Cat Not Moving Around, Started Loving Dogs. Kinda.

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Hey there,

cats are weird, but things have got a little weirder of late; first things first, we live in a house, with me and my girlfriend in a flat in the top storey and my parents using the rest of the house. That being said, we've got two cats, my parents have two dogs (or rather, there are two dogs downstairs and two cats upstairs, there's no real ownership there :p), and they don't really interact with each other.

All animals are rescues; the dogs we got from an organisation, the cats were strays whom we adopted from a stable we were at; the dogs are properly socialised and don't pose a threat to cats, the cats were exposed to dogs at the stable, though those were not too kind to them.

Yeah, that is that; the first cat, Momo (~1.5-2 years old), we got about a year ago, the second, Neko (~3 years old; very rough estimate), about three months ago; they didn't use to get along with each other, with Neko beating up Momo at the stable - but the tables have turned here. The former victim has started beating up Neko on a regular basis, and she wouldn't defend herself, just passively blocking her passage, refusing to let her out of the cat litter, etc. I should mention that Neko isn't yet neutered and had lost a kitten prior to us adopting her (her litter was likely mostly dead and there was only one left surviving whom she'd left to die since he wouldn't have made it anyway, which sadly was the case).

At any rate, Neko was quite terrorised by Momo (they're about a year apart) and wouldn't really move; we tried to re-introduce them by first separating them in two rooms, yet Neko wouldn't really ever freely move around, rather staying within a very confined area and only moving if someone came upstairs, at whom she'd occasionally hiss, or to go to the cat litter. She was very reactive and alert whenever Momo was moving around, never seeming to have a moment of peace. Which leads me to yesterday.

With her being very "pacifist" in her demeanour, I thought I should see how far I could carry her down the stairs before she had enough; she didn't do anything, so we ended up in dog territory - on the couch, with our rather large bitch lying on there. At first she didn't seem to like it, but then she got more and more comfortable. And, progressively, started moving towards her, until they were about 2 metres from each other. She was all relaxed, calm, and purry as hell. Our male dog, I put somewhere else; while he's not a threat to cats, he's quite...loud and direct, having some herding dog breed in him which is rather dominant.
Having ensured they'd stay calm and amicable, I went downstairs. The following morning, I'd come downstairs, and yeah, Neko kept moving closer to our bitch, snuggling up to her. I don't quite get it, but yeah, we had kept making jokes she was more cat than dog anyway, so here was proof. She's got some Basenji in her, which is quite dominant, and they're said to be a quite cat-like breed.

The problem we're now faced with is this: she still doesn't move around. Our male dog we've kept under control and are slowly getting him accustomed to her; he doesn't stay in the same room with her over night while the bitch and Neko share the couch. Yet, despite her being calm, relaxed, and arguably content, she doesn't move around. At all. She even shat on the couch, right on the spot where she'd sat for three hours. The other cat, Momo, doesn't enter, she hates dogs, regardless of how they behave. If you place Neko in the cat litter, she'll stay there, too. She eats just fine, she can walk and run and all of that and doesn't seem to be in pain at all, so I'd personally rule out a medical background, especially since she had to hunt and run while she was still living outside merely three months ago.

I don't know whether she's traumatised by either being reconnected with her former victim, having lost her kitten, or anything else. She loves to be stroked as well, so she doesn't shy away from being touched (if she likes it; she did move away quite frequently upstairs, being afraid, now she can't get enough of it). She often sits there, observing and often watching TV. The dogs at the stable were awful for her, so how come she loves our bitch? And instantaenously so? She's arguably not so keen on our male dog. How can I get her to, well, move around, at least to go to the bloody litter? Any help would be greatly appreciated; I guess it becomes quite evident that I'm more used to dogs and have little to no idea about cats :D :-x
 

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She sounds terrified, or like something is medically wrong. She really does need a full vet work up, and to be spayed. Having her spayed will remove any hormonal issues that are contributing.

I would work on creating spaces for her where she feels safe, and where she has privacy. Does she like to be up high? Would a cave-like space be preferred? However she feels safest, she needs options where she can hide out and integrate at her own pace.
 
