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Shoot! I thought mixing a little A/D into her I/D would get her eating her meals again. And it did. She finished her second dinner and made a decent first pass on breakfast. But all that fat in the A/D must have gummed up her works.
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Around 6:30 this morning when she would have been thinking about a second pass on breakfast she instead went to the office to bring up a gross food and hairball. And two spits after. Three site cleanup. Quiet hours be damned I’m bringing out the Bissell. I get halfway through the second site before I realize the Bissell itself is having a massive hairball. So I had to pull out its cleaning tool and pull all the hair out of the cleaning heads.

This may be common among cats. But it’s not normal. We’re at hairball/spits every couple of weeks. It will only get worse from here if I remain stubborn. I’m calling up her IM today and getting her reevaluated. Probably means another ultrasound. (Still haven’t finished paying for her cytology last month.) Then she’s probably going back on pred. Neither of us can keep going on like this. Pred worked well for her. And maybe we don’t have to go all the way back up to full dose. Or maybe we do. But she also responded well at lower doses. So maybe we knock this down with an initial high dose and then we don’t spend nearly so long on cruise control and try to get her down to something small and sustainable like a 2.5 mg every other day.

At this point, my fear is that this only gets worse over the next month and jeopardizes that dental appointment we were trying to put first. Getting her back on steroids is probably the single best way to ensure that we don’t have to cancel or reschedule that dental. I don’t want to worry about her bringing up a hairball before, during, or after dental surgery. 🤦🏼‍♂️😿
Oh no. I was going to say it's good that the furball passed through her system. But then I read the 2 subsequent posts. Yeah, something's not normal here.
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Oh no. I was going to say it's good that the furball passed through her system. But then I read the 2 subsequent posts. Yeah, something's not normal here.
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I thought it was a good sign that there was hair in her poops too. But apparently not enough. Or as the theory goes, the fat in A/D just gummed it all up. I’m thinking everything I changed since indeprednence needs to be unwound so that I can have a cleaner picture of what’s going on. No more Mouser. Pause on the hemp oil. And the one I’m least looking forward to enforcing, no more Greenies. Because I have a sneaky suspicion that Greenies are treating her taste buds more than her gut. It seems like her remainders may be increasing with the number of Greenies she gets in a day.

Talked to her old vet this morning on a callback. As part of the dental visit, she also got X-rays to determine arthritis. Doc throw out “hip dysplasia” but isn’t really discussing any options other than Adequan or Solensia. I remember why I wanted to give the other vet a try. Her old one likes to “agree to disagree” a lot instead of hearing me out. 🤦🏼‍♂️😾 The new vet is more willing to entertain holistic approaches. Old vet believes Betty’s current struggles are likely gut related as she said she sees cats all day every day with terrible teeth that just keep eating through the pain. I don’t like that answer and told her so. She said she would certainly be willing to write her a Rx for bupe. But I’ve decided that I need to clear the signal channels first. Too many changes in the air. Let’s rewind all the changes first. And then if we’re still stuck, the bupe Rx is already approved and waiting for me to say the word.

Been too busy at work this morning. May wait until tomorrow to call IM.
 

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I thought it was a good sign that there was hair in her poops too. But apparently not enough. Or as the theory goes, the fat in A/D just gummed it all up. I’m thinking everything I changed since indeprednence needs to be unwound so that I can have a cleaner picture of what’s going on. No more Mouser. Pause on the hemp oil. And the one I’m least looking forward to enforcing, no more Greenies. Because I have a sneaky suspicion that Greenies are treating her taste buds more than her gut. It seems like her remainders may be increasing with the number of Greenies she gets in a day.

