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I was considering ordering some online from overseas and just paying to get it shipped as fast as possible. Has anyone ever done that here?
I am sorry that you have continued to receive such harsh and frustrating treatment. To answer your question, I have ordered prescriptions from Canada for my dogs...actually it was one dog years ago who was enrolled in an experimental program which required the use of a human prescription.

Using Canada as an example, a legitimate Canadian pharmacy who does business with the US will often accept a legitimate prescription from the states and send it directly to the client. This is legal. I don't have names of pharmacies any longer, but it would not be that hard to find one I am sure.

It is not legal for someone to send medication privately bypassing a legal prescription and pharmacy.

There are some pharmacies who offer the option of getting prescription medication (Revolution is a big one) without a prescription. I personally would not do this. To me, it is shady and in your case you have been through enough with your cats to risk getting some expired or tampered with medication.

I don't know if crossing a border, if that were applicable, with a prescription would allow it to be filled or not.
 
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I am sorry that you have continued to receive such harsh and frustrating treatment. To answer your question, I have ordered prescriptions from Canada for my dogs...actually it was one dog years ago who was enrolled in an experimental program which required the use of a human prescription.

Using Canada as an example, a legitimate Canadian pharmacy who does business with the US will often accept a legitimate prescription from the states and send it directly to the client. This is legal. I don't have names of pharmacies any longer, but it would not be that hard to find one I am sure.

It is not legal for someone to send medication privately bypassing a legal prescription and pharmacy.

There are some pharmacies who offer the option of getting prescription medication (Revolution is a big one) without a prescription. I personally would not do this. To me, it is shady and in your case you have been through enough with your cats to risk getting some expired or tampered with medication.

I don't know if crossing a border, if that were applicable, with a prescription would allow it to be filled or not.
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The words harsh and frustrating really do no apply here at all, negligent, perhaps illegal and deranged/ cruel is more like it.

I don’t believe they can withhold the right amount of medication to treat a life threatening condition, or any condition. The fact that I wasn’t given enough medication to fully treat Xena for a serious life threatening condition- toxoplasmosis pneumonia, which Merlin just died from also due to negligence in part, is negligence, it’s not harsh or frustrating etc. I hope you understand that.

The way those people treated me and what that doctor said to me yesterday is totally unacceptable and crazy! I think that’s an understatement.

They are holding this over my head in order to force me to keep coming back to them, which is what the one I just talked to yesterday on the phone was trying to do I suppose. Bully me into coming back there to get more medication or whatever else I needed if I can’t get it from the other doctors. Instead of just refilling it for me, which is what he wrote on the paperwork that Zena should be treated at home because of what happened when he came there and then it should be refilled three times. at the least I should’ve been given two weeks so I wouldn’t get into a situation where I’m anywhere near running out of it. Which is the low end of what it takes to treat toxoplasmosis infections. And I shouldn’t have had anti-nausea drugs delayed by that other idiot. I should’ve been given that immediately so that his treatment with clindamycin wasn’t delayed.

As it was those abusive women told me I would not be allowed to get medication from them if I didn't come back there with Zena, and I could only speak to the treating doc. Otherwise I had to go to a primary care doc, which I explained to them several times I don’t have one now and I explained to them why because of what happened with Merlin. And I told them I was only lucky that I had made an appointment two weeks ago for this Wednesday. Due to him vomiting up two pills. I’m already down a day or two from the treatment.

I’m sure many of us are aware now, even if you have a primary care doctor, they may not fit you in in a timely manner and or you may not be able to get your medication if your cat hasn’t been seen by that doctor within a year now it’s some new rule they’ve started which causes duress and unsafe situations for everybody, and it ends up with situations like this.

This is something that medical professionals, if they are actually medical professionals who are knowledgeable and professional, are supposed to understand and take care of properly while they treat people with respect.

They’re not supposed to terrorize people, and make them feel that they aren’t going to get the medication they need to treat their cat or dog, etc. and all the while knowing their cat or dog could die because of that. And they’re not supposed to tell people when their staff are abusive that it’s the person‘s fault.

The other doc, who was also not trained here who I managed to speak to after not accepting a no, refused to give him cerenia, went from saying it was an obstruction to. It was his treat that caused him to vomit and was condescending, rude and making fun of me. I don’t have his name yet so I can’t look him up and see where he came from but I’m sure that he’s not educated here and he didn’t get a degree in this country.

I really have to wonder why the one yesterday even said all of that to me, there to be a reason for it other than
being abusive and unstable.

I think they must be worried because of what the last abusive woman said to me on the phone, she said that if the other doctor spoke to me, he could lose his license. I told my brother that and he was immediately suspicious about all of this.

That is the doctor that was not trained in this country, who also treated Merlin at another hospital, who was zoned out, and who knows if he’s even legally practicing here, or he may have sanctions, maybe they can get in trouble for that and they’re worried.
I told her that I was recording the phone call, to have evidence that if they try to lie and say that I was screaming at them, I will have proof that I was not screaming at them.

I’m not interested in ordering prescriptions from Canada. I still need an RX for that. I’m interested in ordering them from other countries overseas where I don’t need an RX. I thought that was clear from what I said.

With an rx I can get enough Zofran & clidamycin to treat Xena for the rest of the duration, Quinn, and cinnamon if I use a GoodRx coupon. I can go to a pharmacy and get all of it for about $60.

I’ve already spent $20 on one week of clindamaycin at the scam hospital- two pills at least he vomited, and $43 on 4 pills of cerenia.

In addition, the only reason he’s being treated now is because I had Zofran at home. I mentioned Zofran to the doctor, and I use that term very lightly here now, yesterday and he wasn’t even even aware that cats could use that. But he figured out that the dose should be half a 4 mg tablet once a day it’s a dissolving tablet which I put into a lickable treat and put it in his mouth and he has no trouble taking it.

