Edgar's Experience With Lymphoma

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We've been lucky enough to have Edgar in our lives since late June of 2009. He was born April 4th of the same year. He's always been such a healthy and happy cat, so this has all been such a shock. He's my very first cat, and we have been through many trials and errors of me trying to do what I believe is best in every aspect of his life. In September, we took him to the vet because he was having what I believed was an excessive amount of hairball vomiting. He was vomiting about once a week and had gone from 11 pounds to 10. The vet did a complete work up on him and reported that everything was normal and he was quite healthy. He felt no lumps and nothing seemed abnormal. From kitten to age 2, I fed him a raw diet but switched to Natural Balance dry when we went on a 10 day trip and had to have a sitter. He liked the dry so much that I left him on that diet, also giving him cooked chicken or sardines a few times a week. In October we moved and his vomiting increased, I believed due to stress and a hairball he kept chewing back down. He developed an aversion to the dry food, so I decided to transition back to the raw diet. He seemed thrilled to be back on raw. He had more energy and increased appetite until Friday-Saturday, New Years Eve weekend, when he started eating less and less and not playing. Sunday he refused raw completely so I went shopping an offered him an arsenal of options, including chicken baby food, 20 different gravy loaded wet cat foods (all brands), sardines, tuna juice, egg yolk, and even Braunschweiger. He only accepted very wet things slightly warmed. I was able to get the emg vet on the phone and her advice was keep doing what I was doing and come in on Tuesday at 8 AM. By Monday, I wasn't eating or sleeping more than a few hours. I had been offering Edgar different options every 30 min to hour. He found this quite irritating. I was heating myself up some greens and Edgar started smacking his mouth, the way he does on a car trip, and I realized OMG he's nauseated. Keep in mind, I am not a veterinarian and do not recommend anyone give medication to their pet without advice from a vet. After researching online, I decided, (without vet approval) to give Edgar 1mg of Zofran that I had on hand. After an hour he started eating but he still was only eating about a tsp every few hours. What he liked best was Sheba Perfect Portions Tuna, and Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers, The next morning, Tuesday, was when the bad news started really rolling in. The vet felt a lump in his tummy. After an x-ray she was confident it wasn't an obstruction and after iv fluids, a shot of pepcid, and a prednisone, we headed to a specialist to get an ultrasound. I will never forget the cold, matter-of-fact way the technician informed us that it was cancer, probably Lymphoma, and it was in his stomach and intestines. It was so much information so fast, it was like I couldn't process anything, I just burst into tears. We decided to do the aspirate and take things day by day. Wednesday, we received yet another blow, it was large cell lymphoma, the faster growing, harder to treat cancer. Meanwhile, Edgar was eating really well, but only if the food was not too chunky. The vet gave the okay to give him pepcid, once a day. I crush up 1/4th of a pill and syringe give it with a little water. He eats immediately after. We transitioned from him eating 1 tsp hourly to every 2-3 hours eating 2-3 tablespoons. Friday we met with the oncologist and started the Wisconsin treatment plan. He was positive about Edgar's eating and lack of vomiting. He has Cerenia for vomiting but so far hasn't needed it. I was told not to worry about the lack of bowel movement but by Friday night there was a very large poop right on the floor by the toilet and I was so happy to see it I wasn't even mad! Today is Sunday, it's been a full week and I finally got a good nights sleep. This morning however Edgar decided he was done with pills. His little jaw was clamped so tight it nearly broke my heart. He had been doing so well with me, but yesterday I had to go to work for the first day since all of this, and DH was in charge. I found yesterdays pill on the rug so I'm not sure what went down while I was away. Edgar refused to eat until I returned, which makes me so reluctant to go anywhere. Anyway, I crushed up the prednisone and syringed fed it. He ate this morning and is napping at my feet. I'm putting it off, but I really need to go the store and get some supplements. I think that is everything. When Edgar was a kitten he would fall at my feet but the first time he did it I said, "aww, are you my buddy?" Since then, a lot of the time, I call him Buddy. I have a lot of nicknames I use though, depending on the situation. I go through nickname phases. There is baby, sweet, sugar, love, muffin, bobo, Edgar Van Buren, Edgar Bear. I don't think I have ever felt such unconditional love.
 

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I'm so sorry to hear that you & your kitty are going through this. Our situations are quite similar actually- my cat was just "diagnosed" with small cell lymphoma a few days ago (we're unable to do a biopsy, but the vet is quite certain it's lymphoma). It's heartbreaking to see our companions get so sick when there are limited options with how to help them. Is surgery an option to remove the mass in Edgar?

