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I am not sure how to word it. We have a Siamese looking cat named Zhong. He is 8 years old. He is a very people cat as he does not interact much with the other cats.

To me he started a steady strange mood change after I told him to get off the dining room table while using the computer. I glace down at the screen of my notebook and out the peripheral vision I see he is still on the table. He has had a seizure and was laying on his side as stiff as a board.

I freak out and pick him up and called to my mother and had to hold his mouth because he was making a chewing action with his tongue stuck out. After about 45 seconds he comes out of it.
and he seems somewhat dazed for about 1/2 hour. We took him to the vet in the morning and
they did some blood work on him but, found nothing. The vet also tested his motor skills which seemed fine.

Change of behavior: When I called him to bedtime he always came running and slept on his pillow beside my head. He neither comes when called or sleeps on his pillow.
He used to play fetch with paper balls and straws but, no longer does this.
He would come and wake different people up in the morning and lead them to his cat bowl to eat.
His only interaction with people now is very loud meowing to go outdoors which is new because he never cared for the outdoors as he has lived his life inside. He constantly paces the floor at the door. His motor skills are still very good as he can still leap to high area. He eats very little now just barely enough to to sustain himself. He often acts like something has scared him and he tears through the house. He did that to me once while I was petting him. He turned and looked at me like I was a stranger and launched off the counter with claws dug into the floor trying to get away.

He has been to the vet numerous times because we worry. The only thing the vet found was some evidence in the blood of some mild parasite infestation and higher than normal white blood cells. The doctor treated him for these and the next visit the parasites were gone but, his white blood count was even higher. He was tested for the usual cat diseases but, had none. Where we are now is that the vet said he would research and call a few other vets he knows and see what he can find.

Where we are now is just speculation of why he acts so strange. We say perhaps neurological because he had his seizure, perhaps senile because he is getting older, We self tested if he could see or hear and those appear ok. It is hard to describe cat behavior because they are all so different.
 
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Other than high white blood count all we see is a drastic change in behavior. It is like going to grandma's house and she looks the same but, has another personality.
 

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He really isn't old enough for something like dementia or other old age psychological illnesses. I had a cat who would seem lost and confused, buthewas in his late teens. A stroke or seizure is possible. Did your vet chekc for thyroid problems? Those could also cause psychological effects.

Unfortunately, since cats can't tell us what is wrong and many vets don't know how to diagnose psychological problems so sometimes all we can do is be there for them.
 

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I am not sure how to word it. We have a Siamese looking cat named Zhong. He is 8 years old. He is a very people cat as he does not interact much with the other cats.

To me he started a steady strange mood change after I told him to get off the dining room table while using the computer. I glace down at the screen of my notebook and out the peripheral vision I see he is still on the table. He has had a seizure and was laying on his side as stiff as a board.

I freak out and pick him up and called to my mother and had to hold his mouth because he was making a chewing action with his tongue stuck out. After about 45 seconds he comes out of it.
and he seems somewhat dazed for about 1/2 hour. We took him to the vet in the morning and
they did some blood work on him but, found nothing. The vet also tested his motor skills which seemed fine.

Change of behavior: When I called him to bedtime he always came running and slept on his pillow beside my head. He neither comes when called or sleeps on his pillow.
He used to play fetch with paper balls and straws but, no longer does this.
He would come and wake different people up in the morning and lead them to his cat bowl to eat.
His only interaction with people now is very loud meowing to go outdoors which is new because he never cared for the outdoors as he has lived his life inside. He constantly paces the floor at the door. His motor skills are still very good as he can still leap to high area. He eats very little now just barely enough to to sustain himself. He often acts like something has scared him and he tears through the house. He did that to me once while I was petting him. He turned and looked at me like I was a stranger and launched off the counter with claws dug into the floor trying to get away.

He has been to the vet numerous times because we worry. The only thing the vet found was some evidence in the blood of some mild parasite infestation and higher than normal white blood cells. The doctor treated him for these and the next visit the parasites were gone but, his white blood count was even higher. He was tested for the usual cat diseases but, had none. Where we are now is that the vet said he would research and call a few other vets he knows and see what he can find.