Cerenia did not stop his nausea, but the Zofran worked right away.

A word of advice here- I’m not sure how much you have interacted with medical professionals, but I’ve interacted more than I ever have cared to in my entire life and the phrase they use when they know you have them on the hook and they are wrong is they say, “I know how frustrating this is for you”

They are taught to say this by new pseudo psychiatry trends I suppose etc. and it’s the worst possible thing you can say to someone who’s frantically just trying to get treatments or medication from a bunch of loons so their loved one, furry or human, won’t die, etc.
 
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Thanks.

The words harsh and frustrating really do no apply here at all, negligent, perhaps illegal and deranged/ cruel is more like it.

I don’t believe they can withhold the right amount of medication to treat a life threatening condition, or any condition. The fact that I wasn’t given enough medication to fully treat Xena for a serious life threatening condition- toxoplasmosis pneumonia, which Merlin just died from also due to negligence in part, is negligence, it’s not harsh or frustrating etc. I hope you understand that.
The way those people treated me and what that doctor said to me yesterday is totally unacceptable and crazy!

They are holding this over my head in order to force me to keep coming back to them, which is what the one I just talked to yesterday on the phone was trying to do I suppose. Bully me into coming back there to get more medication or whatever else I needed if I can’t get it from the other doctors. Instead of just refilling it for me, which is what he wrote on the paperwork that Zena should be treated at home because of what happened when he came there and then it should be refilled three times. at the least I should’ve been given two weeks so I wouldn’t get into a situation where I’m anywhere near running out of it. Which is the low end is the low end of what it takes to treat toxoplasmosis infections. And I shouldn’t have had anti-nausea drugs delayed by that other idiot I should’ve been been given that immediately so that his treatment with clindamycin wasn’t delayed.

As it was those abusive women told me, I would not be allowed to get medication from them if I didn't come back there with Zena, and I could only speak to the treating doc.

The other doc, who was also not trained here who I managed to speak to after not accepting a no, refused to give him cerenia, went from saying it was an obstruction to. It was his treat that caused him to vomit and was condescending, rude and making fun of me. I don’t have his name yet so I can’t look him up and see where he came from but I’m sure that he’s not educated here and he didn’t get a degree in this country.

I really have to wonder why the one yesterday even said all of that to me, there to be a reason for it other than
being abusive and unstable.

I think they must be worried because of what the last abusive woman said to me on the phone, she said that if the other doctor spoke to me, he could lose his license. I told my brother that and he was immediately suspicious about all of this.

That is the doctor that was not trained in this country, who also treated Merlin at another hospital, who was zoned out, and who knows if he’s even legally practicing here, or he may have sanctions, maybe they can get in trouble for that and they’re worried.
I told her that I was recording the phone call, to have evidence that if they try to lie and say that I was screaming at them, I will have proof that I was not screaming at them.

I’m not interested in ordering prescriptions from Canada. I still need an RX for that. I’m interested in ordering them from other countries overseas where I don’t need an RX. I thought that was clear from what I said.

With an rx I can get enough Zofran & clidamycin to treat Xena for the rest of the duration, Quinn, and cinnamon if I use a GoodRx coupon. I can go to a pharmacy and get all of it for about $60.

I’ve already spent $20 on one week of clindamaycin at the scam hospital- two pills at least he vomited, and $43 on 4 pills of cerenia.
Personally I don't trust overseas meds without a Rx not because it is illegal(I could care less about what is legal when it comes to my cats) BUT any company dispensing and shipping drugs illegally is not anyone I could that it is what they say it is- for all I know they can be sending placebo.I wouldn't chance it if I were you my friend

Do they dispense where you went or give you the Rx to buy elsewhere?

Do you have a primary physician of your own? It's just a thought but antibiotics can be prescribed over the phone without an office visit required (here in USA)..... Do you have Tele Docs where you are that you can call?

You'd have to be allergic to penicillin lets say for the treatment of strep throat for example- it's a strong anti biotics and not commonly used for most bacterial infections but here in Florida it seems they prescribe whatever anti biotics the patient asks for and says that's what worked for them..... These Tele Docs are getting very popular,I think it's nuts but I know quite a few that used them for scripts ( not narcotics,that's illegal by phone)

I dunno,sounds better than ordering overseas without a Rx and being concerned about what the substance is- does that sound insane,possible or a bad idea?
 
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Personally I don't trust overseas meds without a Rx not because it is illegal(I could care less about what is legal when it comes to my cats) BUT any company dispensing and shipping drugs illegally is not anyone I could that it is what they say it is- for all I know they can be sending placebo.I wouldn't chance it if I were you my friend

Do they dispense where you went or give you the Rx to buy elsewhere?

Do you have a primary physician of your own? It's just a thought but antibiotics can be prescribed over the phone without an office visit required (here in USA)..... Do you have Tele Docs where you are that you can call?

You'd have to be allergic to penicillin lets say for the treatment of strep throat for example- it's a strong anti biotics and not commonly used for most bacterial infections but here in Florida it seems they prescribe whatever anti biotics the patient asks for and says that's what worked for them..... These Tele Docs are getting very popular,I think it's nuts but I know quite a few that used them for scripts ( not narcotics,that's illegal by phone)

I dunno,sounds better than ordering overseas without a Rx and being concerned about what the substance is- does that sound insane,possible or a bad idea?
Thanks 😀
I have gotten rx overseas that were ok, for my cat Byron, and so has my brother. I don’t think I can get them here in time now though.
I have gotten tele-health antibiotics once. I’m in New York and the rules here are absolutely ridiculous. It’s harder to get an antibiotic here than it is to get a pain killer. I had to laugh when you said antibiotics can be prescribed over the phone. No one will do that here now except the telehealth.