Talked to her old vet this morning on a callback. As part of the dental visit, she also got X-rays to determine arthritis. Doc throw out “hip dysplasia” but isn’t really discussing any options other than Adequan or Solensia. I remember why I wanted to give the other vet a try. Her old one likes to “agree to disagree” a lot instead of hearing me out. 🤦🏼‍♂️😾 The new vet is more willing to entertain holistic approaches. Old vet believes Betty’s current struggles are likely gut related as she said she sees cats all day every day with terrible teeth that just keep eating through the pain. I don’t like that answer and told her so. She said she would certainly be willing to write her a Rx for bupe. But I’ve decided that I need to clear the signal channels first. Too many changes in the air. Let’s rewind all the changes first. And then if we’re still stuck, the bupe Rx is already approved and waiting for me to say the word.

Been too busy at work this morning. May wait until tomorrow to call IM.
Adequan sounds nightmarish. NO thanks.
New vet sounds MUCH preferable to old vet.
It's a shame if you have to pull Greenies, because Betty seems to enjoy them. Maybe cutting back on them is an alternative -- just a couple per day? but you're her dad and you have to do what you think is best.
 

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I don’t want to cut back on the Greenies either. They light her up with joy that few things else do. But I want to see if I can’t hit the reset button on this slow motion car crash.

If she’s no better or worse without the Greenies, I can bring them back.

Along the same lines, I want to wait a day or three to call the IM. I want to see if the reset works. Not that I don’t think she needs to see him. But I don’t want to have that discussion in peak despair. If Betty could stage a little rally by simplifying, I’d love the breathing room that gives me in the conversation. Because everyone with a degree is rubbing their hands together and rushing towards catastrophe.
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I don’t want to cut back on the Greenies either. They light her up with joy that few things else do. But I want to see if I can’t hit the reset button on this slow motion car crash.

If she’s no better or worse without the Greenies, I can bring them back.

Along the same lines, I want to wait a day or three to call the IM. I want to see if the reset works. Not that I don’t think she needs to see him. But I don’t want to have that discussion in peak despair. If Betty could stage a little rally by simplifying, I’d love the breathing room that gives me in the conversation. Because everyone with a degree is rubbing their hands together and rushing towards catastrophe.
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Agree 100%. Especially on that last. :sigh: They're worse than lawyers IMHO.
 

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Agree 100%. Especially on that last. :sigh: They're worse than lawyers IMHO.
I mean I just went through my weekly Monday morning toilet torture over the chips and salsa I enjoy on the weekends. Joy on the lips doesn’t mean it’s good going on through. And like Betty, I just keep eating them despite knowing what they’re going to do to me. My theory is that neither chips not salsa have a meaningful amount of fiber. It’s like trying to dance with a boneless chicken. 🤦🏼‍♂️ Maybe I should be eating Greenies on my chips and salsa nights. 😹
 

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I mean I just went through my weekly Monday morning toilet torture over the chips and salsa I enjoy on the weekends. Joy on the lips doesn’t mean it’s good going on through. And like Betty, I just keep eating them despite knowing what they’re going to do to me. My theory is that neither chips not salsa have a meaningful amount of fiber. It’s like trying to dance with a boneless chicken. 🤦🏼‍♂️ Maybe I should be eating Greenies on my chips and salsa nights. 😹
OH NOES! :disappointed: Awww, I'm sorry for you about that. It's in my genes to love, crave and need tortillas, tortillas chips, corn, all that, plus the hottest salsas I can get. So far, so good on that. But I've had food poisoning from other stuff a fair amount of times and so I can empathize with those who get grief from their food. I think I must have set some kind of record for the number of times puked on one tin of questionable apricots my mom once bought me from a 99c store. It didn't look compromised. But OH. I thought I was gonna have to get someone to put my whole digestive tract back in. It was something like 67 times. :barfgreen:🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
There are a few different varieties of Feline Greenies, for just about every PURRpose, though. :crackup:
 

