be of varied ages from kitten up. Most of us think of the standard copper color, but there also will be a gorgeous SILVER kitten present. Free door prizes will be awarded at the Bengal exhibit, and there will be a digital slide show available plus various printouts and reading materials. Our Bengal buddies will be in a private enclosed conference room not near or in the vision of any other cats per CFA rules. Please stop by and enjoy these sweet and playful magnificent felines! -Brenda Flahault, Asst Show Manager GSCC

 

[cat person]

Wow, I think that is a great idea. I love all the exotic cat hybrids (Bengal Chausie, Safari and Savannah)! So, I am biased

. But, seriously, anything to show the public that exotic cat hybrids are great pets. My hope is simply: "no more ban laws"!!!!!!! Having worked with many states on trying to legalize foundation (F1-F4) hybrids, I have been told "if CFA took them, we would feel better about them being domesticated". Plus, I wish EVERYONE, would just meet a SBT Bengal, Savannah, or Chausie. Then, the general public would see they are sweet and harmless. Just VERY hyperactive, when compared to the average adult domestic cat

.

Thank you for posting this FlintMcCullough

!
 

 

[sivyaleah]

Wow, this is very close to our home.  While we are not considering a Bengal, let alone a third kitty lol, Maybe if we don't have plans those days maybe we'll take a drive.  I'd love to see them in person and I'm sure my BF would also.  

Thanks for the link Flint!

 

[cat person]

Wow, this is very close to our home.

Lucky you, at least in my humble opinion

. I would love to go, not a surprise I know

.

While we are not considering a Bengal, let alone a third kitty lol, Maybe if we don't have plans those days maybe we'll take a drive.

Awe, I hope you do take the day trip and come back with lots of

and stories to share. Plus, I would love to hear, what someone else, thought of the exhibit.

 I'd love to see them in person and I'm sure my BF would also.  

Yes, men seem to love hybrids. But, in my experience, it is the men who complain, when the same cat, they just "had to have" isn't like a regular domestic. Or, it might be, since, I do exotic and foundation hybrid cat rescue/keeping, the men are just the ones "blamed" when the owner surrenders the cat.

Thanks for the link Flint!

Indeed

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[sivyaleah]

We are VERY excited to go to the show!  I wasn't sure if he would be, but he's a real animal lover, and has had lots of cats in his life so he's totally into it.  

Luckily, he's not the kind of person to adopt a pet by his emotions.  In fact, it took months for us to figure out if getting a second kitty was the right thing to do for us and our first cat.  And he, wasn't the one pushing for it either, it was coming more from me.  Plus, as it is he thinks Cocoa, our younger one, is too energetic at times, and she's a domestic ROFL.  

Nah,  I have nothing to worry about.  He's the last person who would want a Bengal, or other hybrid cat in our home.  He values his peace and quiet too much to deal with a pet as "wild" as that!  

Plus, no room left for litter boxes  We're a two kitty household and you can quote me on that 

  But it is a great opportunity to see them up close as neither of us never have.  

 

[flintmccullough]

You-bet!!

I-show-the-CFA-circuit,but-I-tried-a-few-TICA-shows,just-to-see-what-they-were-like.Bengals-are-allowed-in-TICA.

What-I-remember-the-most,is-how-pretty-they-were,just-striking.They-were-not-any-more-or-less-behaved-or-not-behaved,than-any-of-breed-kitties..Don't-remember-that-they-caused-any-commotion,at-any-show.The-only-thing-that-was-different,is-the-sound-they-make,kinda-hard-to-describe.Didn't-seem-to-bother-any-of-the-kitties.Its-just-another-show-hall,they-are-highly-trained,and-they-take-what-happens,in-stride.

I-was-benched-next-to-one,at-one-show,mine-had-never-seen-or-heard-one.Didn't-bother-them-at-all,just-took-it-in-stride.Its-just-another-show-hall,alot-of-noise-and-commotion,and-something-is-always-going-on-or-happening.

I-am-glad-they-are-doing-this.It-gives-people-who-would-like-to-see-them-in-person,pet-them-and-learn-more-about-them,a-good-opprotunity.

If-you-go-in-the-main-entrance,up-the-stairs,thru-the-glass-doors,you-will-be-walking-thru-the-domestic-kitties-up-for-adoption,there-are-alot-of-them.The-enclosed-conference-room,is-kinda-in-that-area,to-the-side.That-is-where-they-usually-have-the-meet-and-greet-breed-kitties.

Walk-thru-the-show-hall,its-HUGE,and-look-at-the-other-kitties-showing.They-always-have-kittens-for-sale,and-most,unless-they-are-getting-ready-for-a-ring,or-waiting-on-a-Final,are-very-glad-to-talk-to-you.Just-please-ask,before-you-touch-their-kitties,LOL.

 

[sivyaleah]

Oh no!  I told my BF there wouldn't be any kitties for adoption or for sale!  

 

[flintmccullough]

LOL.

Well....your-safe,as-regards-the-breed-kittens-for-sale.Ain't-nobody-takin-them-home-that-day,unless-its-a-fellow-show-person.I-almost-took-home-a-black-Maine-Coon-kitten-from-a-show,lady-even-dropped-the-price-down-to-$800,let-me-play-with-him-and-carry-him-around-all-day.But-I-am-pretty-well-know-on-the-circuit.I-was-already-running-kittens,and-really-didn't-need-to-take-on-another-one.He-was-so-pretty-and-such-a-good-boy,I-regretted-not-taking-him-that-day.

As-far-as-the-rescue-kitties-for-adoption......that-is-a-hard-area-to-walk-thru,I-could-just-take-them-all-home.But-a-good-amount-of-them-get-adopted,its-a-really-big-show,450-count,and-draws-alot,alot-of-spectators.

When-you-walk-out-of-the-room,where-the-rescue-kitties-are-,on-your-right,is-where-the-bathrooms-are,lol,I-scope-those-out-first-thing,lol.

You-can-tell-him,there-are-a-ton,of-vendors,like-a-TON.