Keeping trying your best to give him the medications that he needs, & just try to keep him happy & eating for as long as he possibly can. You came to the right place to get help & support. I can't really give a ton of help since I too am just beginning this journey with my cat, but if you ever just need to vent, let me know :heartshape:

The medication has worked wonders for my cat in getting her to eat & get back to normal for the time-being, so hopefully if you can get it into Edgar, he can start feeling better too (I just put the pill in a little ball of her wet food & she doesn't even notice it- maybe you could try this with Edgar?)
 
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Hi alzycat! I'm sorry you're going through this too, it's gut wrenching isn't it? Surgery isn't an option for Edgar because the tumor is too large on the stomach wall, and also in the intestines. That's an excellent idea about putting the pill in the food, thank you! I am definitely going to try that in the morning because he clenched his jaw down so hard today and flattened his ears at me. He opened up and took the pill like a champ for 4 days so I wasn't expecting that. I purchased a pill popper, but I can't get a handle on how to use it. He has refused dinner and is sleeping in his crate, instead of beside me, which worries me because I fear he's feeling nauseated. As soon as I typed that he jumped up and asked for a pet. I think I am just extremely anxious and over analyzing his every move. I roasted beef bone marrow and have been adding 1 tsp to his food as well as home made chicken bone broth and beef bone broth, since he isn't drinking from his water bowl at all, and I add 2-3 T per meal. He seemed to have more energy with the addition of these two things. When I came home from the store earlier, I noticed that he had pulled a red ball from the toy box and it was in the middle of the bed! Every night I gather up all the toys and return them to the bin so I always know when and what he's been playing with. This is the first time in over a week I have seen a toy. :cheerleader:
 

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I’m sorry you are going through this. I totally understand the stress and anxiety and I’ve had a few sleepless nights myself as of late. My kitty is a terror when it comes to pills so we had the Pred made up in liquid with a tuna flavor. They gave me an option of, I think, 5 flavors. I think she actually likes it as she doesn’t fight me as much when I give it to her. I spoke to the pharmacist about making a topical if I was unable to give via syringe and he said he could do it. It gets rubbed in their ears. Maybe you could ask the vet about those options if it’s becoming too difficult to give the pill.
 
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Edgar has been eating so well! He really loves beef bone marrow and chicken broth on his food! He had the stinkiest poop this morning :poop: but I'm glad things are moving through and it was solid. My sister suggested I start a Go fund me, so I got that going today. I don't like asking for help but I thought even just a little would help so much. I'm a personal assistant and organizer and this time of year is really slow for me. I have a few regular clients I see that keep rent paid. I went in to cancel my YMCA membership because I haven't been going and it just seems really extraneous. I liked the pool, hot tub and sauna for stress, but that's $34 a month I can spend on the chemo.

I visited with a dear friend today who found me some kefir grains and so I have my first batch of fresh kefir going! I plan on giving him 1/8th of a tsp to start. With the cancer being in his stomach and intestines and the chemo going in I think he needs all the healthy things within reason that I can add. He takes supplements daily when I'm not feeding him the commercial. I regret ever giving him commercial food. I can't help but think it's my fault this happened because I got lazy with his diet for so long. He takes 250 mg of taurine, 1/4th a capsule of digestive enzymes, 1/3 capsule of fish oil, and a tiny sprinkle of acidophilous (baby). Most of the supplements are the Jarrow brand except maybe the fish oil.

I try to vary his meats but he loves chicken (legs, thighs, whole, gizzards, hearts) turkey (all), eggs, cornish hen, beef (roast or steak he gets when we're having it), occasional crab legs, and sardines. He does not like liver. He won't eat it mixed in or alone. He refuses quail also. I am going to try rabbit and duck asap. I'm also going to try cooked livers. If he refuses it DH loves chicken livers fried. For Edgar, I plan to lightly pan heat it with no oil or bake it. With cooking his food and not giving it raw I need to figure out the missing bones from his diet and how to adjust. I read something about grinding egg shells.

This morning I tried hiding the prednisone in his food in three little chunks. I covered them in marrow and then made a little chicken ball. When I heard the first one crunch I thought oh no! Then he very carefully checked each bite by taking it out of the bowl and getting the other two pill chunks out of the food. He's too smart for his own good. I had to give them by hand but he didn't give me any trouble today.

