homemade raw supplement check

[hawaii500]

I'm Trying to round up the supplements for the following recipe:

http://feline-nutrition.org/nutrition/making-raw-cat-food-for-do-it-yourselfers

I know people, not particularly using the recipe, have experience with these commonly used supplements.  I'd be really grateful if anyone would be able

to see if I've made a dumb mistake. 

The recipe calls for 200mg b-complex, but I have no idea how to measure it.  Every B-complex I've found is listed as ingredients per tablet and not the total tablet. 

How would I calculate 200mg (or whatever), or am I looking at the wrong thing?

http://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/Buy/51602/Blackmores-Mega-B-Complex-31-Tablets  Vitamin B1 50mg Vitamin B2 50mg Nicotinamide 100mg Vitamin B5 45.8mg Vitamin B6 50mg Vitamin B12 100µg Vitamin H 50µg Choline bitartrate 50mg Inositol 50mg Folic Acid 300µg

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NOW-Food...007375?hash=item35eea43c0f:g:Cw8AAMXQ3kNTjEpe

Taurine (Free-Form)500 mg - Other Ingredients:  Rice flour and gelatin (capsule).

http://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/Buy/60902/Healthy-Care-Wild-Salmon-Oil-1000mg-500

Each capsule contains:  Fish Oil (Natural)(1000 mg) 1g.....Providing -  Eicosapentaenoic Acid (EPA) 180 mg  /     Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA) 120 mg

http://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/Buy/44373/Blackmores-Natural-Vitamin-E-100IU-42-Capsules

Active ingredient per capsule: Vitamin E (natural) 100IU, (d-alpha-Tocopherol 67mg).   100IU would be easier to use, though this is 'natural', but seems to have the same ingredients as other that don't say natural.  Such as:  http://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/Buy/58043/Healthy-Care-Vitamin-E-500IU-200-Capsules

Also,  When I was at the health food store they mentioned that the lite iodized salt in the supermarket might contain aluminum.  Any thoughts on this?

Thanks!

 

[mschauer]

Yeah, the B-Complex products are a bit annoying.  They are a mixture of several B vitamins. When the label says "B-Complex 200 mg" it means that each capsule contains 200 mg of each of the B vitamins it contains. Well, most of the time it means that. If you look at the back label you'll see how much of each of the vitamins it actually contains. Most of the B vitamins will be 200 mg but one or 2 may be less or more.

So, when a recipe calls for 200 mg B-Complex they are referring to what the front label says. So you want to use 2 capsules of something like this: NOW B-Complex 100

 http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NOW-Food...007375?hash=item35eea43c0f:g:Cw8AAMXQ3kNTjEpe
Taurine (Free-Form)500 mg - Other Ingredients:  Rice flour and gelatin (capsule).

Each capsule of that product contains 500 mg of taurine so you would use 4 capsules to get the 2000 mg called for in the recipe.

 http://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/Buy/60902/Healthy-Care-Wild-Salmon-Oil-1000mg-500
Each capsule contains:  Fish Oil (Natural)(1000 mg) 1g.....Providing -  Eicosapentaenoic Acid (EPA) 180 mg  /     Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA) 120 mg

Use 4 capsules of this to get 4000 mg salmon oil.

 http://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/Buy/44373/Blackmores-Natural-Vitamin-E-100IU-42-Capsules
Active ingredient per capsule: Vitamin E (natural) 100IU, (d-alpha-Tocopherol 67mg).   100IU would be easier to use, though this is 'natural', but seems to have the same ingredients as other that don't say natural.  Such as:  http://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/Buy/58043/Healthy-Care-Vitamin-E-500IU-200-Capsules

Use 2 capsules of this to get 200 IU.

 

[hawaii500]

Thanks for the reply,

So the others are ok? I notice sometimes a particular brand of vitamin will slip in an extra ingredient.