I-hope-you-can-go,its-a-really-nice-show.

 

[cat person]

LOL.

I agree

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Well....your-safe,as-regards-the-breed-kittens-for-sale.Ain't-nobody-takin-them-home-that-day,unless-its-a-fellow-show-person.

I have never shown a cat. But, I was at a T.I.C.A show and almost came home with a SBT Bengal.

I-almost-took-home-a-black-Maine-Coon-kitten-from-a-show,lady-even-dropped-the-price-down-to-$800,let-me-play-with-him-and-carry-him-around-all-day.But-I-am-pretty-well-know-on-the-circuit.

Now, I am thinking the Bengal breeder, knew I do foster work? Does that sound reasonable? I mean, they knew my name and I am pretty sure I had not met them prior to that day

.

I-was-already-running-kittens,and-really-didn't-need-to-take-on-another-one.He-was-so-pretty-and-such-a-good-boy,I-regretted-not-taking-him-that-day.

Aww, hopefully, you can get another MC kitten

?

As-far-as-the-rescue-kitties-for-adoption......that-is-a-hard-area-to-walk-thru,

I completely agree

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I-could-just-take-them-all-home.

I COMPLETELY understand

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But-a-good-amount-of-them-get-adopted,its-a-really-big-show,450-count,and-draws-alot,alot-of-spectators.

Yay

!!! I really really wish, I could have gone

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When-you-walk-out-of-the-room,where-the-rescue-kitties-are-,on-your-right,is-where-the-bathrooms-are,lol,I-scope-those-out-first-thing,lol.

, you have a very good sense of humor

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You-can-tell-him,there-are-a-ton,of-vendors,like-a-TON.

Cool cool

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I-hope-you-can-go,its-a-really-nice-show.

I hope everyone who can go, has a great time

. Please come back with lots and lots of picture's and stores

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Oh no!  I told my BF there wouldn't be any kitties for adoption or for sale!  

I see a third cat in your future

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We are VERY excited to go to the show!

Cool cool

. Please let us know, how it goes

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 I wasn't sure if he would be, but he's a real animal lover, and has had lots of cats in his life so he's totally into it.  

What a lovely boyfriend you have

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Luckily, he's not the kind of person to adopt a pet by his emotions.

I wish more people where like that. Or, at least, did some research prior to getting the animal.

 In fact, it took months for us to figure out if getting a second kitty was the right thing to do for us and our first cat.  And he, wasn't the one pushing for it either, it was coming more from me.

Again, you have a LOVELY man on your hands

.

 Plus, as it is he thinks Cocoa, our younger one, is too energetic at times, and she's a domestic ROFL.  

Now, that is really cute

. Unless, your pure domestic is likes Gideon the Siamese (I forgot, who the owner is

) that is quite

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Nah,  I have nothing to worry about.  He's the last person who would want a Bengal, or other hybrid cat in our home.

Clearly, he likes his home "human grade"

. While, my home is clean and does not smell, it was... well... very sparsely "populated" with anything

. Whatever could not be put away, was either Gorilla glued down or was encased in PVC or Lexan

.   Mind you, I have worked with F5 rescue Bengals, but not owned one. The reason for the extreme cat proofing was from owning: HP F1 Bengal, HP and CRAZY F3 Savannah and a pure male Leptailurus serval.

 He values his peace and quiet too much to deal with a pet as "wild" as that!  

My exotic cat hybrids and pure exotics, where much tamer and sweeter then any pure domestic I have ever owned. But, you loose ALL your peace and quite!

Plus, no room left for litter boxes  

My F1 Bengal, taught herself to use the toilet. While it was nice and she never had accidents, whenever, I had guests unfamiliar with my "house rules", I had to remind everyone to leave the toilet seat up, please if a cat scratches at the door, she might need to use the bathroom too, so use the kitchen sink for your personal clean up after

We're a two kitty household and you can quote me on that 

I will

.

But it is a great opportunity to see them up close as neither of us never have.  

In all seriousness, I really hope you have a good time and I wish more people, would like to see the hybrids "up close".

 

[cat person]

<snipped> I-show-the-CFA-circuit,but-I-tried-a-few-TICA-shows,just-to-see-what-they-were-like.Bengals-are-allowed-in-TICA.

That is cool, that you tried both "sides of the fence". Do you or anyone else, know why T.I.C.A. accepted all the true hybrids (Prionailurus bengalensis x domestic = Bengal, Felis chaus x domestic = Chausie/JC hybrid, Leptailurus serval x domestic = Savannah and Leopardus geoffroyi x domestic =Safari) and not CFA?

What-I-remember-the-most,is-how-pretty-they-were,just-striking.

Yes, the Bengal gets its striking pelt from the Prionailurus bengalensis.  Plus, the extremely soft pelt. That I have personally never felt in any purely domestic breed.

They-were-not-any-more-or-less-behaved-or-not-behaved,than-any-of-breed-kitties.

I just meant in the average persons home, a SBT Bengal is far more active then the average domestic. My F1 Bengal, was extremly well behaved but was still a handful, when compared to the average domestic. But, my F1 Bengal was like almost no other F1 Bengal. I can go into more detail, if you wish

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.Don't-remember-that-they-caused-any-commotion,at-any-show.

I would assume, just like with any other breed, the ones shown, would have an excellent temperment.

The-only-thing-that-was-different,is-the-sound-they-make,kinda-hard-to-describe.

That comes from the Prionailurus bengalensis. My F1 Bengal made the WEIRDEST noises

. <snipped>

 

[flintmccullough]

I-know,exactly,why-TICA-will,and-CFA-won't,lol,but-that-needs-to-be-taken-to-a-paw-mail,as-I-don't-want-to-open-the-door..........

There-is-already-quite-the-heated-discussion-going-on,on-the-CFA-board,and-thats-why-I-requested,it-not-be-brought-into-my-post.

I-just-meant,the-average-joe-smith-spectator,is-not-going-to-walk-home-with-a-breed-kitty-from-a-show.These-breeders-will-screen-these-people,as-they-would-any-inquiry,about-their-kittens.There-are-pages-and-pages-and-pages,like-about-a-zillion,lol,to-the-application,and-references-are-very-carefully-checked.