There’s no way my primary care would give me one. I had a tick bite last year and she wouldn’t prescribe me an antibiotic even though I knew it was a nymph tick… a deer tick because we have deer in our yard. I didn’t want to take the risk of Lyme disease. Fortunately I had antibiotics at home which I often do.

They wanted me to come in there with the tick. They were gonna send out to the lab which would take a week to test it to see if it had lime disease! I said no way am I doing that because by that time I could already have Lyme disease… you’re supposed to get antibiotics within 2 days of a bite.

I didn’t have a full pack, but I had half a pack of Zithromax. Last time this happened to me I went to an infectious disease specialist. He looked at the tick immediately under a microscope said it’s a deer nymph tick and there’s no way to tell how long it’s on you and he put me on three weeks minocycline. it was really a miracle that I managed to get an appointment with him the next morning from when I called them. I think I called them at like 7 AM and they were opening and they let me come in later maybe. I went to another ids before that and it was much harder to get an appointment and now it’s even worse.

I had a bite a few years before that and when I went to Citi MD, they tested me and they gave me a prophylactic antibiotic right away. The test was positive for something other than lyme, and they gave me more antibiotics right away. When I got the tick bite the next time I called them and they told me they wouldn’t give me a prophylactic so that’s why I went to the infectious disease specialist that time by pure luck getting an appointment right away.

This is the state of affairs now of medicine here, they would prefer that you take the risk of getting a serious disease like Lyme disease instead of just giving you an antibiotic to prevent it.

It has got to the point now here where it’s almost impossible to get anyone to give you an antibiotic. My primary care doctor is nasty, and I try never to go to her unless I have to.

It sounds like Florida is a lot better than New York for these things.

If worst comes to worst though, I will get on the phone with a telehealth and ask them for clindamycin. I know the dosage that they need, etc. but I don’t know how much they would give me. I think I actually have a sinus infection or something going on, but I don’t know if they would give me enough. I need it for quinn & cinnamon too, and I need zofran too.
 
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Personally I don't trust overseas meds without a Rx not because it is illegal(I could care less about what is legal when it comes to my cats) BUT any company dispensing and shipping drugs illegally is not anyone I could that it is what they say it is- for all I know they can be sending placebo.I wouldn't chance it if I were you my friend

Do they dispense where you went or give you the Rx to buy elsewhere?

Do you have a primary physician of your own? It's just a thought but antibiotics can be prescribed over the phone without an office visit required (here in USA)..... Do you have Tele Docs where you are that you can call?

You'd have to be allergic to penicillin lets say for the treatment of strep throat for example- it's a strong anti biotics and not commonly used for most bacterial infections but here in Florida it seems they prescribe whatever anti biotics the patient asks for and says that's what worked for them..... These Tele Docs are getting very popular,I think it's nuts but I know quite a few that used them for scripts ( not narcotics,that's illegal by phone)

I dunno,sounds better than ordering overseas without a Rx and being concerned about what the substance is- does that sound insane,possible or a bad idea?
In answer to will the recent er hospital dispense, I have no clue because it would have to be that doctor that I just talked to and I really really don’t want to talk to him again but believe me I’m not above calling that jerk again if I can’t get the new ones to give me the meds needed. Seems like even though his recommendation was treated at home from what he said on the phone. He may try to force me to go back there with Xena, though I have no clue.


I am expecting worst case scenario, but really I don’t think there’s going to be a reason why the doctor were going to on Wednesday would not just continue the treatment recommended.

What I’m really worried about is that he’s gonna freak out there again and he’s probably not even recovered from what happened there. I am worried about Quinn too because he has been coughing on and off too and he hasn’t even started treatment.

I’m just wondering if he needs to be sedated again to get a follow up x-ray if they will do that with gas because I really don’t want to use telazol ever again if I can avoid it.
 

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Oh my goodness- I'm originally from NYC but been in Florida over 40yrs,friends tell me how bad the medical field has gotten and it's mind boggling - and no doubt it's much worse where you are compared to Manhattan -sounds nightmarish to me!

Well if you dealt with the overseas company before and you're confident in what they are sending then you should probably order even if it's late getting to you vs not being able to get it at all. Theyre actually holding that medicine as bait,makes me really angry but you don't have a choice of another option

I know it's not urgent or as important but I just went through something similar with the place I've seen my Vet at over 20yrs that went " corporate'- all 5 are on monthly Revolution and I'm there often for one cat or another - all of a sudden they are trying to strong arm me into appts to get Rx for each cat- seriously? No,keep it- Ill order from Chewy and have my Vet approved it from wherever he is as long as I can until I can't but I don't want to give them 1nickel..... That's like $400 quarterly from me buying the product there- I'll spend the $130 monthly buying it someplace else not looking to nickel and dime me to death- that's putting the squeeze on me,youd think I was asking for crack cocaine!!!!
 
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Oh my goodness- I'm originally from NYC but been in Florida over 40yrs,friends tell me how bad the medical field has gotten and it's mind boggling - and no doubt it's much worse where you are compared to Manhattan -sounds nightmarish to me!

Well if you dealt with the overseas company before and you're confident in what they are sending then you should probably order even if it's late getting to you vs not being able to get it at all. Theyre actually holding that medicine as bait,makes me really angry but you don't have a choice of another option

I know it's not urgent or as important but I just went through something similar with the place I've seen my Vet at over 20yrs that went " corporate'- all 5 are on monthly Revolution and I'm there often for one cat or another - all of a sudden they are trying to strong arm me into appts to get Rx for each cat- seriously? No,keep it- Ill order from Chewy and have my Vet approved it from wherever he is as long as I can until I can't but I don't want to give them 1nickel..... That's like $400 quarterly from me buying the product there- I'll spend the $130 monthly buying it someplace else not looking to nickel and dime me to death- that's putting the squeeze on me,youd think I was asking for crack cocaine!!!!
Thanks 😀 I may have to. Fingers crossed that the doc on Wednesday will just give us what we need. 🙏🏻

yeah, same thing happened here with all the conglomerations and even the regular practices they all do that now. Well my former regular practice was giving me a hard time because none of the cats had been in within a year. Maybe I don’t even remember now that was back when I fractured my spine, but then they figured out that Xena actually had been so they had told me that I could bring a stool sample and they were tested and then some woman at the desk was giving me a hard time saying they wouldn’t be able to treat them.