Where we are now is just speculation of why he acts so strange. We say perhaps neurological because he had his seizure, perhaps senile because he is getting older, We self tested if he could see or hear and those appear ok. It is hard to describe cat behavior because they are all so different.
Yikes, what a weird situation! =( I hope things get better.
With the seizures, high WBCs and the acting strangely I wonder if this is linked to the brain/something neurological.
It's good your vet is calling around, they might be able to get you the name of a specialist that is specialized in this kind of behavior/symptoms/etc..
 

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Is your vet a feline specialist? If not, I'd suggest getting another opinion on this. And start a log on the behaviors NOW...note what they were, how they are different from before, and what was happening in the evironment when it happened.

Should you decide to find a feline specialist, go here:

AAFP | American Association of Feline Practitioners

Under "Cat Veterinarians and Practices" click on "Learn More," fill out the questionnaire and select "Cat Friendly". That will get you a list in your area.

The alternative, if it is possible for you, is a University with a Veterinary Medicine school. This will NOT be cheap, in fact, it will probably be more costly than a regular vet, but they are practising cutting edge medicine with the most up-to-date equipment and diagnostic tools.
 

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I'm no vet or Dr. but I think I would check into a Cat Scan or an MRI. There's an emergency clinic near me that does one or the other, maybe both but, not sure. They are in a fairly small town so, I don't think it would be hard to find someone in your area that does them. I have no clue where you are though. I'm sure it would be pricy but, this kind of sounds like a brain tumor or cancer of some sort to me. I would at least bring it up with your vet and see what they think. Sorry your going through this. Do keep us updated!
 

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I am not sure how to word it. We have a Siamese looking cat named Zhong. He is 8 years old. He is a very people cat as he does not interact much with the other cats.

To me he started a steady strange mood change after I told him to get off the dining room table while using the computer. I glace down at the screen of my notebook and out the peripheral vision I see he is still on the table. He has had a seizure and was laying on his side as stiff as a board.

I freak out and pick him up and called to my mother and had to hold his mouth because he was making a chewing action with his tongue stuck out. After about 45 seconds he comes out of it.
and he seems somewhat dazed for about 1/2 hour. We took him to the vet in the morning and
they did some blood work on him but, found nothing. The vet also tested his motor skills which seemed fine.

Change of behavior: When I called him to bedtime he always came running and slept on his pillow beside my head. He neither comes when called or sleeps on his pillow.
He used to play fetch with paper balls and straws but, no longer does this.
He would come and wake different people up in the morning and lead them to his cat bowl to eat.
His only interaction with people now is very loud meowing to go outdoors which is new because he never cared for the outdoors as he has lived his life inside. He constantly paces the floor at the door. His motor skills are still very good as he can still leap to high area. He eats very little now just barely enough to to sustain himself. He often acts like something has scared him and he tears through the house. He did that to me once while I was petting him. He turned and looked at me like I was a stranger and launched off the counter with claws dug into the floor trying to get away.

He has been to the vet numerous times because we worry. The only thing the vet found was some evidence in the blood of some mild parasite infestation and higher than normal white blood cells. The doctor treated him for these and the next visit the parasites were gone but, his white blood count was even higher. He was tested for the usual cat diseases but, had none. Where we are now is that the vet said he would research and call a few other vets he knows and see what he can find.

Where we are now is just speculation of why he acts so strange. We say perhaps neurological because he had his seizure, perhaps senile because he is getting older, We self tested if he could see or hear and those appear ok. It is hard to describe cat behavior because they are all so different.
Hello and welcome to TCS C ckani and Zhong. I am sorry it's under these circumstances. One of our beloved cats had a stroke, and I don't know how old she was when this happened, because I adopted her from outdoors and she seemed to be fairly young. She went into CRF (chronic renal failure) not long afterwards, and I was given instruction into how to give her sub-Q fluids, which I did daily. That got us 7 fairly good months together.
I agree with sabian sabian that perhaps a CAT scan or MRI would be informative, and with @Mamany1953 that a feline practitioner may be able to be more helpful. Some vets in this society seem to deal mostly with dogs, and dogs are very, very different from cats.
Please keep us informed. *PRAYERS* for Zhong and sending thoughts of wellbeing out for him. :vibes::vibes::vibes:
 

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Are the other cats doing OK? Are they all indoor cats?
I think a higher white cell count indicates something is up. Maybe with the liver? I don't know, I'm not a vet.