Breeders/Show-People-do-their-very-best-to-make-sure-the-kitten-is-going-to-a-very-good-home.If-a-joe-smith-spectator,is-serious-about-a-kitten,they-will-be-required-to-give-a-deposit,at-the-show,and-its-non-refundable.That-means-the-kitten-is-put-on-hold,and-not-sold-to-anyone-else.Depending-on-where-the-show-is,and-where-the-person-lives,if-the-person-passes,per-say.The-kitten-is-sent-with-a-very-well-know-show-person,to-a-show,for-the-person-to-pick-up.Its-kinda-like-a-relay,its-done-all-the-time.Someone-will-say,the-kitty-is-leaving-with-so-and-so,after-the-show,to-be-taken-to-his-new-home.Or-someone-will-come-in-with-a-kitten,to-be-picked-up-at-that-show,by-his-new-parents.Depends-on-the-logists,it-really-does-run-very-smoothly.Full-payment-is-required,before-the-kitten-can-go.Mostly,the-money-is-sent-to-the-breeder/show-person,on-occassion,the-new-parents-will-bring-the-money-to-the-show,and-give-to-the-person-delivering-the-kitten.

Kittens-must-be-spayed/neutered,before-registration-papers-are-sent,and-ya-gotta-prove-it,and,they-check.

I-am-very-well-known-on-the-circuit,as-the-one-who-is-overly-pickey-about-my-cats,health-and-safety,so-when-I-went-looking-for-kittens,the-breeder-already-knew-me,I-picked-out-the-kittens,put-a-deposit-down,took-them-home-at-8-weeks.

You-got-to-take-that-kitty-home,because-they-knew-of-you,your-reputation-preceded-you,lol,you-weren't-a-joe-smith-spectator.

Show-kitties-are-highly-trained,they-just-didn't-show-up-at-the-show-with-them.The-majority,are-very-well-behaved,but-on-occasson,you-will-see-a-nasty-one,in-any-breed.There-is-always-that-one,that-just-does-not-take-to-showing.

I-have-been-asked-a-few-times-to-take-a-kitten-to-a-show,so-his-new-parents-can-pick-him-up.I-just-don't-want-the-responsibility,if-g-forbid,something-happens,I-travel-pretty-far-to-shows.One,his-new-parents,couldn't-come-to-the-show-until-Sun,that-meant,the-kitten-had-to-spend-the-night-in-my-hotel-room,with-my-kittens,not....a-goody-idea,in-my-opinion,don't-need-my-kittens-playing-too-rough-with-the-new-kitten-and-him-or-mine,getting-hurt-or-injured.These-are-pretty-valuable-and-expensive-kittens,lol.

Oh....people-food,as-you-go-out,the-room-with-the-rescue-kitties,its-on-the-right,along-the-far-wall,its-pretty-big,run-cafeteria-style,and-the-food-is-pretty-good.

If-you-need-to-go-outside,there-are-glass-doors,to-your-left,as-you-walk-thru-the-rescue-kitties.It-looks-like-a-little-park.Park-benches,trees,its-covered,and-actaully,the-whole-sidewalk-is-covered,and-leads-to-the-hotel.Its-for-exhibitors-and-spectators,all-are-welcome.Just-sit-and-hang,or-talk-to-the-people-around-you,most-are-very-friendly,unless-they-are-complaining-about-a-Final,lol,you-will-even-see-judges-out-there-they-are-happy-to-ans-your-questions.

I-hope-sivyaleah-takes-lots-of-pictures!!

 

[sivyaleah]

Lots of interesting info there Flint, thanks!

If we do go, and it's pretty much 100% likely, we'll take lots of pix.  Both of us are into photography.  As long as kitties, breeders and onlookers are cooperative, we'll be shooting away like crazy 

 

[cat person]

Lots of interesting info there Flint, thanks!

Yes, Flint, is very very informative

.

If we do go, and it's pretty much 100% likely, we'll take lots of pix.

Yay

and

!

Both of us are into photography.

Cool Cool

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 As long as kitties, breeders and onlookers are cooperative, we'll be shooting away like crazy 

If my F1 Bengal, F3 Savannah and pure Leptailurus serval where anything to go by, it is like trying to photograph a bullet in motion

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I-know,exactly,why-TICA-will,and-CFA-won't,lol,but-that-needs-to-be-taken-to-a-paw-mail,as-I-don't-want-to-open-the-door..........

Can we make that subject, it's own thread? I would love to hear your view and have a few other members, chime in of course

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There-is-already-quite-the-heated-discussion-going-on,on-the-CFA-board,and-thats-why-I-requested,it-not-be-brought-into-my-post.

No problem, I did not mean to cause trouble. I was just curious, since, I have been asked by various law makers, why CFA did not take the true hybrids, and I could not answer, I figured you seemed like the right one to ask

. I hope you understand and are NOT offended.

I-just-meant,the-average-joe-smith-spectator,is-not-going-to-walk-home-with-a-breed-kitty-from-a-show.

I figured that

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These-breeders-will-screen-these-people,as-they-would-any-inquiry,about-their-kittens.There-are-pages-and-pages-and-pages,like-about-a-zillion,lol,to-the-application,and-references-are-very-carefully-checked.

I wish the foundation cat (F1-F4) cat breeders did that. Grant you, the price tag for most of them, exuding the Felis chaus hybrids/Chausie/JC hybrid are INSANELY expensive. So, one would think, when dropping $3,000 plus on a cat, they would have done research. But, that clearly isn't the case at all. Hence, the need for rescues and people like me, that will take the "insane" cat.

Breeders/Show-People-do-their-very-best-to-make-sure-the-kitten-is-going-to-a-very-good-home.

See my above comment. But, with the purely domestic breeds, it definitely seems to be the case!

If-a-joe-smith-spectator,is-serious-about-a-kitten,they-will-be-required-to-give-a-deposit,at-the-show,and-its-non-refundable.