I was worried he would be ill today because it's been 3 days since chemo, but he seems to be doing just the same. Oh, I didn't give him Pepcid today. I read that it can interfere with nutrient absorption. The vet never prescribed it, but had given him the shot when I took him in. I asked if it was okay, and was given the go ahead. As long as he is eating and not vomiting or nauseated, I'm not sure that it's needed.

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Fuchsiaslove Fuchsiaslove Aw I'm sorry that putting the pill in his food didn't work out. At least he took it by hand! And it's great to hear that he is going #2 and eating. All we can do is try to keep them as happy and comfortable for as long as we possibly can, and it sounds like you're doing just that. :heartshape: The time and dedication you're putting into his care is nothing short of unconditional love.
 
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Good morning Alzycat! :wave2: Thanks, how are you guys doing?

Edgar update:
This morning we had a huge success with pills! I watched a video someone had posted and realized maybe I was holding him awkwardly. He lays on his back in my lap for nail trimming so I was using that position, but I thought maybe it's hard to swallow laying back like that. In this mornings food I finished of the last 1/4th of a taurine supplement and I thought what if?! I broke the prednisone in half and added the other half to equal his 7.5 mg and popped the top back on. I was a little worried about it's size even after trimming it as much as I could (probably half size or less). It was almost perfectly round after trimming. I got a tiny syringe with water for after because that just seemed right. This time I sat him in my lap and I used my left hand to come up behind his head and gently grab his top jaw and my right hand, with the pill in it, using my pointer finger to gently put pressure on his bottom jaw. He opened right up with barely any pressure needed I popped the pill in as far back as I could and closed my hands gently around his face so he couldn't start chomping. He immediately relaxed and I removed my hands. I rubbed under his chin a little to see if he was going to spit anything out and nothing! I syringed a tiny bit of water and he let it dribble out with out moving, a second time and he swallowed. Mega butt pats after that because that's his favorite. He ate a few minutes after and is resting at my feet now.
 
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Edgar update:
Edgar gained weight this week! He's up from 8.38 to an even 9 lbs! :yess: They gave him Cytoxan and Lasix yesterday, in pill form. He has not had as much appetite today, but he has been playing more and more.

I however am not doing as well. I feel like the walking dead. I'm not sleeping well. Every time I hear a noise I bolt up in bed. I sleep two or three hours and then I'm up feeding and checking on Edgar. It doesn't help that we are trying to buy a house right now also. We're renting a small place while the majority of everything we own is packed and in storage. We made a solid offer on a third house yesterday and the owner says he won't respond until after his open house and the bank holiday. I feel so numb about it I don't even care. I'm back on gamls picking out other options. :dizzy:
 
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Edgar has been so lethargic that I've been worried he has a fever after the Cytoxan treatment Friday. His temperature has been normal though. This morning I tried a bit of peanut butter on the prednisone and he took them better, less trying to chew them. I'm not working today, other than billing for the therapist client, from home, so I will be able to monitor him better. I gave him 1/4 of a Cerenia tablet last night because he was laying like a limp noodle. He didn't have a fever and he was drinking the broth off food but not eating the meat. A few hours after the nausea med he ate the meat. DH bought him a bunch of packets of Blue Buffalo grain free packets in an attempt to make my life easier, and Edgar eats it like he's been starved. There's apparently only 3 flavors: cocaine, meth, and heroine. I'm just glad he's eating!
 
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Today was edgar's 3rd chemo treatment. Yesterday, he didn't eat well after his 9am feeding. I gave him prednisone before i left for work and when I came back at 6pm he hadn't eaten anything but chicken broth DH said. I have him cerenia for nausea and he threw up half an hour later. I woke at 4am to him vomiting foamy liquid. I gave him more cerenia and pepcid and we headed to the vet at 7am. They said he was doing well but gave me a new medication mirtazapine. So, now he's to have the three pills every morning which are really 6 after i make them smaller. I don't know how long I can keep this up. I was devastated giving him these pills. He ate a little this afternoon but has refused dinner. I keep putting out fresh but he's not having it. His weight maintained this week instead of gaining. I felt better when he was having good days, playing and eating. Now I'm questioning my selfishness. I'm anxious for the scan but it's 3 weeks away. We haven't even done the worst chemo... that's next Friday. It's going to be a rough few weeks.
 