You sound like you are very in tune with him and know him well. I do know that cats can change as they get older, just like people, and with seasons changing maybe he just wants to go outside. Something could be outside and he wants to check it out. Another cat, maybe.

It seems to me that we can no longer count on young cats being healthy or not having problems that older cats get. I was shocked years ago to find out that my 8 year old female cat had kidney failure. She died 2 months after being diagnosed. She was so young in my opinion. And I lost my Timmer in January at the age of 10. Again, not very old.
I hope it works out for you guys!
 

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Are the other cats doing OK? Are they all indoor cats?
I think a higher white cell count indicates something is up. Maybe with the liver? I don't know, I'm not a vet.

You sound like you are very in tune with him and know him well. I do know that cats can change as they get older, just like people, and with seasons changing maybe he just wants to go outside. Something could be outside and he wants to check it out. Another cat, maybe.

It seems to me that we can no longer count on young cats being healthy or not having problems that older cats get. I was shocked years ago to find out that my 8 year old female cat had kidney failure. She died 2 months after being diagnosed. She was so young in my opinion. And I lost my Timmer in January at the age of 10. Again, not very old.
I hope it works out for you guys!
So very sorry for your losses, Timmer Timmer . And yes, some people don't realize that anyone can pass at any time, at any age. That's why it's so important to give our loved ones all we can and let them know they are loved every day.
 

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Are the other cats doing OK? Are they all indoor cats?
I think a higher white cell count indicates something is up. Maybe with the liver? I don't know, I'm not a vet.

You sound like you are very in tune with him and know him well. I do know that cats can change as they get older, just like people, and with seasons changing maybe he just wants to go outside. Something could be outside and he wants to check it out. Another cat, maybe.

It seems to me that we can no longer count on young cats being healthy or not having problems that older cats get. I was shocked years ago to find out that my 8 year old female cat had kidney failure. She died 2 months after being diagnosed. She was so young in my opinion. And I lost my Timmer in January at the age of 10. Again, not very old.
I hope it works out for you guys!
We had a terrible streak many years ago...lost a 5 year old to heart disease, a 2 year old to multiple cancers, and an almost 2 year old to cancer, as well as an approximately 8-10 week old foster kitten to hydrocephalus. =( It's terrible. I'm so sorry for your losses Timmer Timmer . It's rough.
 

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We had a terrible streak many years ago...lost a 5 year old to heart disease, a 2 year old to multiple cancers, and an almost 2 year old to cancer, as well as an approximately 8-10 week old foster kitten to hydrocephalus. =( It's terrible. I'm so sorry for your losses Timmer Timmer . It's rough.
Sorry for YOUR losses, too, 1 bruce 1 1 bruce 1 -- so many of us have been through these terrible times. We lost 3 in 5 months in 2016. Still not able to really deal with it.
 

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Sorry for YOUR losses, too, 1 bruce 1 1 bruce 1 -- so many of us have been through these terrible times. We lost 3 in 5 months in 2016. Still not able to really deal with it.
My neighbor lost 3 cats and a dog a few years back in the span of a few months. All were old at least, but it was like they were on watch 24/7 =( It's so emotionally draining..
Thank you for your kind words. And I'm sorry for your losses. 3 in 5 months is way too much...
 

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My neighbor lost 3 cats and a dog a few years back in the span of a few months. All were old at least, but it was like they were on watch 24/7 =( It's so emotionally draining..
Thank you for your kind words. And I'm sorry for your losses. 3 in 5 months is way too much...
Yes, it just about did me in. Rani was 19, but Sahra and Maryam were middle-aged adults and they had not been sick earlier. They just went into quick decline. Maybe their hearts were broken after we lost Rani.
 