See, I have never agreed with that. If the breeder, wants to make the person jump threw a "million hoops" that is fine. But, it is NOT moral nor should it be legal, to take someones money, BEFORE, the breeder decides they are a "good home". Can you explain that to me? Now, if the buyer changes there mind, after the kitten is born or whatever, then the breeder better keep the money.

That-means-the-kitten-is-put-on-hold,and-not-sold-to-anyone-else

Yes, I got that part, I swear

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.Depending-on-where-the-show-is,and-where-the-person-lives,if-the-person-passes,per-say.The-kitten-is-sent-with-a-very-well-know-show-person,to-a-show,for-the-person-to-pick-up.Its-kinda-like-a-relay,its-done-all-the-time.

Yes, when I had my F3 Savannah

Loki

, I ended getting him in such a manner. Someone payed money for him (a GOOD chunk of change, despite him being nonstandard color) and in two weeks decided "he was just way too much cat". I will be the first to say, he was way more work (minus the fact he did not spray) then my pure Leptailurus serval. But, the former owner complained he was way more work then her Himmi. I mean come on folks, the most "domesticated" breed, IMHO, V.S. a foundation hybrid cat

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Someone-will-say,the-kitty-is-leaving-with-so-and-so,after-the-show,to-be-taken-to-his-new-home.Or-someone-will-come-in-with-a-kitten,to-be-picked-up-at-that-show,by-his-new-parents.Depends-on-the-logists,it-really-does-run-very-smoothly.Full-payment-is-required,before-the-kitten-can-go.Mostly,the-money-is-sent-to-the-breeder/show-person,on-occassion,the-new-parents-will-bring-the-money-to-the-show,and-give-to-the-person-delivering-the-kitten.

I see

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Kittens-must-be-spayed/neutered,before-registration-papers-are-sent,and-ya-gotta-prove-it,and,they-check.

That is a good thing IMHO. With the foundation hybrids, the females are normally spayed before they leave the breeder. Though, again, excluding the Felis chaus hybrids, the buyer/owner does get "breeding rights" included in the price of F1 females. The males (F1-F4) are often castrated, not because of ability to breed (they are genetically sterile, but will still spray, if not castrated), but because sedation can be tricky with the foundation (F1-F4) hybrids.

I-am-very-well-known-on-the-circuit,as-the-one-who-is-overly-pickey-about-my-cats,health-and-safety,so-when-I-went-looking-for-kittens,the-breeder-already-knew-me,I-picked-out-the-kittens,put-a-deposit-down,took-them-home-at-8-weeks.

That is so nice

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You-got-to-take-that-kitty-home,because-they-knew-of-you,your-reputation-preceded-you,lol,

, only with hybrid cat breeders. Plus, I am sure, my "reputation" is something like "she will take ANYTHING"

!   I can promise you, no one in CFA knows me. Almost no one in T.I.C.A. will either

. I have done Savannah Rama many times, when my pure Leptailurus serval was alive. Since, I could legally allow people to pet him, in that state and more importantly, he was a VERY easy going cat. So, was a pleasure to work with!

you-weren't-a-joe-smith-spectator.

Thanks hun, but other then Persians, my knowledge of the purely domestic breeds is "nonexistent".

Show-kitties-are-highly-trained,they-just-didn't-show-up-at-the-show-with-them.The-majority,are-very-well-behaved,but-on-occasson,you-will-see-a-nasty-one,in-any-breed.There-is-always-that-one,that-just-does-not-take-to-showing.

At Savannah Rama, one year, someone had a wonderful looking F2, to say he hated the show cage would be an understatement (he ended up being put on a harness/lead and was allowed to walk around) and seeing such an "angry" non-breeding foundation cat, was rather "off putting". My Serval, just looked at him and walked behind me. Nothing like seeing a cat, that is 24inches at the shoulder hide from one half his size

.


I-have-been-asked-a-few-times-to-take-a-kitten-to-a-show,so-his-new-parents-can-pick-him-up.I-just-don't-want-the-responsibility,if-g-forbid,something-happens,I-travel-pretty-far-to-shows.One,his-new-parents,couldn't-come-to-the-show-until-Sun,that-meant,the-kitten-had-to-spend-the-night-in-my-hotel-room,with-my-kittens,not....a-goody-idea,in-my-opinion,don't-

need-my-kittens-playing-too-rough-with-the-new-kitten-and-him-or-mine,getting-hurt-or-injured.

Yea, that is a liability, I can't see anyone wanting

.

These-are-pretty-valuable-and-expensive-kittens,lol.

Yea and who wan't to pay for someone elses animal

, Plus, in all seriousness, you do not want to harm any animal

I-hope-sivyaleah-takes-lots-of-pictures!!

Me too

!

 

[flintmccullough]

We-can-absolutly,start-a-new-thread-and-discuss-why-TICA-will,and-CFA-won't.Did-you-want-me-to-start-it,or-did-you-want-to?

I-did-not-take-offense-at-all,or-think-you-were-trying-to-start-trouble,lol,I-just-did-not-want-to-distract-from-my-post,what-they-are-trying-to-do,and-that-is-invite-people-to-come-see-the-Bengals,let-them-pet-them,and-ask-questions-about-them.I-feel,let-people-judge-for-theirselfs,when-they-see-the-kitties-in-person.

I-can't-make-Garden-State-this-season,its-pretty-far-for-me,just-to-much-other-crapola-going-on,lol.I-would-have-loved-to-pet-the-Bengals-and-ask-questions-of-the-breeders.But-if-this-goes-well,maybe-they-can-do-this-again,at-other-big-shows,in-other-areas-of-the-country.I-love-Garden-State,its-my-favorite-show-of-the-season,kinda-like-a-disneyland,for-kitty-people,lol.If-one-gets-the-chance,they-should-go.

As-far-as-deposits-on-kittens-at-the-shows.

This-is-actually-done-for-the-safety-of-the-kitten.

To-give-some-background-info.