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We've been lucky enough to have Edgar in our lives since late June of 2009. He was born April 4th of the same year. He's always been such a healthy and happy cat, so this has all been such a shock. He's my very first cat, and we have been through many trials and errors of me trying to do what I believe is best in every aspect of his life. In September, we took him to the vet because he was having what I believed was an excessive amount of hairball vomiting. He was vomiting about once a week and had gone from 11 pounds to 10. The vet did a complete work up on him and reported that everything was normal and he was quite healthy. He felt no lumps and nothing seemed abnormal. From kitten to age 2, I fed him a raw diet but switched to Natural Balance dry when we went on a 10 day trip and had to have a sitter. He liked the dry so much that I left him on that diet, also giving him cooked chicken or sardines a few times a week. In October we moved and his vomiting increased, I believed due to stress and a hairball he kept chewing back down. He developed an aversion to the dry food, so I decided to transition back to the raw diet. He seemed thrilled to be back on raw. He had more energy and increased appetite until Friday-Saturday, New Years Eve weekend, when he started eating less and less and not playing. Sunday he refused raw completely so I went shopping an offered him an arsenal of options, including chicken baby food, 20 different gravy loaded wet cat foods (all brands), sardines, tuna juice, egg yolk, and even Braunschweiger. He only accepted very wet things slightly warmed. I was able to get the emg vet on the phone and her advice was keep doing what I was doing and come in on Tuesday at 8 AM. By Monday, I wasn't eating or sleeping more than a few hours. I had been offering Edgar different options every 30 min to hour. He found this quite irritating. I was heating myself up some greens and Edgar started smacking his mouth, the way he does on a car trip, and I realized OMG he's nauseated. Keep in mind, I am not a veterinarian and do not recommend anyone give medication to their pet without advice from a vet. After researching online, I decided, (without vet approval) to give Edgar 1mg of Zofran that I had on hand. After an hour he started eating but he still was only eating about a tsp every few hours. What he liked best was Sheba Perfect Portions Tuna, and Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers, The next morning, Tuesday, was when the bad news started really rolling in. The vet felt a lump in his tummy. After an x-ray she was confident it wasn't an obstruction and after iv fluids, a shot of pepcid, and a prednisone, we headed to a specialist to get an ultrasound. I will never forget the cold, matter-of-fact way the technician informed us that it was cancer, probably Lymphoma, and it was in his stomach and intestines. It was so much information so fast, it was like I couldn't process anything, I just burst into tears. We decided to do the aspirate and take things day by day. Wednesday, we received yet another blow, it was large cell lymphoma, the faster growing, harder to treat cancer. Meanwhile, Edgar was eating really well, but only if the food was not too chunky. The vet gave the okay to give him pepcid, once a day. I crush up 1/4th of a pill and syringe give it with a little water. He eats immediately after. We transitioned from him eating 1 tsp hourly to every 2-3 hours eating 2-3 tablespoons. Friday we met with the oncologist and started the Wisconsin treatment plan. He was positive about Edgar's eating and lack of vomiting. He has Cerenia for vomiting but so far hasn't needed it. I was told not to worry about the lack of bowel movement but by Friday night there was a very large poop right on the floor by the toilet and I was so happy to see it I wasn't even mad! Today is Sunday, it's been a full week and I finally got a good nights sleep. This morning however Edgar decided he was done with pills. His little jaw was clamped so tight it nearly broke my heart. He had been doing so well with me, but yesterday I had to go to work for the first day since all of this, and DH was in charge. I found yesterdays pill on the rug so I'm not sure what went down while I was away. Edgar refused to eat until I returned, which makes me so reluctant to go anywhere. Anyway, I crushed up the prednisone and syringed fed it. He ate this morning and is napping at my feet. I'm putting it off, but I really need to go the store and get some supplements. I think that is everything. When Edgar was a kitten he would fall at my feet but the first time he did it I said, "aww, are you my buddy?" Since then, a lot of the time, I call him Buddy. I have a lot of nicknames I use though, depending on the situation. I go through nickname phases. There is baby, sweet, sugar, love, muffin, bobo, Edgar Van Buren, Edgar Bear. I don't think I have ever felt such unconditional love.
 

