Help! My cat is throwing up. Seeing a vet is not an option.

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Briefly, Friday night, one of my two kitties started behaving oddly.

I found her hiding behind the dinner table against the wall, and once I finally coaxed her out, she only relocated to hide behind my desk (also against the wall.) Saturday morning she was back to her old self again but by Saturday night, she ran out of the room when I announced it was "Treat Time!" rather than rush to my feet as always (I did coax her later to eat a few treats), followed later by the sound of her barfing in the middle of the night. The next morning, I threw away the new dry food I bought her out of concern there was something wrong with it.

All day Sunday/today, she was lethargic (ie: normal. She's a cat after all), but just a short while ago I discovered she barfed again on her way out of the litter box (couldn't she have barfed IN the litter box and not on my carpet?). I give my cats two different dry foods to choose from and the remaining bag was nearly finished, but since I had already tossed the other old food, I dumped out the second bowl as well and substituted wet food.

I lost another cat just over a year ago following the exact same pattern. The thought of going through this again is a nightmare. What do I do for a kitty with an upset stomach? (Please respond ASAP before it becomes chronic/fatal.)

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Here's why I'm avoiding the vet. It's a long sad story. Skip all this if you don't have the time.

As noted above, I had another cat (her brother) that went through the EXACT same thing in November of 2012. The first night he got sick, I thought nothing of it. The second night got me very concerned and after vomiting for the third night in a row, I rushed him to the vet, who suggested he had an infection of the pancreas and prescribed antibiotics.

But the vomiting returned a few days later so I took him to another vet. She felt his spleen was enlarged and ordered a needle biopsy. The biopsy found "mast cells" and diagnosed my poor cat with "cancer". I knew my cat did NOT have "cancer". All of a sudden? The vets explanation was that "it had probably always been there." Absurd. So I spent literally thousands of dollars taking him to other vets seeking a second opinion, but all they ever did was look at the first doctor's findings, agreed with them, and took my money, not once doing a second test.

Long story short, it took AN AUTOPSY 2-1/2 months later to discover my cat never had cancer but instead died of a completely curable stomach ulcer. The constant convulsions were injuring his spleen, explaining why it was flooded with non-cancerous Mast cells when they did the biopsy.

So pardon me if I think all these vets are full of cr@p with "cancer on the brain". What, do they just leap to the diagnosis of "cancer" when they haven't the foggiest what's wrong???

2-1/2 months after that, my mother was diagnosed as having cancer. Long story short, we buried my mother three weeks ago. An autopsy found NO SIGN OF CANCER IN HER SYSTEM (as I suspected, which is why I ordered the autopsy).

Now, just three weeks after all that, I have a sick cat again putting me through the exact same ordeal all over again! I just can't go through that again!

Any suggestions as to how to diagnose and treat a cat that is otherwise healthy but suddenly can't keep anything down?
 

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I hate what you & your cat are going through. I'm sorry I can't help, but do we have a medvet on here? I hope someone can help.

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So sorry to hear this.
First- some info please.

How old is your cat?
Inside or outside or combo?
Have you checked her carefully for any bite marks or wounds?
Could she have ingested anything out of the ordinary- plant, grass treated with pesticides,flowers, a rubber band?
Any diarrhea?
How much does she weigh and is she losing weight?

1/4 of a 10 mg Pepcid is helpful.Double check with your vet.
Make sure it is PLAIN (not extended release, not 20 mg max strength)

1/4 of tablet.

Coax her with boneless chicken tenders steamed or boiled, with a bit of low sodium, natural organic chicken broth.
If it continues,ask vet for subQ fluids and a long acting injection of Pepcid.
Please let me know how she's doing.
I'm so sorry for your recent losses.
 

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What is she throwing up? Is it liquid, foam, food, hair? You didn't exactly say & that could be key. I completely understand your frustration about doctors and them wrongly diagnosing illnesses, but I strongly urge you to PLEASE take that baby to a vet. If she's not keeping any food down, she isn't getting any nutrition and can develop hepatic lipidosis. If you tell the vet your story, they will probably listen to you. Tell them right off that you think she may have an ulcer like your other cat did. There are SO many reasons she could be throwing up, and there really isn't anyway to tell you what to do for her if you don't know what the cause is. You don't want to run the risk of making whatever it is worse by incorrectly treating it.
I'm sorry about your other kitty, And I'm sorry about your mom. I don't think anyone would blame you for being angry at doctors. I just hope you can push it aside right now for your cat's sake. I'm so sorry you've gotta go through this. Let us know how she's doing please.
 