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I should probably write on here sooner. Shortly after I wrote this and fed her, she decided to walk around and take an interest in her surroundings. I've got the feeling she read what I bloody wrote. Second time this has happened now, with a different cat this time. God must've had a great laugh when he made them to confuse man.
 
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Thanks for the reply, didn't show up at first; she'll be spayed shortly, didn't have the time to warrant the supervision she'd need so far. Should've added that my mum's working at a vet's and didn't see anything wrong (which, granted, doesn't cancel out any imbalances of any sort that won't show apart from in her behaviour). Funnily enough, she moved around after I'd carried her over to the cat litter, next to which the food was, for the third time now, that she'd move around and explore. So sort of forcing her out of her comfort zone; the litter and the food are right next to the couch; before she'd just stay in the box.
 

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Hi. I am with talkingpeanut talkingpeanut , she needs safe zones to go to and stay whenever she wants - hopefully somewhere she can get to without having to pass by all the other animals.

3 months is not a long time for a cat to truly adapt, especially with multiple animals around.

Also, a lot of cats don't like their food right 'next door' to their litterbox - so, if you can put some space between the two, that might help.
 
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Hey there,

thanks for the input :-) ; from what I've gleaned so far, she's fine sitting with us (and the other cat-like dog) on the couch, but doesn't really want to roam with the male dog around (or us sitting there as well, she does feel safe with us around). He's sniffed her and all and went away, sniffed her again, not being too obnoxious, and she wasn't too scared; it was worse with the other cat.

We'll attempt to create some spaces for her where she feels safe; she's found some hiding places in the room and went there upon us returning today; we did take her back on the couch with us again so she actually would a) eat and b) also be able to go to the litter box. Unfortunately, there's no opportunity for us to give her any space the two dogs won't go to, though only the male dog is indeed the problem for her. She doesn't run away or hide or anything with him, she simply signals she doesn't like it but appears to have faith enough that she seems to know nothing will happen to her with us around.

Oddly, when she's on the ground and exploring the area/hiding in a corner, she's more skittish. Once on the couch, she's all happy and comfy and enjoys being stroked and being given attention.

First thing we'll do now is put the food in a hidden corner. Luckily, she's more of a down-and-under cat than one that likes to climb stuff; never seen her climbing onto things, even when she was still semi-wild.
 

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From all that you said, she apparently feels you are her protector since she is comfy on the couch as opposed to the ground where she doesn't feel as secure. It doesn't sound too bad, overall.

When you do get her spayed, she will need to be able to be in a secure area somehow - away from the other animals so she has time to heal and not impede her healing with being afraid. So, something to think about/plan for...

Any positive changes with the other cat?
 

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Oddly, when she's on the ground and exploring the area/hiding in a corner, she's more skittish. Once on the couch, she's all happy and comfy and enjoys being stroked and being given attention.
In the wild the ground is the most dangerous area since most predators are ground based. Larger birds can be predators but she might not have ever seen any. Most cats like to be high up, out of reach of the dog she doesn't care for, and she can observe the whole room from. Since she's getting comfortable on the couch she'd probably also like a cat tree.

It's wonderful that she has people and now another animal that she's getting comfortable with. You're a good person for taking her in and working to find what will make her happy.
 
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Good, I'm happy to hear from cat experts that we're not messing up completely :D, the other cat's, well, fine, she's got the space to herself and is a little more amicable towards me (she doesn't like men very much).

The thing I don't understand is, however, that once one the ground, she's not about to go for higher terrain - she doesn't jump onto the couch, climb up that chest we've got in a corner with some plants around it, presenting a perfect hiding spot, or anything else for that matter. She'd rather wedge herself in tight spaces, go underneath stuff or into cave-like structures (a bench with cloth hanging from it for example). It might be that at the stable, cats tend to hide under and in things rather than escape up and away, at least in my experience, only rarely observing from above.