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Hello I too am going through the same situation with my baby Spike..I adopted him in 2008 when he was just a baby..and have always made sure he at the right foods and such..in October 2017 I returned from vacation to find him extra plump from the pet sitter..put him on weight management /digestive health AD food and in December that's when I noticed he was losing ALOT of weight..by then he was back on regular dry food but having issues chewing it..would flick his head and it would come out in pieces..thought it was dental. Then he lost interest in food..so not him...fast forward to this past we'd when I got the call it was large cell lymphoma and all I could do is help keep him comfortable with treatment..I have an apt Monday with the oncologist to find out the exact details and what if any treatments are available.. I'm just stunned..as you said I have been like the walking dead..I don't sleep anymore making sure all his needs are met..I was quite anxious to get him on something since this is deemed such an aggressive cancer and I had to wait four days for appt..he is on predinsonole 2x a day..and and appetite stimulant ..he perked up with first doses and seems interested in eating but small pieces or pate..wants hard treats but still can't get them down...I am still syringe feeding him high caloric food too to help out..I'm just at a loss..my life has come to a complete stop...I'm with you and Edgar here ..any tips you have for me are appreciated..sending love and prayers..
 
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Hi Lori,
I'm so sorry about Spike. With Edgar, he doesn't eat when he is nauseated, so if I can control the nausea he starts eating again. The oncologist gave him Cerenia and said it is the best med for chemo treatment, but before going to him I had given Edgar Zofran/Ondansetron (without vet approval) and he responded very well to it. I like it because it is a tiny tiny pill whereas the Cernia is larger. I can't decide if the Cernia isn't working because he drools it out and it isn't getting in his system, if those are more intense nausea days, or if the Cernia has weird side effects (i.e., lethargy and anorexia). I can hear my old Experimental Psychology professor shouting, "correlation does not equal causation!" It could be any number of factors, therefore I am not giving up on Cerenia. I can't be sure if one is better than the other, but I have had better luck with Zofran.

With giving pills, I have had the best luck with peanut butter, but it can stick to my finger and be aggravating especially with lack of sleep. DH has success with a pill popper, but it's easiest with two people. I am lucky that Edgar is a submissive cat and will not fight me. Yesterday, I purchased Greenies brand Pill Pockets and that worked amazingly for the nausea medication. Edgar finally got over two days of nausea he'd been having. We were going in for iv fluids and a shot of Cerenia today, but we turned it around! I am reluctant to put Prednisone in a pill pocket because I have been told it is so bitter. I have only used it once thus far.

For fluids intake, I have been making bone broth (no salt or other additives) and adding that to meals two tablespoons at a time. I purchased a water fountain yesterday and Edgar finally drank water that wasn't broth. He had been refusing the water bowl. I bought it at PetSupermarket for $30. I had never purchased one before because they are plastic.

I believe that any food is better than no food, so in the three weeks I am learning to stress less about that. I have read that carbs feed cancer so I am staying away from carbs as much as possible. I was told by the vet not to fed raw during chemo and so I went out and purchased $50 in supplements only to have him refuse food with supplements after a few times. I have to give him some commercial food now to assure he is getting taurine etc. He likes Blue Bufflalo, in the packets, best and I have tried almost every brand and every flavor. I'm still giving him things like roasted turkey and crab legs because he is underweight and he goes nuts for them. I think he should have these pleasures everyday as long as he can.

Edgar responds well when I am happy. He does not appreciate me holding him and crying into his coat at all. :bawling: This really hit home when he was in one of his comfort spots and I was watching a comedy show, Bill Burr, on Netflix. I laughed for the first time in weeks, I think, and Edgar came out and nuzzled the computer. Every time I laughed he came and asked for pets. :lol: :catrub: So, my last bit of advice is try to act like everything is normal. Use your singsong voice, I'm assuming everyone does this, and fake that you are alright as much as you can. I find a little happy music helps. I put a ragas station on Pandora and that lifts my spirits too.

I will be sending you and Spike all the good vibes and love! :heartshape::grouphug::vibes:
 

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Thank you :goldstar:for all this helpful info..I am trying to do my best in tending to all he needs and be proactive but I am far from well versed on this subject. Tomorrows appt with oncologist will determine it all. I have been crushing his prednisonole pills and adding to food then putting in a syringe to insure he gets his dose and he seems to do well with that..I think he realizes the syringe feeding is for his own good to ensure he gets enough food.

I will look into bone broth for him too..I think I saw a recipe for it on a blog here. Spike was always such a hearty eater how I miss those days of him eating and looking up at me so proud when he did..when he was a baby he was very weak and I would also syringe feed him so when he was able to eat on his own he would nudge me to come watch him eat. He did that his whole life.. Now I am giving him mirtazapine to kick start his appetite. And as you said I am going through a plethora of foods to see what he responds to best...seems anything with a strong fish scent interests him..yuck..