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OH NOES! :disappointed: Awww, I'm sorry for you about that. It's in my genes to love, crave and need tortillas, tortillas chips, corn, all that, plus the hottest salsas I can get. So far, so good on that. But I've had food poisoning from other stuff a fair amount of times and so I can empathize with those who get grief from their food. I think I must have set some kind of record for the number of times puked on one tin of questionable apricots my mom once bought me from a 99c store. It didn't look compromised. But OH. I thought I was gonna have to get someone to put my whole digestive tract back in. It was something like 67 times. :barfgreen:🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
There are a few different varieties of Feline Greenies, for just about every PURRpose, though. :crackup:
I may be dancing the devil to be honest. This particular local grocery store has chiller doors that don’t always close all the way. A couple of times I told them so and said, “your salsa is about to explode. It’s not supposed to do that. Fix your chiller doors.” But then I still go through that salsa looking for the least bloated package because it’s such good salsa and I can’t get it anywhere else this side of Santa Cruz. 🤦🏼‍♂️ But yeah. Mostly I think it’s because I eat the same things so consistently during the week that boom! On the weekends, burgers and chips and salsa all throw my gut for a loop.
 

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I guess that’s probably what happened to Betty this morning. She eats a pretty consistent amount of stew with just a little frosting to help her eat something with meds. But then last night I got worried about her light eating and poured her second dinner and first breakfast with a heavy hand of frosting mixed in. Boom! No wonder she popped this morning. The hairball she brought up may just the hairball she brought up. There may be more coming in the box tonight. And if the Greenies are making her feel bad, then she’s got another day or two to poop all those out. Sure. She may love those little cookies. But a cat can’t live on cookies alone. I told her, “you can nibble tonight. I’m going to have a light touch right now. You can nibble tomorrow until I see some big Greenies poops. But if you’re still nibbling by dinner, you’re getting a wet willy.” I’m sure I still have a Mirataz tube in her half of the medicine chest. I hope it doesn’t come to that. But I’m going to pretend today is all necessary gut rest and hope for the best tonight and tomorrow if we simply go back to the basics.
 

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I guess that’s probably what happened to Betty this morning. She eats a pretty consistent amount of stew with just a little frosting to help her eat something with meds. But then last night I got worried about her light eating and poured her second dinner and first breakfast with a heavy hand of frosting mixed in. Boom! No wonder she popped this morning. The hairball she brought up may just the hairball she brought up. There may be more coming in the box tonight. And if the Greenies are making her feel bad, then she’s got another day or two to poop all those out. Sure. She may love those little cookies. But a cat can’t live on cookies alone. I told her, “you can nibble tonight. I’m going to have a light touch right now. You can nibble tomorrow until I see some big Greenies poops. But if you’re still nibbling by dinner, you’re getting a wet willy.” I’m sure I still have a Mirataz tube in her half of the medicine chest. I hope it doesn’t come to that. But I’m going to pretend today is all necessary gut rest and hope for the best tonight and tomorrow if we simply go back to the basics.
My market used to have the best stuffed cabbage leaves-all veg, lots of protein, really nice. But gradually, they started being "iffy" and finally they stopped carrying them altogether. Bye-bye, easy dinners for 6 nights. I'm thinking there was a similar problem to yours somewhere in the process. I miss them but I don't miss getting sick from them.
Salsa can really be nasty if it's "iffy." Any kind of tomato product can.
I have had problems with my refrigerator, too. Getting to know the repair guy after 2 visits, but I love my refrigerator and it's a built-in. Replacement isn't possible. The next best would be a smaller unit for $$$. So I'm holding on to this one as long as possible. Everything these days is getting to be a problem!
Poor Betty. Hoping it doesn't come to her having to have a wet willy!!!:sigh::angrycat:
 