I think it's true that she associates the couch with protection and safety, and by association me and my family, yet she doesn't jump back onto it again when I place her in the litter box, to forestall another accident from happening. She doesn't go, and contently stays in there (I've erected sort of a barrier that keeps our male dog away from her).
I reckon only time will tell what the hell is going on there. Right now, she's tucked-in underneath a blanket with our bitch, who doesn't really care for her but well, it works :D, thanks again for all of the input :-)
 
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Shall be done, that is out of the question, simply haven't got round to it yet for various reasons; totally forgot to say that she'll of course be placed in a different room right after she's spayed :p
 

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I would first get a cat tree and start playing with her with a wand toy. Use the wand toy to get her all riled up and get her to chase it up the tree. (use the toy to lure her to the top of it) With time she may feel secure enough (play time creates confidence in cats) to jump up on things (like her tree) without the need you there to make her feel safe. Oh, and always end a good play session with a small meal or treats. A happy cat is a cat who can "act out" their instincts of hunt, catch, eat, groom then sleep.
 
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I would first get a cat tree and start playing with her with a wand toy. Use the wand toy to get her all riled up and get her to chase it up the tree. (use the toy to lure her to the top of it) With time she may feel secure enough (play time creates confidence in cats) to jump up on things (like her tree) without the need you there to make her feel safe. Oh, and always end a good play session with a small meal or treats. A happy cat is a cat who can "act out" their instincts of hunt, catch, eat, groom then sleep.
Definitely subscribe to that idea, however, I've encountered a minor obstacle that sort of makes this a little hard - she doesn't move when playing but remains stationary. I've tried a wand that has a ball with a tail dangling from it; she would engage, yet she wouldn't leave her position at all. She caught it, chewed on it, and was quite interested, but no movement. It's also not like she can't move - on the ground, she's running away from me when she's not hiding in the litter box. The male dog has taken to pretty much ignoring her now, not even reacting when she's showing any sign of movement. So, she's got no other animal take any interest in her; she's only alert when the male dog's moving, but not even then very much anymore. She just, well, sits where you put her on the couch looking content, dozing, easily purring when stroked. Sort of like a cat-Gandhi.

I don't know whether this is a real problem that requires different answers or whether I'm too impatient, which may be the case considering that I'm positing on a daily basis :D. Just hard to deal with inactivity and apathy to a certain extent. Also, she hasn't used the litter box in over a day now, not even when carried there, nor has she peed anywhere (she wasn't punished or anything when she shat on the couch, I'd moved her to the litter box immediately and took care of her excrements).
 

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I also think you are not understanding how scared she sounds. She does not feel safe to move. Hiding in the litter box is something only an extremely anxious cat would do.
 
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I guess UTIs or crystals can be ruled out since she peed normally before and has taken to peeing outside the litter box last night (on the dog baskets). She's in our flat upstairs for now, appearing much less calm and way more anxious than she was before on the couch, but at least she uses the cat litter and goes eating there. Could be because she's more familiar with the space there, I dunno though.

I'm reconsidering our approach and assume we've pushed things a little too much; we've got one room in which the dogs don't tend to go and which can be made so our other cat won't enter; that'd be our office. To spell out what's going through my head, I see two problems though, first of all, it's an office, so many things that are in danger of being peed on and it isn't used as frequently right now. Upside would be that she can explore the territory on her own terms, without other animals interfering or she having to endure too much human interaction.

I'd tried keeping her in the bedroom when I was there, however, she'd bolt and retreat to being near the door that leads to the downstairs area and into the cellar; she wouldn't go down the stairs by herself, though. The problem there is that she tends to sit in the open door, barring entry to our other cat, which tends to result in fights at times.

She's going to the vet in January, I personally don't think there's anything medically wrong as far as I/we can judge (passing urine and defecating normally, without anything out of the ordinary), but yeah, she'll have a check-up and get spayed. I don't know what the right way to proceed would be right now - keep her in the office and see whether she gets accustomed there, risking that the same thing happens as it did downstairs? Put her back on the couch, where she's purry and relaxed, and seeing to her moving around and becoming fine with the surroundings? Keep her upstairs, where she's twitchy and anxious, and hoping that spaying will take care of hostilities to some degree? Or is there another option that I've overlooked?
 

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Peeing does not indicate that she does not have a UTI or infection. Peeing outside of the box is a common indicator that there is an infection, in fact.

Yes, I would keep her in the office for now so she can get more comfortable at her own speed. Spend time with her and let her come to you.
 
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