BoneLESS Frankerprey - Anyone does this?

[carolina]

Oh there you go. The USDA link I found earlier only had cooked/processed foods. Knowing what part of the pig we're serving is the problem here, being "pork trim."

Actually, here is Pork trims: http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/s...&format=&count=&max=25&offset=&sort=&qlookup=

 

[mschauer]

The easiest way to find the nutrient profiles for various foods is to start with the USDA database:

http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/list

I've downloaded that database and it forms the basis of my analysis. It doesn't include values for taurine and iodine though. I've have to find that information elsewhere.

He said not necessary to add Taurine to frankerprey BTW.... enough in the meat already..... which went along with the theory really.
I am adding just because I had already purchased it - call it added insurance

Well, as a scientist, I'm not real comfortable with acting based solely on theory. Another big reason why I wrote the program!  

 

[ldg]

I did a calculation based on this one: http://wholefoodcatalog.info/nutrient/phosphorus/meats/s/5/ (The picture looks most like the pork I have LOL). It's the first one listed on the page.

It indicates 160mg of phosphorus for an 84g portion (3 oz).

For one NOW HCA serving, that's 1,353mg total phosphorus in a pound; that's a 0.74 Cah ratio.

Doubling the NOW would be 1,853mg total phosphorus in a pound, a Cah ratio of 1.08:1.

So far, seems like it's best to double the dose, as you suggest. :nod:

 

[carolina]

Well, as a scientist, I'm not real comfortable with acting based solely on theory. Another big reason why I wrote the program!  

I am not either, that's why I went to a holistic vet, experienced in raw feeding.....
P.S: very much a science major too.... although forgot most of it LOL (Chemistry) :lol3:

 

[carolina]

I did a calculation based on this one: http://wholefoodcatalog.info/nutrient/phosphorus/meats/s/5/ (The picture looks most like the pork I have LOL). It's the first one listed on the page.
It indicates 160mg of phosphorus for an 84g portion (3 oz).
For one NOW HCA serving, that's 1,353mg total phosphorus in a pound; that's a 0.74 Cah ratio.
Doubling the NOW would be 1,853mg total phosphorus in a pound, a Cah ratio of 1.08:1.
So far, seems like it's best to double the dose, as you suggest. :nod:

Well.... are you going to do this individually..... No way man.... I am going to make an average :nod:

 

[mschauer]

I did a calculation based on this one: http://wholefoodcatalog.info/nutrient/phosphorus/meats/s/5/ (The picture looks most like the pork I have LOL). It's the first one listed on the page.
It indicates 160mg of phosphorus for an 84g portion (3 oz).
For one NOW HCA serving, that's 1,353mg total phosphorus in a pound; that's a 0.74 Cah ratio.
Doubling the NOW would be 1,853mg total phosphorus in a pound, a Cah ratio of 1.08:1.
So far, seems like it's best to double the dose, as you suggest.

Well.... are you going to do this individually..... No way man.... I am going to make an average

I expect you will be able to find a good average value to use. I would suggest erring on the side of slightly too much of the MCHA. The recommended Cah is usually stated as 1:1 - 5:1. Adding a bit too much of the MCHA would still result in a ratio well within the suggested range.

 

[carolina]

I did a calculation based on this one: http://wholefoodcatalog.info/nutrient/phosphorus/meats/s/5/ (The picture looks most like the pork I have LOL). It's the first one listed on the page.
It indicates 160mg of phosphorus for an 84g portion (3 oz).
For one NOW HCA serving, that's 1,353mg total phosphorus in a pound; that's a 0.74 Cah ratio.
Doubling the NOW would be 1,853mg total phosphorus in a pound, a Cah ratio of 1.08:1.
So far, seems like it's best to double the dose, as you suggest. :nod:

Laurie, did you see the post for the Pork Trim profile? http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/s...&format=&count=&max=25&offset=&sort=&qlookup=

 

[ldg]

OK. Chicken thigh. 399mg per 210g portion. That's 851mg per pound. With the one "serving" of NOW HCA, that's a Cah ratio of 0.74:1. Doubling it is 1.08:1.