I also completely realize how in tune they are to our feelings and have been trying hard to keep it up beat when home..though those moments come crashing through where I just weep and sob for him..but yes I have a sing songy voice I use as well..

I am happy to read your progress with Edgar..:yess:and me and Spike and Bella (my other cat) are sending many pawsitive vibes and good karma for his continued progress. Wishing you strength too! it's has been a eye opening experience and very draining in so many ways :hangin:..but it's not about me..very grateful for your reply:hearthrob:..it's gives me a strong sense of comfort to know I am not alone here:thanks:
 

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Today was edgar's 3rd chemo treatment. Yesterday, he didn't eat well after his 9am feeding. I gave him prednisone before i left for work and when I came back at 6pm he hadn't eaten anything but chicken broth DH said. I have him cerenia for nausea and he threw up half an hour later. I woke at 4am to him vomiting foamy liquid. I gave him more cerenia and pepcid and we headed to the vet at 7am. They said he was doing well but gave me a new medication mirtazapine. So, now he's to have the three pills every morning which are really 6 after i make them smaller. I don't know how long I can keep this up. I was devastated giving him these pills. He ate a little this afternoon but has refused dinner. I keep putting out fresh but he's not having it. His weight maintained this week instead of gaining. I felt better when he was having good days, playing and eating. Now I'm questioning my selfishness. I'm anxious for the scan but it's 3 weeks away. We haven't even done the worst chemo... that's next Friday. It's going to be a rough few weeks.

Hi Edgar's mom, Spikes mom here..I too opted for starting the chemo shots today..once I realized it was an option I didn't hesitate I believed strongly in exhausting all avenues and giving him every shot at a longer life..he deserves it like Edgar..if it comes to pass that it's not working or too stressful I can make the decision to change to course of action..but until then I will remain hopeful ..I wish Edgar and you better days..
 
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Hi Spike's mom, I'm glad that I've been helpful to you!

Edgar had a really good day yesterday, but he isn't eating anything but broth today. I love how Spike would nudge you to watch him eat. That is the sweetest thing! Edgar is not okay with syringe feeding. It made him so angry when I tried that he drooled it out, and it was the tiniest bit.
I'm rooting for you and Spike too! :cheerleader::goodluck::vibes:
 

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Hi Spike's mom, I'm glad that I've been helpful to you!

Edgar had a really good day yesterday, but he isn't eating anything but broth today. I love how Spike would nudge you to watch him eat. That is the sweetest thing! Edgar is not okay with syringe feeding. It made him so angry when I tried that he drooled it out, and it was the tiniest bit.
I'm rooting for you and Spike too! :cheerleader::goodluck::vibes:
Thank you for rooting for him.. we are cheering Edgar on too:yess:.. How is Edgar doing today.. has the mirtazipine helped his appetite.. I give Spike that also.. 1/4 pill every other day.. you said you were on your third chemo shot.. are you on the same protocol I selected one shot a week for six weeks? He is slated for his second shot on Monday.. the day after first shot he did wonderfully..he was like his old self.. and was even bringing me his toys like he used too. Yesterday he appeared a bit slower to me and truth be told I have no idea how much he should be eating..I work full time so its hard ..I leave food for him but my other cat gobbles it up.. i just want him to eat as much as needed to gain his weight back.. so when I arrive home I usually try to spoon feed him or give him whatever treats he will eat. Spike does ok with syringe feeding but I know he is not a big fan:( and I dont want to resort to that again and stress him... But like you said its so hard to find what they want to eat consistently ..i have bought just about everything.. The unknown of this all is the hardest part.. I hope you have been getting some rest yourself.. its important to keep you healthy as well. Keep me posted. :vibes:
 

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Fuchsiaslove Fuchsiaslove Oh my I've missed a lot of posts! Sorry about that, it must have got lost in my notifications. :doh2:
I'm sorry that you're having such a tough time with Edgar. I really can't offer much advice since I'm going through this myself, but it sounds like you are doing all the right things. He knows that you love him and he seems happy for the time-being; that's all you can really ask for :heartshape: Is the mirtazipine helping with appetite? Yoshi has some of that on hand too but I haven't had to use it yet.