Has gotten ridiculous and crazy and it’s all about money they don’t care about the health of the cats and the dogs, etc. or you or anything.

It should be illegal in my opinion if it isn’t already.

You are lucky you have a doctor for you to get it online. The really good doc that I used to go to retired right before the pandemic unfortunately. That was purchased by a conglomeration. It’s really gone downhill. They have a lot of terrible reviews now. I went there once with Quinn and Merlin and then I never went back again.

yes, you are right. It’s much worse where I am than the New York City prolly. this is where they say all the bad doctors human and otherwise come to practice lol.

Them doing that to you is outrageous and disgusting!
 
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In answer to will the recent er hospital dispense, I have no clue because it would have to be that doctor that I just talked to and I really really don’t want to talk to him again but believe me I’m not above calling that jerk again if I can’t get the new ones to give me the meds needed. Seems like even though his recommendation was treated at home from what he said on the phone. He may try to force me to go back there with Xena, though I have no clue.


I am expecting worst case scenario, but really I don’t think there’s going to be a reason why the doctor were going to on Wednesday would not just continue the treatment recommended.

What I’m really worried about is that he’s gonna freak out there again and he’s probably not even recovered from what happened there. I am worried about Quinn too because he has been coughing on and off too and he hasn’t even started treatment.

I’m just wondering if he needs to be sedated again to get a follow up x-ray if they will do that with gas because I really don’t want to use telazol ever again if I can avoid it.
So you're bringing both Zena and Quinn in tomorrow(Wednesday)?

I really feel terrible for what you are going through- there's nothing worse that when our little loves are not well,nothing worse.

Are you okay though? Eating,sleeping?I hope you are trying to take care of yourself as well,I know how easy it is to ignore your own health and make everything 100 times worse by you getting sick .You're in my prayers,you and Zena n Quinn
 
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Yes Wednesday is the big day, and I have to pick up their records at the former Dvm today I couldn’t do it because of everything with Zena the past two days.

I’m hanging in there I’m trying to take care of myself, but I’m probably not getting enough sleep and I’ve gotten into a crazy schedule again because of giving Zena, his medication, etc. calling the hospitals and all of that stuff.

It’s hard on me because I’m not in good health either. I have a lot of conditions and I have type one D, my blood sugar tends to fluctuate a lot and this unbelievable stress makes it even worse.

The stuff I have read about these hospitals and experienced is just mind-boggling. You know you, it makes you feel so helpless… these people are getting away with things that they should never get away with.

I think when I have them all medicated, and feel confident they’re not gonna die from this I’m gonna start feeling better. It’s a terrible fear that Merlin died so rapidly, and suffered, and that they could die rapidly too. He didn’t even seem sick two weeks before he died.

It’s also just hard to have the energy to deal with all these crazy people…at some point you just feel like you wanna crawl into a hole and hide but you can’t because you have to be advocating for your kitties etc.
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Aww,I wish I could do something,do more,be there - the very least I can do is be here for you- ANYTIME, ALL the time

I'd love to say" get some rest' but gee,really? However,I do pray that when you do doze off it's a restful sleep for however long it is- also that tomorrow brings exactly what is needed with the least of effort,I have high hopes for this appt and outcome
 

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I apologize for I don't believe I've expressed to you my deepest sympathy - I know the sudden, unexpected loss of your baby Merlin is devastating.....I'm so sorry (RIP dear Merlin)😘
 
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I apologize for I don't believe I've expressed to you my deepest sympathy - I know the sudden, unexpected loss of your baby Merlin is devastating.....I'm so sorry (RIP dear Merlin)😘
Thanks 🤗

I slept pretty well, but the problem is I’m going to sleep after I give Zena his pill at like 7:30 AM because I’m nocturnal and then I had to sleep until afternoon because I did not feel well.

I called the former dvm yesterday to confirm when they were open today and Sk about the records…and she tells me 9 AM to 9 PM so I go there at about 7 to 730 pm. I arrive to pick up their records which she said were ready. Guess what they’re closed! With a sign on the door that says we’re gonna be back at 5 to 9- like an idiot I sit there waiting thinking maybe they’re gonna come back that night. I called and left them a message also


Just more evidence of incompetence and them being unreliable. I guess someone didn’t show up for their appointment and they decided to just close an hour and a half early. There was no notice of any emergency on the door or anything like that. I don’t think it’s the first time it’s happened there either.

So, now I have to pick them up tomorrow before I go to the other appointment.

I’m gonna be up all night again. I’m gonna go to this appointment on little sleep probably. Unless I take something to help me sleep and try to go to sleep earlier. Then wake up to give him his pill again. Part of the reason I went there later was because I was waiting to give him his pill before I went there so I didn’t have to go there and then rush back to give him his pill. I had to do some shopping on the way home.

I had to buy another plastic carrier because the only other one I have for Quinn is too small. And the only place open was Walmart… and they don’t have ones that open on the top so I just bought a regular medium size plastic one. I hope that’s going to be OK. I don’t think I’m gonna have time to go and buy another nice one that opens on the top and the front before we go to their appointment tomorrow.