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I'm so sorry for what happened before. But "cancer" is not a normal first thought as a cause of vomiting.

It's the vomiting on the way out of the litterbox that is concerning here. This is usually a sign of constipation. When it gets to that point, an enema is often in order, and that needs to be administered by a vet. Being accompanied by throwing up everything she's eating, and you're not left with many options, as she needs an anti-emetic to keep any meds down.

It is hairball season. I would not be the least bit surprised if she's got a hairball blockage. This can require surgery.

FYI an ultrasound can diagnose ulcers. My cat had cancer and stomach ulcers, and they are easily visible on ultrasound.

Vomiting everything they eat can also be pancreatitis. This is very painful, and she would need antibiotics, an anti-inflammatory, and pain meds.

Finally, as has already been pointed out, without keeping food down, your kitty may develop fatty liver. This can be difficult to manage, yet the treatment is simple and the situation quite preventable. She needs to keep food down.

A physical exam by a vet should result in the vet feeling something in her intestines or colon (or not). Next diagnostic steps would be x-ray and if nothing is seen or more detail needed, ultrasound. Blood work to run the spec fPLI may be done (pancreatitis).

You can try slippery elm and/or miralax, but without a vet indicating whether you're dealing with constipation or a blockage - or an inflamed organ - it's just a crap shoot. Meanwhile, if she's not eating or not keeping food down, time is ticking, and you're inviting liver problems. :(
 
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How old is your cat?
Inside or outside or combo?
Have you checked her carefully for any bite marks or wounds?
Could she have ingested anything out of the ordinary- plant, grass treated with pesticides,flowers, a rubber band?
Any diarrhea?
How much does she weigh and is she losing weight?

1/4 of a 10 mg Pepcid is helpful.Double check with your vet.
Make sure it is PLAIN (not extended release, not 20 mg max strength)

1/4 of tablet.

Coax her with boneless chicken tenders steamed or boiled, with a bit of low sodium, natural organic chicken broth.
If it continues,ask vet for subQ fluids and a long acting injection of Pepcid.
Please let me know how she's doing.
I'm so sorry for your recent losses.
Thanks for the reply.

"Knuckles" is 7 years old (I found her and her brother under the hood of my car on 9/11/06). Her brother "Lefty" passed away this year and her sister "Mugsy" is doing fine.

These are strictly indoor cats, though on rare occasion I do allow them out on the patio of my apartment. The last time was several weeks ago, so I don't believe it is anything acquired from outside. No sign of bite marks (though it is too hard to tell through her dense short fur), and she may have scratches from fighting with her sister, but again, almost impossible to see.

No plants or pesticides. A "rubber band" is a definite possibility as she loves to chew on small "spongy" things (I've had to cover every thin electrical wire in my home with plastic tubing because it's so bad), and she has snatched rubber bands off my desk before, but I've incredibly careful not to leave any rubber bands out where she can get to them because I know if I do, she'll swipe them. I think a rubber band is unlikely, but the chances she ate something she shouldn't have are high.

No diarrhea, though I'm not 100% sure she has even pooped recently now that you mention it. I don't recall hearing her scratch in the literbox recently. Interestingly, I remember noticing the same thing with her brother last year. The vet had gotten him to poop but the vomiting continued (probably b/c by that time he had developed an ulcer.)

Her normal weight is about 12 pounds. I haven't weighed her recently but I'm sure she is losing weight from not eating.

On the cooked plain chicken, amazingly, these cats absolutely refuse to eat "people food" (I trained them well). I even had to mash up their wet food with a fork or else they'll leave the big chunks behind. There's no way I could get her to eat boiled chicken or drink broth. They won't even drink warm milk! Amazing.

You've given me some good leads. I'll start looking at possible constipation. Any ideas how to treat that? I know "Pepto Bismol" is a big no-no.

Thx.
 