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My market used to have the best stuffed cabbage leaves-all veg, lots of protein, really nice. But gradually, they started being "iffy" and finally they stopped carrying them altogether. Bye-bye, easy dinners for 6 nights. I'm thinking there was a similar problem to yours somewhere in the process. I miss them but I don't miss getting sick from them.
Salsa can really be nasty if it's "iffy." Any kind of tomato product can.
I have had problems with my refrigerator, too. Getting to know the repair guy after 2 visits, but I love my refrigerator and it's a built-in. Replacement isn't possible. The next best would be a smaller unit for $$$. So I'm holding on to this one as long as possible. Everything these days is getting to be a problem!
Poor Betty. Hoping it doesn't come to her having to have a wet willy!!!:sigh::angrycat:
I think Betty heard me last night when I told her she could take a day but she gets a wet willy at night if she doesn’t rally. I thought she was taking it to heart last night when she ate half her second dinner in one go. But then she did not return all night and left half a plate. This morning already looks better. Two healthy passes and a nearly forgivable remainder awaits her over the next three hours. I think if she takes one more pass, that would do it. But lunch. That’s where she’s really been dragging for the last several days. I didn’t give her a Greenie this morning. I gave her a freeze dried rabbit meat treat. She likes those but doesn’t hound me for them like Greenies. And since the only ingredient is rabbit, I don’t have to worry too much about them gumming up her system.

I don’t think the salsa I’ve been buying has spoiled. I know quite well what food poisoning feels like. I just think my gut is not meant to have that much salsa passing through it—often the full 4 oz tub. Not to be too graphic, but it feels like salsa in, salsa out. Not great for 💩 formation. 🤦🏼‍♂️😔 And yet Happy Jackal “Hellfire” salsa is just that good that when I run out of chips, I’ll spoon it up with fingers until there’s an empty tub. 😹
 

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Breakfast is in the books. Amazing what those little fiber cookies were doing to her appetite. Let’s see how she does on lunch when I’m not filling her tummy with fiber bombs. We’re both going to miss those. She seemed like she would do anything for them and I was already plotting. 😈😹

We’ll find better treats for her. At least she’s still happy with the rabbit treats. And I suppose she can get a Greenie on Sundays if it helps get her off the bed and onto the scale.
 

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Breakfast is in the books. Amazing what those little fiber cookies were doing to her appetite. Let’s see how she does on lunch when I’m not filling her tummy with fiber bombs. We’re both going to miss those. She seemed like she would do anything for them and I was already plotting. 😈😹

We’ll find better treats for her. At least she’s still happy with the rabbit treats. And I suppose she can get a Greenie on Sundays if it helps get her off the bed and onto the scale.
...or even a CATurday Greenie!:winkcat::lovecat2: Yeah, there are all kinds of freeze-dried one-ingredient treats available. Lots to choose from.

Yeah, when something is THAT good, you just pays your money and takes your chances. I'm really lactose intolerant, even with the supplements, so I avoid most dairy. I can tolerate cheese. If I eat yoghurt or ice cream, though, I suffer pain. Maybe a lesser amount of Happy Jackal "Hellfire" Salsa per sitting would result in less...sitting? But I know there are things you just can't stop eating. For me, it's kaki no tane. When my roomies go to their favorite supermarket and bring back some for me, I know I'm going to have a problem, not digestively, but just will-power-ly. I have none when it comes to those. :sigh:
 

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...or even a CATurday Greenie!:winkcat::lovecat2: Yeah, there are all kinds of freeze-dried one-ingredient treats available. Lots to choose from.

Yeah, when something is THAT good, you just pays your money and takes your chances. I'm really lactose intolerant, even with the supplements, so I avoid most dairy. I can tolerate cheese. If I eat yoghurt or ice cream, though, I suffer pain. Maybe a lesser amount of Happy Jackal "Hellfire" Salsa per sitting would result in less...sitting? But I know there are things you just can't stop eating. For me, it's kaki no tane. When my roomies go to their favorite supermarket and bring back some for me, I know I'm going to have a problem, not digestively, but just will-power-ly. I have none when it comes to those. :sigh:
I had to look it up. But oh yeah. Kaki no tane is the perfect thing for me to buy a tub to sit next to or on my desk. It would last two days. That's exactly why I don't buy that. That's also why I only buy that chips and salsa once a week. I've tried moderation. Doesn't work. Ingress doesn't have the problem that egress has. So night self keeps writing checks morning self has trouble cashing. What I really need to do is eat a big plate of fiber to go with it. Like refried beans. Maybe have taco Sundays.