I think that I could’ve just had the records emailed it to me, but I prefer to have it all printed out because I feel like when they email it they never give me the full records. Who knows if they’re going to. At some point I’m going to have to go back and request the full records for Merlin because I want to read over all of them again.

The past two times I asked them to email records for each of the hospitals they didn’t do it. I think once maybe they did but they couldn’t find it at the other hospital when I went there and for Merlin, they never did it until he was in an emergency. I asked them to do that in advance in case I had to take him to an ER. so that is why I prefer to have them printed out for me so I can just hand it to them etc.

A lot of these places just do everything for their own convenience. If you’re going to claim that you have evening hours and you’re open from 9 AM to 9 PM why are you closing down an hour and a half early. You should stay there and do other work that you need to do for instance, their records are totally inaccurate so they should be going over all of that. They should be on the phone talking to people who need advice who prolly called them earlier during the day and were told some nonsense by the receptionist because the doctor couldn’t be bothered to talk to them and discuss details with give and take instead of saying I’m too busy, after you spent thousands there.
 
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My goodness,you poor thing just running ragged!The worst part is because of others incompetence and not lack of being organized-Let's hope you'll never have to deal with thst place again- EVER

Yesterday I was talking with a friend who lives near Quebec,she's in a remote area and I thought I was listening to you regarding 2 places pulling the same stunts on her.... it's outrageous thst this kind of practice NO longer unusual or uncommon -I'm so sorry

She kept telling me how the United States doesn't have these issues and how bad it's gotten in Canada- I told her about you and how it's not just Canada
 
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My goodness,you poor thing just running ragged!The worst part is because of others incompetence and not lack of being organized-Let's hope you'll never have to deal with thst place again- EVER

Yesterday I was talking with a friend who lives near Quebec,she's in a remote area and I thought I was listening to you regarding 2 places pulling the same stunts on her.... it's outrageous thst this kind of practice NO longer unusual or uncommon -I'm so sorry

She kept telling me how the United States doesn't have these issues and how bad it's gotten in Canada- I told her about you and how it's not just Canada
Thanks 😀 that is awful that she’s going through the same thing in Canada. I hate that this happens to people it’s just unbelievable. I hope she can find someone better too. Please tell her I understand what she is going through.

when I called today about the records they told me they had an emergency so I guess that could be true. I don’t know. You think if they had an emergency, they would’ve written a note on the door like we had an emergency. I suppose if people had appointments they called and canceled them and advance, and didn’t bother to tell people who were going to come. I called the day before about it.

I honestly hope so too. I think I’m still gonna have to go pick up Merlin’s full records because I’m not sure if I’m going to make a complaint or not and I need them to do that.

I have some good news. We went to the appointment today. I got the x-rays & the bloodwork sent over from the ER hospital again because I couldn’t find my copy of the blood work. I called the above Dvm and she emailed me the I records for them, and I had already organized all from the past that I had folders in my file cabinet.
I was so stressed out there. I got them in the carriers etc. without a huge fuss. But I could tell Zena was getting very stressed out when we got there and there were dogs barking, and stuff. There was a tiny little terrier who barked so loudly it scared me! You were never think you could hear that sound coming out of such a tiny dog.

And we go in I asked the tech if she can help carry them i, she carried in Quinn I think.

I already filled out paperwork what we needed, and went over things with her. Then the Doc comes in. She was just amazing. I don’t think I’ve ever been so relieved in my life although I’m still worried they’re going to die obviously.

She gave me medication for all three cats RX so I can get it at the pharmacy because they didn’t have any clindamycin pills there she said what she does with toxoplasmosis is she treats all the cats in the household.

She examined Quinn and said he looks good. I told her what happened with Zena and she said it’s OK not to examine him now we can do a follow up x-ray later and she asked how he’s been doing.
She said we could do an x-ray on Quinn or we could just wait until after he is medicated since he seems OK I wasn’t sure what to do about that but I didn’t see the point of stressing him right now with that.

I discussed cinnamon and that he’s not touchable. She RX pills and liquid of clindamycin and also pills of generic Zofran.

And she said she has a cat who is like that too because I showed her a video of Xena at home earlier today and he was totally calm so I was kind of shocked that he reacted that way. It was only his second time at Dvm and as you said, I don’t think they handled it the right way and they had a big dog in the room too.

Cinnamon, she said we could try the liquid or for Quinn too if I can’t pull him. I dropped them off and then I picked up the medication at the pharmacy. They didn’t have enough of the C pills so I only got a small amount but enough to keep me going until Friday they get the rest.

the liquid unfortunately I have to get a new prescription for because the liquid amount for people is different than cats so they need to have her write a different dose. So I have to call them tomorrow and ask about that.

I’m a bit worried about the Zofran because it’s not the dissolvable tablet. I crushed half of one and gave it to Quinn putting it in a bit of a licky treat.

He licked a bit off my finger and he kind of freaked out. It must taste bad and he ran away and then I had to catch him to put the rest on his mouth, but then he ate it so it must taste bad and now he doesn’t trust me, I’m just wondering if I should ask for dissolvable instead, there is a dissolvable generic tablet too…it’s tastes sweet. Zena has not had a problem with it at all. He just let me put it in his mouth, but he’s easier to pill than Quinn.

I’m not sure if Quinn is going to let me pill him with the clindamycin. I’m going to put a little bit of my avocado mayonnaise on it because he likes it, but I don’t know if I’m gonna be able to get a pill in his mouth. It’s been several years since I’ve given him any medication. He was a lot younger and he used to let me do it, but he started getting more and more difficult with pills.
I’ve always been very worried about how I will medicate him if he gets sick and here we are.

I’m gonna let the Zofran work and then try his first c pill, if he doesn’t let me do it, it’s possible I can do a liquid with him however, I always worry about giving them the liquids because I’m afraid they’re going to aspirate.