Show-people/breeders-show-the-kittens-and-adults-to-achieve-a-championship/premiership.Championship-is-whole-kitties,Premiership-is-spayed/neutered-kitties,for-those-that-might-not-know-the-difference.When-the-kitty-has-achieved-that,the-whole-kitties-go-into-the-breeding-program,or-sold-to-another-exhibitor,for-their-breeding-program.They-could-also-be-spayed/neutered-and-go-into-premiership,depending,on-how-well-the-kitty-did,or-what-the-show-person/breeder-is-looking-to-do,zillion-factors-and-outcomes.

Premiership-kitties-are-either-kept-as-a-pet,or-sold-as-a-retired-show-cat,and-the-kitty-is-usually-ballpark,only-2-yrs-old,so-in-other-words,sold-as-a-pet.That-kitty-has-the-same-health-guarantees,is-already-spayed/neutered,had-all-his-shots,and-has-pretty-much-seen-it-all-and-done-it-all,but-at-a-very-reduced-price,as-oppossed-to-a-show-quality-kitten,price-wise.As-to-weather-the-kitty-can-be-shown,is-up-to-the-breeder/show-person-and-the-new-parents-to-discuss,most-go-to-their-new-homes,as-pets.

Again,the-new-parents-are-very-very-carefully-screened.

They-can't-keep-them-all,and-they-have-upcoming-kittens-to-be-born,and-shown-or-found-pet-quality-kittens.And-ya-figure,how-many-kittens-in-the-average-litter?

Most-do-just-1-litter-a-year,some-do-2,different-parents,or-at-least,different-mothers,depending-on-what-their-breeding-program-is.

So,that.......is-alot......of.......kitties,LOL.

Breeders-are-also-prepared,to-take-back-a-kitten-or-kitty,if-for-whatever-reason,it-doesn't-work-out,with-the-new-parents,its-even-stated-in-the-contract.

Thats-why-they-try-so-hard,to-find-a-very-good-fur-ever-home.Its-kinda-like-an-assembly-line,per-say,kittens-born,kittens-shown,homes-found.Now,if-all-these-prev-kittens-start-coming-back,now,it-gums-up-the-assembly-line,per-say.Now-they-have-all-these-kittens-and-kitties-to-feed-and-care-for,and-we-all-know,how-expensive-that-is.Much-easier-to-find-very-good-homes-from-the-start.

Which-brings-me-to-your-question.

If-show-people-let-joe-smith-spectator,take-home-a-breed-kitten-with-papers,from-a-show,paid-for-in-full,now-ya-run-the-risk-of-that-kitten-turning-into-a-not-so-responsible-part-of-a-breeding-program,resulting,in-not-so-responsible-people,selling-registered-kittens,that-end-up,who-knows-were,treated,who-knows-how,probably-ending-up-being-abandoned,or-turned-into-shelters,and-turning-into-the-a-very-lot-you-see-at-Garden-State,rescue-kitties.Thats-also-why,you-see-what-look-like-breed-kitties-at-shelter.They-are-breed-kitties,no-papers,and-thats-why-we-see-so-many-posts,what-breed-is-my-kitty?They-are-a-breed-kitty,with-no-papers,so-they-are-a-domestic-kitty.

Thats-why,registration-papers-are-withheld,until-there-is-proof,kitten-has-been-spayed/neutered.And-breeders-will-check.

As-to-the-deposit.

If-susie-wants-the-kitten,and-puts-down-a-deposit,that-kitten-is-put-on-hold,and-not-being-offered-for-sale-to-anyone-else-that-might-come-along.Here-comes-jenny,who-wants-the-same-kitten.jenny-is-told,that-kitten-is-no-longer-for-sale.jenny-is-also-told,a-deposit-has-been-put-down,and-will-be-put-on-a-waiting-list,if-jenny,still-wants-the-kitten.In-most-cases,jenny-goes-and-looks-at-other-kittens.If-susie-doesn't-pass,then-the-breeder-just-lost-a-sale.

Thats,why,deposits-are-non-refundable.

Now-suppose,susie-does-pass,but-changes-her-mind,breeder-just-lost-a-sale.Its-the-same-with-selling-anything.

If-joe-smith-spectator,puts-down-a-deposit,on-a-kitten-that-is-selling-for-ballpark-$1,000-$1,500,just-an-average-for-Maine-Coons,don't-know-the-prices-of-the-other-breeds,some-are-even-more,joe-smith-is-more-likely-to-be-serious-about-purchasing-that-kitten,especially-if-he-knows,its-non-refundable,and-he-has-to-pass-a-very-thorough-screening.Joe-smith-is-more-likely-to-take-good-care-of-the-kitten,and-not-dumping-him-out,or-returning-him-to-the-breeder.

Joe-smith-spectator-is-more-likely-to-really-want-the-kitten-and-take-good-care-of-him,spending-that-amount-of-money.It-eliminates-the-on-the-whim-buying.

Don't-believe-its-any-different-with-the-rescue-kitties,lol,don't-ya-gotta-put-down-a-deposit,and-get-very-carefully-screened?I-believe-the-rescue-organizations,will-take-back-a-kitty-too,that-for-what-ever-reason,doesn't-work-out.Much-easier-to-find-the-furever-home-the-first-time,to-make-room-for-another-rescue-kitty.

And...that-concludes....show-kitten-deposits-101.

LOL,LOL,LOL.

 

[sivyaleah]

Just to address the rescue aspect - yes, they do screen - or at least the good rescue organizations do.  We were given a very elaborate questionaire to fill out prior to them considering us.  Then, they spoke to us also.  They made suggestions to which cats they thought would be best suited for our family which was based on various factors such as how many cats we already had, financials, size of home, hours in and out of the home, were there children there or not, declaw and indoor/outdoor issues, etc. And I honestly think, that when they brought Cocoa to us for a meet and greet, that if they had seen a bad home situation (unclean for instance), they would have nixed the adoption for sure.  