Betty ate about half her lunch. That's a half more than yesterday. She seems to be rallying. But not completely back. She postponed her wet willy. We still need to see if she can bring her portions back up over the next couple of days. I may still be calling the IM later this week or next. But at least it looks like I have some breathing room here. It's not a "she's not eating" call.

Old vet said she thinks a hairball a month is nothing to be concerned about. It would be nice if it was only one a month. But it was also nice to go a whole year without them. And at the very least, she doesn't yowl before them like she used to and it doesn't tear her up all day like before. So we still have some improvement there. But on the other paw, that all had to start somewhere. And I think trying to be over-optimistic here is just waiting for it to get worse.

She does seem better today. She spent all yesterday in the front room cave. Today she at least came down a couple of times to eat and pestered me for fresh fuss and fresh food before I was planning on feeding her. Last night, I came out and started the feeding routine without her knowing that she would eventually catch up to me.

Part of me wonders if all the changes since inde-pred-nenece precipitated this regression. Perhaps I moved too quickly on a couple of heat-related hairballs and introduced Greenies and Mouser and ended up making it all worse. I owe it to myself and to Betty to give this return to basics at least a few more days before I call the IM. But I also owe it to Betty to not let it get much worse if she doesn't rally all the way back.
 

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I had to look it up. But oh yeah. Kaki no tane is the perfect thing for me to buy a tub to sit next to or on my desk. It would last two days. That's exactly why I don't buy that. That's also why I only buy that chips and salsa once a week. I've tried moderation. Doesn't work. Ingress doesn't have the problem that egress has. So night self keeps writing checks morning self has trouble cashing. What I really need to do is eat a big plate of fiber to go with it. Like refried beans. Maybe have taco Sundays.

Betty ate about half her lunch. That's a half more than yesterday. She seems to be rallying. But not completely back. She postponed her wet willy. We still need to see if she can bring her portions back up over the next couple of days. I may still be calling the IM later this week or next. But at least it looks like I have some breathing room here. It's not a "she's not eating" call.

Old vet said she thinks a hairball a month is nothing to be concerned about. It would be nice if it was only one a month. But it was also nice to go a whole year without them. And at the very least, she doesn't yowl before them like she used to and it doesn't tear her up all day like before. So we still have some improvement there. But on the other paw, that all had to start somewhere. And I think trying to be over-optimistic here is just waiting for it to get worse.

She does seem better today. She spent all yesterday in the front room cave. Today she at least came down a couple of times to eat and pestered me for fresh fuss and fresh food before I was planning on feeding her. Last night, I came out and started the feeding routine without her knowing that she would eventually catch up to me.

Part of me wonders if all the changes since inde-pred-nenece precipitated this regression. Perhaps I moved too quickly on a couple of heat-related hairballs and introduced Greenies and Mouser and ended up making it all worse. I owe it to myself and to Betty to give this return to basics at least a few more days before I call the IM. But I also owe it to Betty to not let it get much worse if she doesn't rally all the way back.
Yes on all. And I agree with old vet on that. It's really quite normal for cats to have furballs once in awhile because they're such fastidious groomers. And as we talked about the other day, we constantly shed hair and cats constantly shed fur. You could follow Betty around all day with a brush but she'd still shed when you're sleeping. I have a buzzcut and I'm still amazed by the amount of 2" long hair I sweep up from the bathroom floor every day. I really wouldn't worry about it unless she has a lot of them.
There've been yowlers and non-yowlers in our furmily. Elvis is a pretty silent and occasional furball-depositor. He'll just all of a sudden assume the position and yup! Nice small furball for me, usually with a little food. It doesn't phase us.
On the subject of tacos, I love corn tortillas with black beans, lettuce or cabbage, tomato, onion, cheese ("real" or not) and salsa.
I can eat an astronomical amount of kaki no tane at one go. It's almost impossible not to. I had some at a party once and that was it. Fortunately, the store where I shop doesn't carry them. So the only time I have them is when my roomies go to their supermarket downtown, once a month or less. It works out pretty well.
Don't do it. You'll regret it. I'm sorry I mentioned them. But they're my one can't-stop thing, along with -- you guessed it -- tortilla chips and salsa. *moderation shmoderation. If we were meant to moderate our intake, they wouldn't be that good.*:insertevillaugh: Anyway,tortilla chips are corn and in my family, corn is sacred. Salsa? Tomatoes, peppers and onions. Good vegetables. (Well, okay, tomatoes are fruits. So fruits AND vegetables. Eat 5 a day. At least.) Kaki no tane are rice. I like the ones that come with peanuts. So, protein, too. It's not like we're binging on ice cream or candy, after all. Same with the Greenies. My MO is always to eat really well, but to give myself a tiny bit of leeway when it comes to "treats." *Well, okay, so it's not a tiny bit. 😁*
 