I wonder of I made a mistake and I should’ve done an x-ray on him today. I can always bring them back in again if I have to I have an appointment for next week for cinnamon, a sedated one, but I don’t know if I should bring him in now since she’s already giving me medication.

She said we will need to sedate Zena for his r xray prolly but she said they can use gas or bupenorphren which is safer for cats that have pneumonia.

I’m so tired, I will write more later.

I am shifting into worrying about how they will be again. I’m still very worried they could get worse etc.

So, she is pretty much like my old school dvm used to be. She had looked Zena’s records sent over before we got there I think but didn’t ask to see anything else.
 
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Oh that is just what I hoped and prayed to hear- a competent,compassionate GOOD VET!Thank God! I am so happy you are in Goof hands now.
Treating ALL the cats is the appropriate course of action and I did not even mention thst because you've got enough worries racing through your mind snd that was just not going to happen with those other members of the "F Troop" practice

I'll suggest asking this lovely lady vet if she uses a compound pharmacy because Ondansetron( generic Zofran) can be compounded into gel form for topical application( transdermal).....It's pricey but what good are meds you cannot administer or waste because they are spit out,dissolve on the floor etc etc..... can't hurt to ask,it is not available but it can be compounded. FYI Clindamyacin can also be compounded as a topical product( it does not stay active for long so the concern of stability arises -expires quicky)
So it probably should be compounded in increments- maybe 2,weeks supply at a time) With this kind of Vet this might be an option,my Vet readily sends over orders for compounding as needed or calling in Rx

I know you are going to be worried until the Vet Says Zena is all clear but this has to be a huge relief of part of the weight you've been carrying.....So now she has everyone's records and a plan in place,right? I'm confused about the Xray,why do you feel it cannot wait until next week

Rest my friend and take your time in answering-,You said your very tired,try to rest before you get a second wind!
 
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Oh that is just what I hoped and prayed to hear- a competent,compassionate GOOD VET!Thank God! I am so happy you are in Goof hands now.
Treating ALL the cats is the appropriate course of action and I did not even mention thst because you've got enough worries racing through your mind snd that was just not going to happen with those other members of the "F Troop" practice

I'll suggest asking this lovely lady vet if she uses a compound pharmacy because Ondansetron( generic Zofran) can be compounded into gel form for topical application( transdermal).....It's pricey but what good are meds you cannot administer or waste because they are spit out,dissolve on the floor etc etc..... can't hurt to ask,it is not available but it can be compounded. FYI Clindamyacin can also be compounded as a topical product( it does not stay active for long so the concern of stability arises -expires quicky)
So it probably should be compounded in increments- maybe 2,weeks supply at a time) With this kind of Vet this might be an option,my Vet readily sends over orders for compounding as needed or calling in Rx

I know you are going to be worried until the Vet Says Zena is all clear but this has to be a huge relief of part of the weight you've been carrying.....So now she has everyone's records and a plan in place,right? I'm confused about the Xray,why do you feel it cannot wait until next week

Rest my friend and take your time in answering-,You said your very tired,try to rest before you get a second wind!
Thanks😀

I slept quite a bit, but I’m still exhausted so hopefully I will sleep a little more before I start calling people.

Yes, I definitely feel some kind of weight off of me. I was meaning that I should’ve let her x-ray Quinn when I was there because she was able to examine Quinn. I just figured maybe it would be too stressful for him because he’s never had an x-ray before and I didn’t know how he would react, but he could have pneumonia too since he’s been coughing on and off. I am not sure. F Troop doctor said Xena could also have asthma as an underlying condition due to what the x-ray looked like.

I showed her a video of Quinn coughing etc. She meant you can just wait until the end of the treatment to do another x-ray so Xena will do an x-ray at the end of his C treatment. If he gets worse I will have to take him to a hospital, but I’m just not even gonna entertain that as a possibility hopefully since he seems to be doing well.

Pilling Quinn was a disaster. He wouldn’t let me do it. He was freaking out. We brought him in the bathroom. My brother held him and he just starts pushing you away with his paws etc., and his whole body goes into spasms to stop you, he is very strong for a little siamese, and he cannot stand anything being put in his mouth. He starts kinda biting at you too. He does kind of like a spitting noise it’s not spitting. I don’t know how to describe it. It’s like he tries to open his mouth, but he gets terrified and then he starts jerking around and he shuts it and he makes a strange noise.

When Quinn doesn’t want you to do some thing, his entire body works to stop you and his will, etc. that’s what Siamese are like, a lot of them anyway.

I was waiting for him to fall asleep because I was able to give him the worming pill back in December when I wormed everybody. I think he was asleep and I just did it really fast.

I don’t know if the topical C is going to be able to get enough of the drug into him to treat something like toxoplasmosis as the other doctor at the er hospital said it’s a very high dose that they need for this. And the liquid would be a large amount so it might be harder to give Zena etc.

Fortunately, Zena is very easy to pill. He just lets me put the pill in his mouth. I put a little margarine on it and he swallows it right away unlike one of my sneaky girls, whatever it was I put it in her mouth and I thought she was taking her medication and then I would find all these gel capsule pills under the bed later so she would hide it in her mouth and spit it out later!

I don’t know what I’m gonna do to get Quinn medicated so I’m starting to panic again. I will call the doctor later. Hopefully she’s in today and I will see if the topical is a possibility or she can RX the liquid again with the different dose, and I can try that. She does do compounding and will do that so we can try that too.

I have done a lot of compounds in the past, but even when they make them a flavored the cats had a really hard time with it like they’d be foaming at the mouth, and it was just awful. I noticed that one of the online sites has a generic one that has no flavor and the one I would get if I get it at the pharmacy here with the different dose would be the same thing but for people I think.