They also made it very clear, that if for any reason she didn't work out, they were more than willing to take her back, and work with us to find another kitty, knowing that sometimes rescue cats can have special needs that they might not be fully aware of completely.  The first one we wanted, as Flint knows, turned out to be poorly socialized, so we backed of the adoption.  The woman we were working with was totally onboard with our decision; it doesn't benefit anyone to place an animal with a family if it clearly is the wrong fit.

 

[cat person]

We-can-absolutly,start-a-new-thread-and-discuss-why-TICA-will,and-CFA-won't.Did-you-want-me-to-start-it,or-did-you-want-to?

It is completely up to you hun

. I am just VERY HAPPY to get my question answered

.

I-did-not-take-offense-at-all,or-think-you-were-trying-to-start-trouble,lol,I

I am really really glad, since, people think I am trying to start trouble when I am genuinely not.

-just-did-not-want-to-distract-from-my-post,what-they-are-trying-to-do,and-that-is-invite-people-to-come-see-the-Bengals,let-them-pet-them,and-ask-questions-about-them.I-feel,let-people-judge-for-theirselfs,when-they-see-the-kitties-in-person.

I completely agree and understand. I wish more people, would think like you to be honest!

I-can't-make-Garden-State-this-season,its-pretty-far-for-me,just-to-much-other-crapola-going-on,lol.

Yea, same here. Since, I would have REALLY liked to go to that show/event

.

I-would-have-loved-to-pet-the-Bengals-and-ask-questions-of-the-breeders.

Me too

!

But-if-this-goes-well,maybe-they-can-do-this-again,at-other-big-shows,in-other-areas-of-the-country.

That would be great, at least in my humble opinion

. How does someone, a layperson such as myself, find out if, the event went "well"?

I-love-Garden-State,its-my-favorite-show-of-the-season,kinda-like-a-disneyland,for-kitty-people,lol.If-one-gets-the-chance,they-should-go.

Wow, if I had known that, I would have tried to go. I will prepare better for next year

.

As-far-as-deposits-on-kittens-at-the-shows.This-is-actually-done-for-the-safety-of-the-kitten.

I figured that, I swear

.

To-give-some-background-info.

Show-people/breeders-show-the-kittens-and-adults-to-achieve-a-championship/premiership.Championship-is-whole-kitties,Premiership-is-spayed/neutered-kitties,for-those-that-might-not-know-the-difference.When-the-kitty-has-achieved-that,the-whole-kitties-go-into-the-breeding-program,or-sold-to-another-exhibitor,for-their-breeding-program.They-could-also-be-spayed/neutered-and-go-into-premiership,depending,on-how-well-the-kitty-did,or-what-the-show-person/breeder-is-looking-to-do,zillion-factors-and-outcomes.

Premiership-kitties-are-either-kept-as-a-pet,or-sold-as-a-retired-show-cat,and-the-kitty-is-usually-ballpark,only-2-yrs-old,so-in-other-words,sold-as-a-pet.That-kitty-has-the-same-health-guarantees,is-already-spayed/neutered,had-all-his-shots,and-has-pretty-much-seen-it-all-and-done-it-all,but-at-a-very-reduced-price,as-oppossed-to-a-show-quality-kitten,price-wise.As-to-weather-the-kitty-can-be-shown,is-up-to-the-breeder/show-person-and-the-new-parents-to-discuss,most-go-to-their-new-homes,as-pets.

I see

.

Again,the-new-parents-are-very-very-carefully-screened.

Yes, from what I have seen, it is like adopting a human child

.

They-can't-keep-them-all,and-they-have-upcoming-kittens-to-be-born,and-shown-or-found-pet-quality-kittens.And-ya-figure,how-many-kittens-in-the-average-litter?

I got ya

.

Most-do-just-1-litter-a-year,some-do-2,different-parents,or-at-least,different-mothers,depending-on-what-their-breeding-program-is.

How is pyometra prevented, in the purely domestic breeds? Since, it seem to be "fairly common" in random breed domestics?

So,that.......is-alot......of.......kitties,LOL.

Yes indeed

.

Breeders-are-also-prepared,to-take-back-a-kitten-or-kitty,if-for-whatever-reason,it-doesn't-work-out,with-the-new-parents,its-even-stated-in-the-contract.

With the foundation (F1-F4) hybrids (Bengal Chausie, Safari and Savannah), it seems to state that the breeder will take the cat back or the breeder can re-home the cat.

Thats-why-they-try-so-hard,to-find-a-very-good-fur-ever-home.Its-kinda-like-an-assembly-line,per-say,kittens-born,kittens-shown,homes-found.Now,if-all-these-prev-kittens-start-coming-back,now,it-gums-up-the-assembly-line,per-say.Now-they-have-all-these-kittens-and-kitties-to-feed-and-care-for,and-we-all-know,how-expensive-that-is.Much-easier-to-find-very-good-homes-from-the-start.

I see

.

Which-brings-me-to-your-question.

Yes, I know, I have way too many questions, so thank you for answering them

.

If-show-people-let-joe-smith-spectator,take-home-a-breed-kitten-with-papers,from-a-show,paid-for-in-full,now-ya-run-the-risk-of-that-kitten-turning-into-a-not-so-responsible-part-of-a-breeding-program,resulting,in-not-so-responsible-people,selling-registered-kittens,that-end-up,who-knows-were,treated,who-knows-how,probably-ending-up-being-abandoned,or-turned-into-shelters,and-turning-into-the-a-very-lot-you-see-at-Garden-State,rescue-kitties.Thats-also-why,you-see-what-look-like-breed-kitties-at-shelter.They-are-breed-kitties,no-papers,and-thats-why-we-see-so-many-posts,what-breed-is-my-kitty?They-are-a-breed-kitty,with-no-papers,so-they-are-a-domestic-kitty.

I got ya and that all makes perfect sense

.

Thats-why,registration-papers-are-withheld,until-there-is-proof,kitten-has-been-spayed/neutered.And-breeders-will-check.

Again, that really makes perfect sense

.

As-to-the-deposit.

Ahh, the part that I find MOST interesting

.