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Betty left half her lunch. But then she staged a remarkable rally last night. She finished both dinner and second dinner. Second dinner was in the books before midnight. When breakfast came, she ate half of it in one go without waiting for meds to kick in. 😲👍 She took her second pass at the usual time (just before I wake for my own breakfast.). Her breakfast is already in the books and mine is on the stove. Chips and salsa. 😹 Kidding! 🤦🏼‍♂️
 

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Betty left half her lunch. But then she staged a remarkable rally last night. She finished both dinner and second dinner. Second dinner was in the books before midnight. When breakfast came, she ate half of it in one go without waiting for meds to kick in. 😲👍 She took her second pass at the usual time (just before I wake for my own breakfast.). Her breakfast is already in the books and mine is on the stove. Chips and salsa. 😹 Kidding! 🤦🏼‍♂️
Hope first and second breakfast, er, dinner, stays where it'll benefit, and not anywhere else.
Yeah, well, it could be worse than chips and salsa if you picked those. I'm appalled by some of the stuff people eat. They'd probably feel likewise about my diet.
Hey, if it works, it works.
 

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Breakfast was in the books early yesterday. So she begged me for lunch during my 11am conference call. She gave up and burrowed into the blankets on the bed. And that’s where she spent most of the afternoon. At some point I grabbed an end of the mound looking for which end to Loop. At 3:30, I pulled the blanket off her and said enough. Go eat something. Then I stepped outside for some warmth and a break. And when I came back, half of lunch was eaten and she had crawled herself back into the blankets. My Garfield was having a Monday on a Wednesday. At dinner, she ate half in one go and I realized the last couple of weeks of struggles were my fault. (“Hi. It’s me. I’m the problem. It’s me.” 😹) Dinner and second dinner were put away in regular order. Breakfast this morning she took a couple of nibbles at meds time. We slept for third breakfast and per usual she woke just before me and made a very healthy second pass. I would say breakfast is already in forgivable reminder territory. I’m sure she’ll finish the plate before lunch. Lunch may remain a sticking point. But that’s fine. As long as she doesn’t skip too much of it too often, I think we can find a good amount and a good weight for her. So yeah. I’m starting to doubt whether any of her recent issues were anything more than me trying to steer her ship too quickly or too richly. We may still be back to her weight problem. But at least it’s no longer a she’s not eating problem. Maybe we can find a healthy amount of Greenies that keeps her eating. But not too much? 🤷🏼‍♂️
 

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Hi @daftcat.....
Just wanted to ease your mind. My Oreo is the one with a weight problem. She came to me five years ago this way and nothing has changed.

Kind of amazing considering most scarf and barfers are thin? No worries, just hoped it would help ease your mind with Betty. She has a very caring dad so hopefully you are not offended.
I mean well....

Lisa, Oreo and the rest of my kitty crew
 

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Nice of you and great pic, Docs Mom Docs Mom and good on you both, daftcat75 daftcat75 and Betty! Learning experiences are always best, I find, when we find things out for ourselves and are able to improve on situations. Cats being cats, Betty may not always be consistent and she may occasionally have furballs & regurges. Those, in my lifetime of cat experience, are catly normal. Maybe a Greenie or two nightly? or less often? They are TREATS, after all...;)
 
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