The thing I worry about with the liquid is if it tastes bad, they seem to start foaming at the mouth and with Quinn I don’t even even know if I could even get a liquid in his mouth to be honest, and then I’m gonna be worried about aspiration, etc. because I think it’s a larger dose than the normal liquid doses usually are. I don’t understand why they can’t condense them more and make it a smaller dose.

I will ask about the transdermal zofran too. I think if I just get the pills that dissolve in your mouth it should be OK because they’re sweet and I don’t think Quinn would be upset by a sweet taste so I could just rub it on his outside mouth with a little licky treat because it’s such a tiny amount. Zena actually lets me put it in his mouth in the treat, he is very good to medicate.

The thing with Quinn is he just does not want me to put anything in his mouth. In fact I don’t even know how I did the worming pill I guess cause he was half asleep probably.

I don’t even know how I’m gonna give cinnamon any medication because the only option with cinnamon is going to be to put it in his food and he’s going to have to be isolated from the other cats when he eats so they don’t eat it. I can’t even get near him much less touch him although he spends a lot of time with us now- he’s sitting here right now as I’m dictating this looking at me from behind the chair he likes to be in the room with me and the cats a lot but if I move or get up, he’ll just run away and go back upstairs.

I think he wonders what I’m talking, because I’m not talking to any of them or a person etc.

I know some of the transdermal medications I have used in the past didn’t seem to work- like the steroid. I used that once I think for Wizard maybe, I can’t remember now. It wasn’t as effective as a pill. I didn’t feel like the transdermal mirtazapine was very effective with Merlin, although it did seem to have some effect but I mean he was so sick then, it’s hard to tell.

For the steroid, it really was not effective and I remember that was with my really good Dvm then, he said a lot of the transdermals don’t work as well.

I’m wondering if C would be an option as a transdermal/ topical for a severe infection . I know they use it as a topical for acne because I have used that in the past topically and the odd thing is it gives me bad runs which I know is one of the symptoms I’m highly sensitive and I often tend to get the same systemic symptoms from, a transdermal medication as the oral medication.

I was reading another site about toxo and it says there are other drugs they use for a severe infection, but if it gets to bradyzoites treatment is not effective. So I’m getting terrified again. That this treatment is not going to work. But Xena seems better so maybe it is working I think though when it goes to Bradyzoites it just means it’s gone into the muscles and it’s dormant because they overcame the infection.

I just wonder if Merlin had gotten clindamycin or any of those other drugs if he would’ve survived, at least he would’ve had a chance.

I don’t understand why they aren’t available to be injected. It would be much easier to just inject it twice a day.
 
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I understand completely-I've got Timmy who I cannot yet medicate if need be,even Revolution is quite the task and that's 2,seconds one time for 30 days.
-My sweet timid Graycie who I can do anything in the world to that is extraordinarily terrified of any THING near her mouth.... so I do get it,it's ridiculously difficult -I fear my Graycie would have a heart attack.....

Anyway,you have to discuss these meds with the pharmacist to tell you of any inert ingredients thst might be needed to compound and whether they can increase or decrease the effects of the active ingredients-they will tell you the accurate info and thsts who you want to ask-Ive had steroids compounded for Graycie and they are not as effective as the injectable because of the instabilities

As far as the clindamyacin the strength and dosage csn be adjusted accordingly when customizing this medication and should be just as effective as any other of the various forms.....it cannot hurt to ASK.The only concern with climdamyacin as I stated previously is it does not remain active as long in any of the ' solutions"- ( liquid for oral,gel for transdermal ) so you have to store properly or that can stimulate changes especially in solutions( conditions are inportant,exposure to sunlight,temperature etc)

I've used transdermal clindamyacin with many a feral,no problems to report....

I'm really glad you are with this Vet now- you've gotten horrible results calling the other place for help or with questions that you're on auto pilot with projecting all the " whst ifs" but try to relax a teeny but because your no longer left alone and on your own to speculate, call the office and get those " what ifs" answered so you don't drive yourself crazy

Lol- when friends would say to me " you're going to drive yourself crazy" I'd say" it's not a far drive" 😂
 
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I understand completely-I've got Timmy who I cannot yet medicate if need be,even Revolution is quite the task and that's 2,seconds one time for 30 days.
-My sweet timid Graycie who I can do anything in the world to that is extraordinarily terrified of any THING near her mouth.... so I do get it,it's ridiculously difficult -I fear my Graycie would have a heart attack.....

Anyway,you have to discuss these meds with the pharmacist to tell you of any inert ingredients thst might be needed to compound and whether they can increase or decrease the effects of the active ingredients-they will tell you the accurate info and thsts who you want to ask-Ive had steroids compounded for Graycie and they are not as effective as the injectable because of the instabilities

As far as the clindamyacin the strength and dosage csn be adjusted accordingly when customizing this medication and should be just as effective as any other of the various forms.....it cannot hurt to ASK.The only concern with climdamyacin as I stated previously is it does not remain active as long in any of the ' solutions"- ( liquid for oral,gel for transdermal ) so you have to store properly or that can stimulate changes especially in solutions( conditions are inportant,exposure to sunlight,temperature etc)

I've used transdermal clindamyacin with many a feral,no problems to report....

I'm really glad you are with this Vet now- you've gotten horrible results calling the other place for help or with questions that you're on auto pilot with projecting all the " whst ifs" but try to relax a teeny but because your no longer left alone and on your own to speculate, call the office and get those " what ifs" answered so you don't drive yourself crazy

Lol- when friends would say to me " you're going to drive yourself crazy" I'd say" it's not a far drive" 😂
Thanks😀

Sorry Graycie is the same as Quinn. And Timmy too, that must be so stressful. Do you use transdermals for her? I wish everything could be injected, it would be so much easier prolly.
Although I have never tried to inject Quinn with anything, it could end up being like Timmy is with the revolution.