If-susie-wants-the-kitten,and-puts-down-a-deposit,that-kitten-is-put-on-hold,and-not-being-offered-for-sale-to-anyone-else-that-might-come-along.Here-comes-jenny,who-wants-the-same-kitten.jenny-is-told,that-kitten-is-no-longer-for-sale.jenny-is-also-told,a-deposit-has-been-put-down,and-will-be-put-on-a-waiting-list,if-jenny,still-wants-the-kitten.In-most-cases,jenny-goes-and-looks-at-other-kittens.If-susie-doesn't-pass,then-the-breeder-just-lost-a-sale.

I swear, I understand the premise stated above

. What I am trying to ask, and in a NOT clear manner is this: What if the breeder just takes Susie's money and decides she is NOT a good home. Does the breeder have to give back Susie's money?

Thats,why,deposits-are-non-refundable.

I see

.

Now-suppose,susie-does-pass,but-changes-her-mind,breeder-just-lost-a-sale.Its-the-same-with-selling-anything.

This is true

.

If-joe-smith-spectator,puts-down-a-deposit,on-a-kitten-that-is-selling-for-ballpark-$1,000-$1,500,just-an-average-for-Maine-Coons,don't-know-the-prices-of-the-other-breeds,some-are-even-more,joe-smith-is-more-likely-to-be-serious-about-purchasing-that-kitten,especially-if-he-knows,its-non-refundable,and-he-has-to-pass-a-very-thorough-screening.Joe-smith-is-more-likely-to-take-good-care-of-the-kitten,and-not-dumping-him-out,or-returning-him-to-the-breeder.

That makes perfect sense

.

Joe-smith-spectator-is-more-likely-to-really-want-the-kitten-and-take-good-care-of-him,spending-that-amount-of-money.It-eliminates-the-on-the-whim-buying.

It seems that way! In my experience, with the foundation hybrids, not so much

. But, the people who can "plunk down" 3,000 plus (excluding the Felis chaus hybrids) for a kitten/cat, clearly have more money then... well.. at least myself

. I would also suspect the average domestic cat owner

.

Don't-believe-its-any-different-with-the-rescue-kitties,lol,don't-ya-gotta-put-down-a-deposit,and-get-very-carefully-screened?I-believe-the-rescue-organizations,will-take-back-a-kitty-too,that-for-what-ever-reason,doesn't-work-out.Much-easier-to-find-the-furever-home-the-first-time,to-make-room-for-another-rescue-kitty.

And...that-concludes....show-kitten-deposits-101.

Thank you for the tutoral, it was VERY informative

LOL,LOL,LOL.

Great work

!!!

To sivyaleah,

How was the show? Did you get any picture's? What did you think of the Bengal breed?

 

[sivyaleah]

The show is in July

Saturday and Sunday the 20th and 21st.

You got me freaked for a moment then I remembered; "Hey, I just saw the woman from the rescue organization on Saturday, and she told she has a booth there on...Saturday"

So, that would have been quite a disappearing act she pulled since I sat and chatted with her for like 1/2 and hour or so lol.

One  more month to go!

 

[flintmccullough]

The-show-is-not-until-JULY,lol,this-is-only-June,LOL,LOL,LOL.

As-for-the-joe-smith-spectator,not-getting-his-deposit-back,if-he-doesn't-pass,that.....I-don't-know.I-suppose,each-breeder/show-person,handles-it-differently,but-they-would-tell-joe-smith-spectator,upfront,what-the-rules-are.I-would-still-tend-to-think,its-nonrefundable,as-that-kitten-was-put-on-hold,and-no-longer-offered-for-sale,so-a-potential-sale-lost.I-have-a-show-in-a-few-weeks,so-I-will-ask-some-of-the-breeders-what-they-do.

You-start-the-post,that-way,you-can-title-it,and-word-it-how-you-want.I-would-just-suggest,you-request-it-stay-to-a-discussion,and-not-turn-into-a-fistfight.

I-will-tell-you,why-TICA-does,and-CFA-won't,and-what-the-nay-sayers-issues-are.

The-nay-sayers,have-now-taken,a-"different"-approach,which,in-my-opinion,is-beyond.......stew-ped,and,I-will-tell-you-what-one-"officer"-told-them.

As-far-as-the-outcome,how-it-went,it-will-be-all-over-the-CFA-board,lol,and-people-will-be-talking-about-it-at-shows,which,they-already-are,lol.

When-they-approach-me,I-tell-them,mine-already-seen-them-at-TICA-shows,was-even-benched-next-to-one,had-not-one-issue,as-mine-are-taught-to-accept-any-situation.They-know,where-ever-they-are-put,mommy-keeps-them-safe,so-they-just-go-with-the-flow.Saved-one-kittens-life,at-one-show,when-a-judge-mistreated-him,he-just-went-with-the-flow-and-stayed-calm.He-was-fine-in-the-next-ring.Have-seen-too-many,go-the-other-way,and-could-never-be-shown-again.His-mommy-"took-care-of-it."

Maybe-you-could-start-your-post,with-explaining,what-the-different-"F's"-are,and-what-they-mean.I-know-I-don't-know.And-from-reading-some-of-the-posts,on-the-CFA-board,I-get-the-impression,some-others-don't-either.

Anyone-who-has-shown-horses,would-know,it-doesn't-matter-what-the-breed-is.......its-all-in-how-you-teach-and-train-them.One-could-be-in-a-ring,with-a-mare-in-heat,and-a-stallion,right-behind-them,that-stallion,is-a-purrfect-gentleman,its-how-you-teach-them.

 

[cat person]

The show is in July .

So, I see

. I did mention, that I can be ditsy right

? If not, please take note, this is bound to happen again and possibly soon

.

Saturday and Sunday the 20th and 21st.

Now, I really really really really hope I can go

!!!!!

You got me freaked for a moment then I remembered; "Hey, I just saw the woman from the rescue organization on Saturday, and she told she has a booth there on...Saturday"

So, that would have been quite a disappearing act she pulled since I sat and chatted with her for like 1/2 and hour or so lol.

I am so so so so sorry, I did not mean to freak you out

!