As for how Yoshi is doing, she has thrown up twice in the past week, so that was disappointing, but it's still better than every day like it was before. She gained about a pound when we took her into the vet last week so we were ecstatic about that. We started giving her B12 injections as well- I can't really tell if they're helping yet (she has only been given 2, one week apart), but hopefully they will help her feel better. I've noticed her appetite decreasing a little bit- she is still eating an okay amount, at least 1 can of wet food a day, but she doesn't seem to be going as "crazy" for it like she was before. Plus she only really wants it a couple of hours after getting her dose of Pred- probably because it increases her appetite.

I'm talking to the vet today about the possibility of her just feeling nauseous, and maybe that's why she is losing her appetite a bit, especially since she threw up recently. Hopefully they'll give me some cerenia to give her (and hopefully it works).

I'll add this thread to my watched list so I can keep up with you and Edgar :)
 
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It's been a rough couple of days! I panicked and took Edgar to the Emg vet Wed only to have them tell me there's no worry until he hasn't eaten for 4-5 days. His weight drops so fast when he doesn't eat, I can feel his bones. I can feel the difference and it scares me. So, they gave him fluids and a shot of Cerenia because I had been having such a hard time with pills. Wed night he started eating again. Friday he had his 4th round of chemo. This time it was the Adriamycin and he had to be dropped off at 730 am and picked up at noon. I hated leaving him there. He didn't eat at all yesterday, and I just gave him his space. Today, when I came home he decided he was ready to eat. Now he is having some strange litter box behavior. He is in and out and pacing around. He just came and told me something, probably, "go scoop."

:hellosmiley:@Loriloveskitties I think the Mirtazapine is helping. I can't say for sure. Edgar's on the Wisconsin Protocol. Next week we don't do any chemo, and then Feb 2cd he goes in for scans and find out if it's working. He will only be on Prednisone for 6 more days. If all goes well, we will be doing chemo until June 22, 2018. I can't remember if I mentioned beef bone marrow to you? Edgar loves it added to his food and it's high in calories plus it has other nutrients that are good. I buy the bones in the freezer section at Publix and they are super cheap. I heat them 15 min @400 and then put the oily marrow in a jar and add it to his meals. Pets that aren't sick, esp dogs, will go :runaround:(nuts) for it so be careful if you try it.
I hope you and Spike are doing good! I will catch up on everyone after I finish up writing this update. :grouphug: :vibes:

alzycat alzycat :welcomeback2: I haven't been checking up on everyone this week because it's been busy busy for me. We are under contract for a house, again. :crackup:The stress and lack of sleep is crazy makin! I think the Mirtazapine is helping. He has good eating days and bad ones. I'm keeping a diary; I've documented every time he eats and it's all measured so that I can track the calories. In my mind if he is gaining weight he is getting healthier. That's so great about Yoshi gaining a pound! :yess: If the vet gave you the Mirtazapine, and Yoshi's appetite is declining, I would give the Mirtazapine. If it were nausea, I assume, Yoshi wouldn't be eating at all, but definitely see what the vet says. I've found that Cerenia stops vomiting and Zofran stops nausea. The oncologist said Cerenia is the number one chemo anti-nausea med. On the worst days, like today, when Edgar hasn't eaten in 48 hours, I give him a Zofran 12 hours after the Cerenia. Every week has been different though. He's taking 3 different chemo meds. Hopefully, next month we will have the swing of things. I'm going to check your thread to see how that vet visit went, I hope well! :grouphug::vibes:
 

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Fuchsiaslove Fuchsiaslove i had not heard of the Wisconsin protocol but just read up on it..after 25 weeks you may be done its treatment.?!..I am going tomorrow for 2nd treatment and to inquire as to the difference in our protocols..so much information to take in and with this cancer Time was of the essence ..so I was happy to start a treatment and thus far Spike has responded well.:crossfingers: But hate to think I made a hasty decision not in his best interest. The oncologist said she even had her cat on the same protocol as me and did well and outlived the normal expectations. We shall see..
Sorry you had such a scare with Edgar..I would have responded the same.,being Italian I equate eating with being healthy and esp now with our cats..Spike went from 13 lbs to 8. And I was horrified in the change..like you said you can feel their bones..:(
You certainly have a lot going on aside from Edgar hope you are getting some much needed rest too as best you can. The Mirtazipine is a regular for Spike too 1/4 pill every other day but when he gets it he is very hungry so it does work..just need to be careful with dosage. I am grateful for this site..strength in numbers..:hugs: :catman::heartshape:
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