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Yes, it just about did me in. Rani was 19, but Sahra and Maryam were middle-aged adults and they had not been sick earlier. They just went into quick decline. Maybe their hearts were broken after we lost Rani.
They are affected, I know this for sure. And it's double tough IMO if that cat or dog goes to the emergency vet when they crash only to never return, it's like they don't know where their friend went. When our cat with cancer died, he died at the vets office and never returned and his litter mates searched for him, cried, etc. It was terrible. A dog of ours died at the vets in the same manner and his pack mates searched, again, terrible. When a dog died at home, all the dogs and cats (aside from one cat) saw his body after he died, and were obviously spooked but it's like they realized what had happened and managed to move on. His dog buddy hung out with us after his death and seemed really subdued. We spent a lot of time with him, to comfort ourselves and him.
What's with these guys anyway. Don't they know they're not supposed to get old, or get sick? =(
IDK if I'm the only one who has experienced this, or if I'm just reading too much into it, but whatever I'll throw this out there.
It seems like whenever the sickest, or the most elderly, passes on, the next one in line (as far as age, etc.) IMMEDIATELY has problems. When one of our dogs died, the n oldest immediately developed organ problems. When that one died years later, another one developed some health issues. When an elderly cat dies here, it's like the next one in line starts having issues. It's so weird.
I call it "passing the baton of life"...one has problems, fights the good fight, then passes on and almost immediately the next one in life is like "hey, guess what. I have liver disease" or "have you ever heard a heart disease cough? Let me show you what it sounds like" or "stealth kidney disease time", etc. =/
 

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They are affected, I know this for sure. And it's double tough IMO if that cat or dog goes to the emergency vet when they crash only to never return, it's like they don't know where their friend went. When our cat with cancer died, he died at the vets office and never returned and his litter mates searched for him, cried, etc. It was terrible. A dog of ours died at the vets in the same manner and his pack mates searched, again, terrible. When a dog died at home, all the dogs and cats (aside from one cat) saw his body after he died, and were obviously spooked but it's like they realized what had happened and managed to move on. His dog buddy hung out with us after his death and seemed really subdued. We spent a lot of time with him, to comfort ourselves and him.
What's with these guys anyway. Don't they know they're not supposed to get old, or get sick? =(
IDK if I'm the only one who has experienced this, or if I'm just reading too much into it, but whatever I'll throw this out there.
It seems like whenever the sickest, or the most elderly, passes on, the next one in line (as far as age, etc.) IMMEDIATELY has problems. When one of our dogs died, the n oldest immediately developed organ problems. When that one died years later, another one developed some health issues. When an elderly cat dies here, it's like the next one in line starts having issues. It's so weird.
I call it "passing the baton of life"...one has problems, fights the good fight, then passes on and almost immediately the next one in life is like "hey, guess what. I have liver disease" or "have you ever heard a heart disease cough? Let me show you what it sounds like" or "stealth kidney disease time", etc. =/
I'm not sure if it's like that 100% or not, but I do know that in our family, when one passes, those closest to that one are definitely grieving, and yes, sometimes they are the next to pass. This has happened more than once.
And you're so right in your "What's with these guys anyway?" thought. :sigh::sniffle::bawling:
 

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I've seen it happen in humans, as well. When my 14 paternal (?!?) great aunts and uncles began to have problems, there was a domino effect. We lost most of them within in 3 year period, and that's not long to lose 12 out of the 14. Yes, animals grieve. They mourn. And grief can absolutely negatively impact health and immune responses.
 

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I've seen it happen in humans, as well. When my 14 paternal (?!?) great aunts and uncles began to have problems, there was a domino effect. We lost most of them within in 3 year period, and that's not long to lose 12 out of the 14. Yes, animals grieve. They mourn. And grief can absolutely negatively impact health and immune responses.
My condolences for your losses, Mamanyt1953 Mamanyt1953 and I have seen it in my family as well, in another way. After my mom passed untimely, my dad's heart broke, and then his mind broke as well. He outlived her by several years, but he wasn't himself, for the most part. He had been a brilliant man and it was hard to see this happen.
 

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Cats do grieve. When my Benji stopped eating I would put him in his room with his other two friends 13 and 12 years old. My Benji was almost 12. They grew up all together. So the first two days his two mates would not eat either. That is when I took Benji to my room and only brought him to his mates once a day but again they smelled him and didn't eat and since Benji did not seem to enjoy their company but just hang over the water bowl I didn't bring him to them that much.

As you all know I had to put him down after a 36-day period of force feeding him and IV fluids and anti-nausea injections and antibiotics a.s.o.

The vet (vets actually because they are three in this office) could not tell what made him lose so much weight so fast (more than half his weight). What I want to say here is vets don't know everything for sure and since they have to deal with patients who can tell them what the problem is they make guesses.

First he had liver issues then he didn't. Then he had kidney issues then he didn't and later he had diabetes issues then he didn't again.