What were the antibiotic transdermals for ferals for? How did you get it on them? Were they touchable?

I think what I’m wondering is if a transdermal antibiotic can really get enough concentration in the bloodstream to treat something like toxoplasma, pneumonia, etc.

I mean, obviously the best way to get it in their system is IV right into the bloodstream. That’s not going to be done unless you’re in the hospital. I guess next would be maybe injection. Oral can be hard if they’re not absorbing it well for whatever reason.
you’re right the pharmacist would probably know a lot about this. I have talked to them in the past. I don’t remember what they told me now about that because I did ask them about making it a smaller dose and for some reason, they said they couldn’t do that, it was with a drug for Jezebel, one of my Outdoor cats, and she needed treatment for something more unusual. I forgot what it was now, so I had it compounded. I think it was for feline herpes virus and it wasn’t an unusual drug. I couldn’t give her a pill because she wasn’t touchable so I put it the liquid in her food…poor thing she died rapidly of oral cancer, they didn’t know she had that until after she had an nucleation.


Yeah, I have to try to calm down, but I don’t think I’m really gonna fully calm down until I know my cats aren’t gonna die from this.

This was so traumatic and I’m not even anywhere near being over what happened with Merlin and just wondering could he have survived if he had been properly diagnosed and given the right meds. I have never seen one of my cats die so quickly from anything before. I felt so helpless. I mean, I will never really be over it, but you know what I mean.

I’m wondering if I should just stay up until I can call them or sleep a little while and call them later. Cause I’m worried the pharmacies will all close later etc. Quinn is sleeping here next to me and I’m going to try a pill again with him.

I think with Quinn, he needs to be given a sedative in order to medicate him that way, which is not really going to be possible either unless it can be given transdemally. Actually probably wouldn’t be a good idea if he has pneumonia either.

I’m just wondering what is going on here because I do remember that at some point when we took Xena or Merlin in I gave him pills 2-3 x to calm him. I can’t remember the name of it now and I was able to do it so I don’t understand why he is so difficult sometimes and sometimes I can do it. It’s very odd.

yep I am also at the point of not far away from not a far drive to my insanity too 😹😖
 
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Many of the ferals and strays at the Sanctuary are not very co- operative but at feeding time your have an easier time " petting" their ear than giving an injection- quarantined groups are often very sick with URI,pneumonia,toxoplasmosis..... we'd quarantine& wouldn't release contagious cats until they are well- Fortunately we have a Vet pharmacist who supports the no kill shelter
 
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Many of the ferals and strays at the Sanctuary are not very co- operative but at feeding time your have an easier time " petting" their ear than giving an injection- quarantined groups are often very sick with URI,pneumonia,toxoplasmosis..... we'd quarantine& wouldn't release contagious cats until they are well- Fortunately we have a Vet pharmacist who supports the no kill shelter
That’s good. You’re a great person to take care of these cats because a lot of people just don’t care. 🤗

Well, the update is I managed to give Quinn his pill at about 730 to 8 last night by some miracle and he was so shocked he was asleep and somehow I got it in his mouth, but he was trying to spit it out and then he swallowed it.

I haven’t tried to give him the next pill yet. I’m going to try in a little while. He didn’t fall into a deep sleep yet. I know it’s late, but I guess better late than never.

I called Dvm earlier before nap. I only talked to a receptionist and she seemed dubious about the clindamycin transdermal.
She didn’t really seem to want to listen to all three of my questions which were I would like to get either the dissolvable Zofran or the transdermal Zofran, the liquid clindamycin has to be rewritten because the pharmacist told me it’s the wrong dose for the people version, and last is transdermal C a possibility for Quinn.

But I still persisted and made sure that she had all three questions for the doctor. However, Dr has not gotten back to me unless the messages phone didn’t work or they called my cell and that doesn’t always work. I often don’t get voicemails until 2 to 3 days later sometimes.

so I’m not sure what to do. I hope this is not going to be a regular thing. The woman I talked to did tell me that I would have to come and pick up the new Prescriptions. But at first she had said maybe they could call in the change on the dose to Rite Aid. For the oral solution of clindamycin. She seemed doubtful as I said that transdermal will work..

This is part of the reason I don’t wanna have any more cats after these cats go because I can’t stand dealing with all of this. This type of thing should get an immediate reply. I should’ve been able to go over there and get the prescriptions and have them filled or sent out to Compounding Pharmacy already. Time is of the essence, I told the doctor when we were there how quickly Merlin died so she knows that.

I had an easier time giving Quinn the Zofran, which I did when I got up and then I fed everybody, and I gave Zena his C without too much trouble. Sometimes I put it in his mouth and it doesn’t go in right and I have to do it again, but he doesn’t really fight it very very much.

Quinn was watching that though, and it made him more nervous, he knows everything he can tell by my emotions what I’m planning to do, etc. there’s no tricking him except when he’s asleep.

OK, so I have to call the doctor again because by the time I woke up, it was too late. Let’s hope she just wrote the prescriptions or sent something in and I don’t have to go through this phone call rigmarole again. I told you there was a reason why I can’t relax yet. and I have learned from many experiences you can’t really trust anybody fully ever.

The main barrier to getting timely and proper help, etc. seems to be the people working in the reception area, which is a huge problem at dvm. I have no clue if that woman even has any medical knowledge that I spoke with and yet she’s already telling me the transdermal is not going to work? I told her to ask the doctor anyway.

In addition, I do not have much C pills left because the pharmacy said they did not have enough and would only give me a dose until Friday when it comes in! What if it does not come in tomorrow? This type of red tape nonsense is what costs people and furries their lives and puts them into emergencies. This and the exorbitant costs which extort people are the reasons why people order overseas.
 
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