Would 'sustain-release' matter for the b-100?  http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-NOW-...550978?hash=item1eaacc8cc2:g:zAYAAOSwXshWq9fb

Or perhaps this: 

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-BLUE...322685?hash=item1eac2804bd:g:Gx0AAOSwUuFW0IgR

 

[mschauer]

I can't view the pages you've linked to because I'm at work and we are blocked from viewing ebay.

Generally you want to use supplements that just provide the nutrient you want with nothing extra. Capsules and tablets will of course have extra stuff listed in the ingredients as needed for manufacturing purposes but you don't want any product that says on the front label that it provides something more than what you want.

I believe 'sustained release' is accomplished by using special gel capsules or tablet coatings. You don't use the gel capsules and would crush tablets so you would lose the sustained release effect anyway. Those products usually cost more so there is no reason to buy them for the purpose of making home-made cat food. 

 

[hawaii500]

 
I believe 'sustained release' is accomplished by using special gel capsules or tablet coatings. You don't use the gel capsules and would crush tablets so you would lose the sustained release effect anyway. Those products usually cost more so there is no reason to buy them for the purpose of making home-made cat food. 

Thanks, makes sense.  I've found another so I think I'm set.  Actually the one thing I can't find I thought we be the easiest is the iodize lite salt.  I can't find even a mention of it in my country (austrlia).  It says you can use iodised and just half the amount.  Hmm, may have to order from overseas or something.

 

[mschauer]

The iodized salt is used as a source of iodine. There are other products you can use such as:

NOW Kelp

PURE potassium iodide

The 1 1/2 tsp of lite iodized salt called for in that recipe provides 360 mcg iodine. So just look for a product that will give you that.

 

[abby2932]

 
The iodized salt is used as a source of iodine. There are other products you can use such as:

NOW Kelp

PURE potassium iodide

The 1 1/2 tsp of lite iodized salt called for in that recipe provides 360 mcg iodine. So just look for a product that will give you that.

Is it safe to say that an appropriate amount of standardized Kelp for iodine purposes is 60 mcg per pound of food? I've been making food in 2lb batches recently so would I use 120 mcg Kelp in my supplement mix? The kelp comes in 150 mcg capsules...would it be dangerous to add the whole 150 for a 2lb batch or should toss a little bit?

One last question! Are you guys using the Now Kelp with Iodine only or the Now Kelp with Iodine and Dulse?

 

[mschauer]

Is it safe to say that an appropriate amount of standardized Kelp for iodine purposes is 60 mcg per pound of food? I've been making food in 2lb batches recently so would I use 120 mcg Kelp in my supplement mix? The kelp comes in 150 mcg capsules...would it be dangerous to add the whole 150 for a 2lb batch or should toss a little bit?

One last question! Are you guys using the Now Kelp with Iodine only or the Now Kelp with Iodine and Dulse?

No, you need approx 60 mcg of iodine per lb of food. How much of the kelp product you need depends on how much iodine there is per capsule. Unless what you mean is that the product you use has 150 mcg iodine per capsule? If so, using the entire capsule would still be a safe amount for your 2 lb of food.

I don't use kelp, I use lite salt. I don't know of any advantage or disadvantage of kelp only or kelp plus dulse.

 

[abby2932]

 
No, you need approx 60 mcg of iodine per lb of food. How much of the kelp product you need depends on how much iodine there is per capsule. Unless what you mean is that the product you use has 150 mcg iodine per capsule? If so, using the entire capsule would still be a safe amount for your 2 lb of food.

I don't use kelp, I use lite salt. I don't know of any advantage or disadvantage of kelp only or kelp plus dulse.

Whoops! That's what I meant, 60 mcg of iodine, thanks for clearing that up.

I understand, thanks for the response! =)

 

[tobilei]

Sorry, I haven't read this whole thread but I found this the other day and thought of you (it's a different recipe but the vitamin list at the end might be helpful, it also has links to exact supplements you can buy from iherb. They have reasonable shipping to Australia, I shop with them a fair bit): http://pawesomecats.com/2015/08/24/balanced-raw-recipe-for-cats-supplements/