In my humble opinion when a cat goes down with something they most commonly don't get out of it. Well miracles do happen and when Benji started eating on his own twice within this period, I thought it was a miracle but he fell even deeper afterwards.

Also his behavior had changed. He used to be very vocal and he wasn't, he used to purr all the time around me and he didn't, he used to lick my hand and again he stopped. All these were signs that there was something wrong.

Dear ckani, an MRI could show the vet more, but again if there is a tumor what will he do. After my experience of having to put him to sleep last Saturday, I can say that if I had to do it again, I wouldn't wait that long and torture my poor love for so long. Because force feeding is torture for them to tell the truth, at least from what I could see with Benji.

As long as he eats on his own though and goes to the litter box and grooms himself it is much better a situation than mine. Also weigh him often. If I had done it three months ago maybe it would have been different for my Benji, I don't know, but by holding him in my arms I could not see the weight loss till it was too late.

My hopes and prayers are with you both and please do update us. I am so happy I have entered this beautiful family of Cat lovers as I received so much support and I want to give it back. So we are close to you, I wish I were a vet and could help you more, but I am only a mother of 6 cats now and I hope they won't all start going down one after the other because the two of them are in Benji's age group as I mentioned before.

Many hugs and love to you. Be strong and let us know.
 

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Cats do grieve. When my Benji stopped eating I would put him in his room with his other two friends 13 and 12 years old. My Benji was almost 12. They grew up all together. So the first two days his two mates would not eat either. That is when I took Benji to my room and only brought him to his mates once a day but again they smelled him and didn't eat and since Benji did not seem to enjoy their company but just hang over the water bowl I didn't bring him to them that much.

As you all know I had to put him down after a 36-day period of force feeding him and IV fluids and anti-nausea injections and antibiotics a.s.o.

The vet (vets actually because they are three in this office) could not tell what made him lose so much weight so fast (more than half his weight). What I want to say here is vets don't know everything for sure and since they have to deal with patients who can tell them what the problem is they make guesses.

First he had liver issues then he didn't. Then he had kidney issues then he didn't and later he had diabetes issues then he didn't again.

In my humble opinion when a cat goes down with something they most commonly don't get out of it. Well miracles do happen and when Benji started eating on his own twice within this period, I thought it was a miracle but he fell even deeper afterwards.

Also his behavior had changed. He used to be very vocal and he wasn't, he used to purr all the time around me and he didn't, he used to lick my hand and again he stopped. All these were signs that there was something wrong.

Dear ckani, an MRI could show the vet more, but again if there is a tumor what will he do. After my experience of having to put him to sleep last Saturday, I can say that if I had to do it again, I wouldn't wait that long and torture my poor love for so long. Because force feeding is torture for them to tell the truth, at least from what I could see with Benji.

As long as he eats on his own though and goes to the litter box and grooms himself it is much better a situation than mine. Also weigh him often. If I had done it three months ago maybe it would have been different for my Benji, I don't know, but by holding him in my arms I could not see the weight loss till it was too late.

My hopes and prayers are with you both and please do update us. I am so happy I have entered this beautiful family of Cat lovers as I received so much support and I want to give it back. So we are close to you, I wish I were a vet and could help you more, but I am only a mother of 6 cats now and I hope they won't all start going down one after the other because the two of them are in Benji's age group as I mentioned before.

Many hugs and love to you. Be strong and let us know.
My heartfelt condolences for your loss of beloved Benji. Twelve is not old for a cat -- in fact it is just a little more than mid-life for many cats -- but cats, like people, can sicken and pass at any age, from any of countless things. I pray your other cats will be all right and will live long, happy, healthy and loved lives with you. It is so true that cats, like people and perhaps more than people because I have seen it said and believe that cats are more sensitive than (most) people and bond more deeply to those they love, grieve lost loved ones. I have experienced it too many times not to know this.
Be strong and know that Benji watches over you all until you are reunited in due time. And may the love you shared, be given to your other feline family members, to help them and you to get through this sad time.
 

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Thank you, tarasgirl06 tarasgirl06 . It was a rough time, although they were all quite old, ranging in age from just over 90 to 105 (and HE was the one we didn't expect!). Just so many so quickly. I am so sorry you went through that with your parents. It happens so often where there is such a deep bond. And it seems to happen with our beloved animals like that, too. If ever anyone questions whether or not cats and dogs feel love, they should have to watch them grieve as we do.
 
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