Has Anyone Actually Brought Their Raw Recipe Into A Vet Or Nutritionist For Testing?

[saleri]

Just curious, the closest I've heard was when Dr. Pierson mentioned to me that one of her clients brought it to a testing place, and they found out it was very low in one vitamin, can't remember, but she dismissed it.

So has anyone had their recipes tested out professionally?

 

[Tobermory]

Not tested, but I wrote out Dr. Pierson’s recipe and gave a copy to my holistic vet who said it looked good. He feeds raw himself. I don’t know if he makes food, but he does feed Rad Cat.

I haven’t shared the recipe with my traditional medicine vet but plan to do that when the girls go in for their regular checkups. I just started feeding raw in December and haven’t had them to their regular vet since then.

 

[saleri]

Not tested, but I wrote out Dr. Pierson’s recipe and gave a copy to my holistic vet who said it looked good. He feeds raw himself. I don’t know if he makes food, but he does feed Rad Cat.

I haven’t shared the recipe with my traditional medicine vet but plan to do that when the girls go in for their regular checkups. I just started feeding raw in December and haven’t had them to their regular vet since then.

Was just curious since traditional vets always say if you're going to make a raw diet to work with a cat nutritionist. I just wonder what that recipe would look like.

You should let us know what they find out!

 

[1 bruce 1]

Nope. Never.

 

[mschauer]

Was just curious since traditional vets always say if you're going to make a raw diet to work with a cat nutritionist. I just wonder what that recipe would look like.

You should let us know what they find out!

All a feline nutritionist would do is compare the recipe against AAFCO recommendations. You can see example recipes where I have done that here:

Raw Recipes - Google Drive

I need to update those with the latest AAFCO recommendations but there wouldn't be a lot of changes.

 

[saleri]

All a feline nutritionist would do is compare the recipe against AAFCO recommendations. You can see example recipes where I have done that here:

Raw Recipes - Google Drive

I need to update those with the latest AAFCO recommendations but there wouldn't be a lot of changes.

Okay thanks. I may steal your pork recipe, cause right now all I'm feeding my cats is the chicken recipe from dr. pierson and I want to add variety.

Is the recipe a grinded one? Also I'm slightly concerned with giving my cats beef meat since I heard cats are more likely to be allergic?

 

[mazie]

I've always wondered, can a cat contract "worms" from feeding on commercially bought Raw cat food?

 

[mschauer]

Yes, you can use ground meat with all those recipes.

I'm currently trying to determine if beef is the cause of IBD in my own cat. I have reason to think it is. It's hard to get a clear picture just from on-line posts, but beef does seem to be reported a lot as a problem for cats.

 

[saleri]

Yes, you can use ground meat with all those recipes.

I'm currently trying to determine if beef is the cause of IBD in my own cat. I have reason to think it is. It's hard to get a clear picture just from on-line posts, but beef does seem to be reported a lot as a problem for cats.

Yeah I first heard it from Dr. Pierson, who doesn't use any beef or really any seafood. And read a study that seems to agree.

What Is Grain Free Pet Food, Really? | petMD

"In cats, the situation is similar. Fifty-six cats were evaluated in this study2. Forty-five of the food allergies resulted from eating beef, dairy, and/or fish."

 

[mschauer]

When I get a chance I'll take a closer look at that study. It looks like it included dogs as well as cats. My vet who has been a feline specialist her entire, long, career says she has seen food sensitivities to a wide variety of proteins. I've never asked her though if in her experience one was more common than others.

 

[saleri]

When I get a chance I'll take a closer look at that study. It looks like it included dogs as well as cats. My vet who has been a feline specialist her entire, long, career says she has seen food sensitivities to a wide variety of proteins. I've never asked her though if in her experience one was more common than others.

Yeah the only interesting part is that it actually had a study on a small sample of cats. Purely anecdotal but the one time my kitten got beef she got sick. Granted it was a ribeye so it was pretty fatty, and this is just a random example.

 

[Azazel]

I’m really lucky to have a wonderful vet who goes out of her way to work with me. I follow slight variations of Dr. P’s recipe and I’ve consulted with my vet about it. She’s gone as far as to double check numbers and make sure the nutrient values are sufficient.