One  more month to go!

Indeed

.

The-show-is-not-until-JULY,lol,this-is-only-June,LOL,LOL,LOL.

I told you all, I could be mega ditsy right

, if not, well......now you all know

. The good part is maybe, I can go now

!

As-for-the-joe-smith-spectator,not-getting-his-deposit-back,if-he-doesn't-pass,that.....I-don't-know.

Me either, but I have heard "horror stories" about such things. Again, I have no idea really, since all of my dealings where not with the purely domestic breeders.

I-suppose,each-breeder/show-person,handles-it-differently,but-they-would-tell-joe-smith-spectator,upfront,what-the-rules-are.I-would-still-tend-to-think,its-nonrefundable,as-that-kitten-was-put-on-hold,and-no-longer-offered-for-sale,so-a-potential-sale-lost.I-have-a-show-in-a-few-weeks,so-I-will-ask-some-of-the-breeders-what-they-do.

I see

. As long as, Joe the spectator is told upfront then I do not see anything wrong with it. But, like I said, I have heard evidence to the contrary

.

You-start-the-post,that-way,you-can-title-it,and-word-it-how-you-want.

Okay, how does this sound for the title "Why does CFA not take the true hybrids (Bengal, Chausie, Safari and Savannah) like T.I.C.A."?

I-would-just-suggest,you-request-it-stay-to-a-discussion,and-not-turn-into-a-fistfight.

Okay, will do

. I will make the post tomorrow, as long as, you think my title is coherent

.

I-will-tell-you,why-TICA-does,and-CFA-won't,and-what-the-nay-sayers-issues-are.

Yay, I am so excited I can't hardly wait

. I have waited years, yes years, for that answer

.

The-nay-sayers,have-now-taken,a-"different"-approach,which,in-my-opinion,is-beyond.......stew-ped,and,I-will-tell-you-what-one-"officer"-told-them.

With the current "hysteria" around pure exotics and the foundation hybrids, I am SURE the approach is beyond

.

As-far-as-the-outcome,how-it-went,it-will-be-all-over-the-CFA-board,lol,and-people-will-be-talking-about-it-at-shows,which,they-already-are,lol.

I guess, I need to join a CFA board, not like I am on a T.I.C.A. board

.

When-they-approach-me,I-tell-them,mine-already-seen-them-at-TICA-shows,was-even-benched-next-to-one,had-not-one-issue,as-mine-are-taught-to-accept-any-situation.

So, I have to ask: "what does the average domestic breeder, think of the true hybrids"? It sounds like, the "true hybrids" are very very scary dangerous cats

? Hyperactive and destructive via breaking household items, yes for sure. But, a well socialized hybrid, is far far tamer then most domestic cats, I have owned/worked with/fostered!

They-know,where-ever-they-are-put,mommy-keeps-them-safe,so-they-just-go-with-the-flow.Saved-one-kittens-life,at-one-show,when-a-judge-mistreated-him,he-just-went-with-the-flow-and-stayed-calm.He-was-fine-in-the-next-ring.Have-seen-too-many,go-the-other-way,and-could-never-be-shown-again.His-mommy-"took-care-of-it."

I saw, a T.I.C.A. judge try to "strong arm" a F3/F4 Chausie. Boy o boy, was that dumb

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Maybe-you-could-start-your-post,with-explaining,what-the-different-"F's"-are,and-what-they-mean.

Okay, will do

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I-know-I-don't-know.

I am so so so so so sorry, if I had know earlier, I would have explained

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And-from-reading-some-of-the-posts,on-the-CFA-board,I-get-the-impression,some-others-don't-either.

I am sure they don't. I have gone to a few CFA shows and talked about my foundation (F series cats) cats, I got a lot of blank looks. I was even told it might be a DSH

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Anyone-who-has-shown-horses,would-know,it-doesn't-matter-what-the-breed-is.......its-all-in-how-you-teach-and-train-them.One-could-be-in-a-ring,with-a-mare-in-heat,and-a-stallion,right-behind-them,that-stallion,is-a-purrfect-gentleman,its-how-you-teach-them.

Hey, that is like owning a hybrid cat. But, I am fairly sure they need to be castrated (spayed/neutered) first

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[flintmccullough]

Its-your-post,so-you-can-title-it,however-you-want-to,LOL.

Not-sure-if-all-those-words-will-fit,lol,but-I-would-make-it-more-creative......

Bengals...."Monsters"-to-CFA-but-"Just-Kitties"-to-TICA....Why?

Kittens-show-in-the-"Kitten"-Class,until-they-are-8-months-old,then,they-go-to-their-respective-adult-divisions.Once-they-hit-8-months,they-are-no-longer-eligable-to-show-"Kittens".Their-age/birthdate,as-of-the-date-of-the-show,is-the-division,they-go-in.

My-first-TICA-show,had-one-kitten,who-was-a-big-big-boy,his-father-was-about-as-big-as-a-pony,lol.On-the-dates-of-that-show,Fri,Sat,Sun,he-was-still-a-kitten.He-turned-8-months,on-Monday.So-I-got-a-kitten,that-already-towers-over-the-other-kittens,and-he-turns-8-months-on-Monday.One-judge-in-Ft-Worth,flat-out-called-me-a-liar,and-was-nasty-about-it.I-stood-up-and-said,don't-make-me-go-get-his-papers,and-I-will-be-calling-Jerry-Jones.

Kitten-made-the-Final,he-made-all-his-Finals,but.....he-missed-Best-Of-The-Best,by-1-point,guess-they-showed-me,lol,but-he-never-got-accused-of-not-being-a-kitten,the-rest-of-the-show.I-didn't-care-for-the-attitude,of-the-TICA-judges,the-TICA-exhibitors.

The-rest-of-this-discussion,needs-to-go-in-the-new-thread,lol,we-are-getting-boarderline.......

Hope-you-can-go-to-the-show,there-are-going-to-be-exhibitors-who-will-want-to-learn-more-about-the-Bengals,the-more-people-that-can-give-correct-information-about-them,the-better.