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What is she throwing up? Is it liquid, foam, food, hair? You didn't exactly say & that could be key. I completely understand your frustration about doctors and them wrongly diagnosing illnesses, but I strongly urge you to PLEASE take that baby to a vet. If she's not keeping any food down, she isn't getting any nutrition and can develop hepatic lipidosis. If you tell the vet your story, they will probably listen to you. Tell them right off that you think she may have an ulcer like your other cat did. There are SO many reasons she could be throwing up, and there really isn't anyway to tell you what to do for her if you don't know what the cause is. You don't want to run the risk of making whatever it is worse by incorrectly treating it.
I'm sorry about your other kitty, And I'm sorry about your mom. I don't think anyone would blame you for being angry at doctors. I just hope you can push it aside right now for your cat's sake. I'm so sorry you've gotta go through this. Let us know how she's doing please.
Thanks for the reply.

Knuckles threw up again last night. At 3am, sleeping on the floor next to my bed, she suddenly let out a very loud cry: MEOW-ROW!

I switched on the light and she did it again, then got up and slowly walked to the bathroom (where her literbox is). I followed her and she made it into the bathroom before she started convulsing and I managed to turn her over the tile so it would be easier to clean up.

The first two times she vomited, it was filled with food, but last night it was nothing but liquid (she apparently didn't eat yesterday). All three times it was a dark-dark brown, the color of one of the dry foods I had been giving her (IAMS Digestive Care), but I tossed it out yesterday morning, so it now seems unlikely to be getting its color from that. There was no yellow/bile in it and I carefully looked for any sign of "red" but saw none. Just that dark-dark brown liquid almost like chocolate syrup (no, it wasn't chocolate syrup. I have none). No hair in it either. Strictly thick dark liquid.

I'm going to look at the possibility of "constipation" or a bowel obstruction. If she doesn't poop today, I'll find a vet I can trust.

Thx.
 
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I'm so sorry for what happened before. But "cancer" is not a normal first thought as a cause of vomiting.

It's the vomiting on the way out of the litterbox that is concerning here. This is usually a sign of constipation. When it gets to that point, an enema is often in order, and that needs to be administered by a vet. Being accompanied by throwing up everything she's eating, and you're not left with many options, as she needs an anti-emetic to keep any meds down.
Thanks for all the great info. I'm definitely looking into the "constipation" angle.

"Pancreatitis" is the misdiagnosis the first vet gave my late cat Lefty when he was doing the exact same thing. A friend of my sister mentioned that her dogs' stomach had "flipped", but I checked online and the symptomology is all wrong (she isn't puking every few minutes and her abdomen isn't in pain.)

She only vomited upon leaving the literbox once, but you're right that it does suggest a connection.

Any idea how to treat constipation in cats?
 

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Well, pancreatitis isn't vomiting every few minutes. (And there are two types of pancreatitis that are quite different: chronic vs acute). And with the "MEOW-ROW" I'm going to disagree that she's not in pain. Having worked with a LOT of cats that have needed medical care for a very wide range of problems, I can very confidently say that cats are masters at hiding pain, and if they express anything that indicates pain, they're in pain.

I would not attempt to treat this kind of constipation on your own. Not having eaten for a day with ongoing vomiting even when not having eaten, the last thing you want to do is put more things in her without knowing you'll be able to get things moving through. If she's blocked with impacted stool or hair, traditional methods of treating constipation are not going to resolve the problem. One thing is for sure - you do NOT want to try to treat her constipation with fiber. Not when it's progressed this far, this long. This could really complicate things if she's impacted.

I would get to a vet today. I would not let her continue to suffer with this, and she does need to be able to eat or she does risk the complication of liver problems.

As to the blood in vomit. If there is red blood in it, that only indicates some ruptured vessels in the esophagus, and that's from irritation from vomiting. Any blood from the stomach would not be red or fresh. When a cat has bleeding ulcers, for instance, the vomit looks like coffee grounds. Blood, when it comes out of a cat, is very dark, almost black. Upper GI bleeding can be seen in stool when it is dark and tarry.
 
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I would get to a vet today.
Thanks. I will call a vet today (though you can understand my reluctance).