 

[mschauer]

OK. Chicken thigh. 399mg per 210g portion. That's 851mg per pound. With the one "serving" of NOW HCA, that's a Cah ratio of 0.74:1. Doubling it is 1.08:1.

Don't forget to look at any organ meats you feed also.

 

[carolina]

I expect you will be able to find a good average value to use. I would suggest erring on the side of slightly too much of the MCHA. The recommended Cah is usually stated as 1:1 - 5:1. Adding a bit too much of the MCHA would still result in a ratio well within the suggested range.

Yes.... That seems to be the consensus..... if in doubt, err for too much instead of too little.... you don't want to go low on Ca.... that can be bad.... Got it -
I will let Laurie figure all out - we pretty much serve the same things :lol3:

Laurie - Pancreas and Venison please

 

[ldg]

Working on it! I had to attend to something else for a few minutes there.

 

[carolina]

Working on it! I had to attend to something else for a few minutes there.

Oh, everything alright?

 

[ldg]

Laurie, did you see the post for the Pork Trim profile? http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/s...&format=&count=&max=25&offset=&sort=&qlookup=

OK, the 1/2 capsule per ounce results in a Cah ratio of 1.0:1 (this lists 984mg of phosphorus per pound, vs. the one I had, at 853mg phosphorus per pound).

 

[ldg]

Turkey heart: 63mg per ounce

1/4 capsule HCA per oz: 0.66:1 Cah ratio
1/2 capsule HCA per oz: 0.80:1 Cah ratio
3/4 capsule HCA per oz: 1.00:1 Cah ratio
1 capsule HCA per oz: 1.14:1 Cah ratio

 

[ldg]

Chicken Liver 85mg phosphorus per ounce

1/4 capsule HCA per oz: 0.54:1 Cah ratio
1/2 capsule HCA per oz: 0.70:1 Cah ratio
3/4 capsule HCA per oz: 0.89:1 Cah ratio
1 capsule HCA per oz: 1.04:1 Cah ratio

 

[ldg]

Beef Pancreas: 66mg phosphorous per ounce

1/4 capsule HCA per oz: 0.64:1 Cah ratio
1/2 capsule HCA per oz: 0.78:1 Cah ratio
3/4 capsule HCA per oz: 0.98:1 Cah ratio
1 capsule HCA per oz: 1.12:1 Cah ratio
1.25 capsules HCA per oz: 1.41:1 Cah ratio

 

[ldg]

No listing for duck heart.

Chicken heart - 50mg of phosphorous per ounce.

1/4 capsule HCA per oz: 0.77:1 Cah ratio
1/2 capsule HCA per oz: 0.87:1 Cah ratio
3/4 capsule HCA per oz: 1.07:1 Cah ratio
1 capsule HCA per oz: 1.21:1 Cah ratio

 

[ldg]

Wow - I'm thinking maybe a combo of eggshell and HCA. Maybe supplement meat with HCA, and organs with eggshell.... :dk:

 

[ldg]

Turkey, dark meat, skinless, boneless, raw 827mg phosphorous per pound

1/4 capsule HCA per oz: 0.75:1 Cah ratio
1/2 capsule HCA per oz: 0.86:1 Cah ratio
3/4 capsule HCA per oz: 1.06:1 Cah ratio
1 capsule HCA per oz: 1.20:1 Cah ratio

 

[mschauer]

Wow - I'm thinking maybe a combo of eggshell and HCA. Maybe supplement meat with HCA, and organs with eggshell....

I've thought about doing that also. The belief though is that the proportion of calcium to the other nutrients in whole bone are what make the calcium not only more absorbable but also more effective for bone building so adding a pure calcium supplement and so altering that proportion might end up making the calcium less well utilized.