 

[lisamarie12]

I'm currently trying to determine if beef is the cause of IBD in my own cat. I have reason to think it is. It's hard to get a clear picture just from on-line posts, but beef does seem to be reported a lot as a problem for cats.

This article may be of interest:

Are Exotic Meats Nutritious or a Novelty? - Feline Nutrition Foundation

Re beef:

"What this means is that cats can and will eat most exotic meats. Whether they should or not is actually harder to answer.

Take beef for example. Cats wouldn't naturally hunt cattle, so for a cat, it is an exotic food. In my professional experience, I have found that cats fed daily on beef have a higher incidence of asthma and allergies. Beef is a meat that is higher in histidine than other meats, and histidine can cause inflammation.³ Ingesting higher levels of histidine, over the long term, can result in a zinc or copper deficiency.⁴ Zinc is an important co-factor for digestive enzymes and for the production of hydrochloric acid, so it is very important in cats with IBD.⁵ Copper helps tyrosine work as a pigment factor in fur and a loss of coat color is one of the early signs of a copper deficiency.⁶ In my practice, we often see cats fed only beef developing a change in coat color from black to rusty brown."

 

[1 bruce 1]

This article may be of interest:

Are Exotic Meats Nutritious or a Novelty? - Feline Nutrition Foundation

Re beef:

"What this means is that cats can and will eat most exotic meats. Whether they should or not is actually harder to answer.

Take beef for example. Cats wouldn't naturally hunt cattle, so for a cat, it is an exotic food. In my professional experience, I have found that cats fed daily on beef have a higher incidence of asthma and allergies. Beef is a meat that is higher in histidine than other meats, and histidine can cause inflammation.³ Ingesting higher levels of histidine, over the long term, can result in a zinc or copper deficiency.⁴ Zinc is an important co-factor for digestive enzymes and for the production of hydrochloric acid, so it is very important in cats with IBD.⁵ Copper helps tyrosine work as a pigment factor in fur and a loss of coat color is one of the early signs of a copper deficiency.⁶ In my practice, we often see cats fed only beef developing a change in coat color from black to rusty brown."

I've heard the same argument that beef cattle is not a natural prey of a domestic cat and the more I read the more interesting this becomes.
Two cats actively cannot handle beef here, and I'm wondering if I should nix beef all together for my asthmatic/IBD case. He likes it, but he also likes poultry.
Hmmm...

 

[mschauer]

Beef is a meat that is higher in histidine than other meats, and histidine can cause inflammation.³ Ingesting higher levels of histidine, over the long term, can result in a zinc or copper deficiency.⁴

Higher than what? According to the USDA database beef is a little higher in histidine than chicken but pork is higher in histidine than beef. Seems if that were the problem we would be talking about cats having a problem with pork, not beef.

And chicken is a lot higher in histidine than duck. So does that mean we shouldn't be feeding chicken? I don't know. Seems like a case of correlation doesn't equal causation to me.

Lets face it, chicken isn't a cats natural prey either. Sure it's a bird but a cow is a mammal just as a mouse is so if we can call a chicken natural for a cat why can't we say the same for a cow? Of course if beef makes our cats puke who cares if it is natural part of a cats diet or not?

Oh, and I know of lots of black cats with brownish coats that aren't fed only beef.

 

[lisamarie12]

Higher than what? According to the USDA database beef is a little higher in histidine than chicken but pork is higher in histidine than beef. Seems if that were the problem we would be talking about cats having a problem with pork, not beef.

Oh, and I know of lots of black cats with brownish coats that aren't fed only beef.

The author is referring to raw fed cats / beef in New Zealand that she has observed in her practice, I guess I would question the source of New Zealand's beef and if a comparison can be made with our USDA data, don't know ... in any event, Dr. Jean Hofve also states beef as a common allergen, besides chicken and fish -- but I guess your best bet is just trial and error.

 

[mschauer]

I don't question that beef can be an allergen. I know it can be. Any protein can be an allergen. I question the authors histidine theory as to why beef may be a more common allergen than other proteins. And I'm pretty sure she is just presenting it as a theory, not as a fact.