I did manage to give her some olive oil this morning (the good stuff), about two tablespoons worth squirted into her mouth. I gave her a treat afterward but she had difficulty eating it. It kept dropping out of her mouth and didn't finish it until it had sufficiently softened, making me wonder if there is a dental issue involved... though that might not account for the vomiting.

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Having a terrible experience with a vet is a great reason to fire that vet and never use them again, it is not a good reason to condemn the profession and avoid vets when your cat is sick.  It's like saying a medical doctor misdiagnosed my mom so i'm never going to go to a doctor again.

It's great that you will contact a vet, obviously not the one from before.  Feel free to explain your reluctance to them and the past history so they can help give you the confidence to do the right things.
 
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Thanks. I've scheduled to drop her off at a vet today @ 3pm for observation overnight.

Sadly, it wasn't just one vet but a series of them (about six). The first misdiagnosing pancreatitis, the second misdiagnosing cancer, followed by a series of specialists that did nothing but look at the cancer diagnosis, agree with it, took my money and sent me home with a sick cat.

The vet I'm seeing today is the last vet I took Lefty too, who I feel is a bit more trustworthy because he was supposed to remove his spleen, but refused out of concern that if the "cancer" had spread to his bones, removing his spleen would kill him, and referred me to another place to have the test done before taking my money.

I want to nip this in the bud before it spirals out of control the way it did with her brother. Just as important, I have the third cat (all siblings) and need to know how to avoid this from happening to her as well.
 

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I'm so sorry to hear about the terrible experiences you've had - I can definitely relate, but with my birds and finding a decent avian vet. I had my fair share of awful experiences with vets who, while they were well-meaning, weren't as knowledgeable as I needed for my pets. Very glad to hear she'll be seen and observed, and they can ensure she gets hydration and food energy in the meantime too.
 

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Thanks. I've scheduled to drop her off at a vet today @ 3pm for observation overnight.
That's interesting. Was this your idea or ... ? Because for something like this, I'd think a regular vet visit, while you are there for the exam and can ask questions, discuss options, etc. would be all that's needed? This seems a bit like overkill to me, right out of the gate, so to speak. Was this how your cats were generally seen and treated previously?

IDK - maybe it's just me - but I prefer a somewhat "hands on" approach, where I am engaged in diagnostics and treatment.
 
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That's interesting. Was this your idea or ... ? Because for something like this, I'd think a regular vet visit, while you are there for the exam and can ask questions, discuss options, etc. would be all that's needed? This seems a bit like overkill to me, right out of the gate, so to speak. Was this how your cats were generally seen and treated previously?

IDK - maybe it's just me - but I prefer a somewhat "hands on" approach, where I am engaged in diagnostics and treatment.
I don't have the best experience with doctors. The mis-diagnosed me 25 years ago and nearly killed me. They mis-diagnosed my cat "Lefty" is 2012 an DID kill him. 2-1/2 later, they mis-diagnosed my mother and killed her too three weeks ago.

I just returned from the vet. He discovered blood when he took her temperature rectally, blood around her eyes and bruising on her tongue. He told me to rush her to the Emergency Animal Hospital fearing she's bleeding internally and might bleed-out to death by morning. She's at the Vet ER now and will spend at least one night if not more there. Her blood-count is low from all the vomiting (only three times, but enough for a small cat) so she's not clotting. No clue what caused the vomiting to begin with but an x-ray showed no obstruction. They will do an ultrasound in the morning. The vet will give her an IV to restore the fluids lost from vomiting so much, so I expect her to feel much better tomorrow.

Having another... family member... deathly ill after just losing two in close succession is almost more than I can bear.
 

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I am sorry you are going through this and they figure out what is going on with your kitty.  I am with you to a point about some vets.  I did 6 years of vet hopping with a kitty that had episodes of digestive issues, which included two hospitalizations, many x-rays, and one trip to the ER.  I did finally find a good vet that got things figured out and he has been much better now for over 3 years.  
 

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Oh NO! I'm so sorry - but thank goodness you took her in! Many, many vibes she'll be OK! :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes:

...do you know if they'd checked her kidney levels yet? This is just so odd - I'm wondering if she could somehow have eaten a poisoned mouse or something? I'm assuming her red blood cell count is low from the bleeding, not the vomiting. I do hope they're able to find a solution and the cause!

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