It started towards the end the week of the 05/20, not sure what day.
One cat came down with severe diarrhea, then another, then all of them had it.
This wasn't just the seldom diarrhea they get when eating a different meat - this was water-like diarrhea, several times a day, with a lot of gas.
Diagel didn't work, doubling the probiotics, didn't work either.....
Hope was the one who got in worst shape. She was feeling pretty bad...... And when she feels bad her appetite is the first thing to go. She also hides and wants nothing to do with anyone.
Hope and Lucky had already gone to the vet, and when things didn't improve, I took Hope back on the 28th.
Since I couldn't get a sample of her poop, I got a fresh sample of Mac's poop and took it with me to get tested.
Dr. E said she felt really gassy....... Ordered a bunch of Diagel to give until the results of the PCR test was back, gave her a shot for nausea, and we came home after the exam - she hadn't lost weight, and had no fever (all the while I had her on an appetite stimulant, of course). He said he did not think that was Salmonella - he had never seen a case of Salmonella in cats from raw meat - only in dogs....... He mentioned Clostridium, but wanted to wait for the results to start treatment.
Came home and remembered a probiotic I had taken in Brazil..... It is called Saccharomices Boulardii. In there it is sold as a drug - it is incredibly effective against Clostridium Difficile, and it has been studied successfully against Clostridium perfringens as well. It just so happened that I had it at home as I searched here for my IBD, and after talking and researching it with Laurie (LDG), I decided to give it a try.
The dosage for cats is 250mg 2x a day, or translating for the on I had - 5 billion CFU, 1/2 capsule 2 x a day.
By this time Hope's diarrhea had reached an all time low - it was too often, green, completely liquid and smelling like ammonia - not good.
I gave them the first dose on the night of the 28th and hoped for the best.
Well, it worked! After only one dose, the very next morning Bugsy had solid poop, and Mac had Cow's pie poop. From the second dose on, all of them had solid poop. I also gave all of them 3 doses of diagel, every 12 hours.
Hope recovered her appetite and they are all doing well.
Meanwhile the results of the PRC test came back a few days later - Clostridium perfringens was confirmed, and the toxin was found.
Dr. E was not there, so they called me from the clinic saying they had the antibiotic ready to go, and for me to pick it up - I refused it (metronidazole). I let them know all of them were ok, and I was going to chat with Dr. E on Monday before doing anything.
On Monday, when he called he explained to me the results of the tests, the problems with Clostridium, and followed up on how they are doing. He already knew they were taking S. Boulardii - he was very happy they are all doing ok and no longer have diarrhea and agreed to forego the antibiotics. We will treat them with S. Boulardii for a month and re-test them.
They got Clostridium from a bad batch of Turkey I bought - I had a bad feeling about that meat, and should not bought it...... It was late at night and the last packages in the shelves. The packages were "sweaty" kind of wet....... As though they were left on a warm environment for a while...... I don't know if the refrigerator wasn't cold enough, or if someone got it and walked the store shopping around and put it back on the shelves.... :dk:
But truth is, I should have followed my instincts :doh3: I have no doubt that' where it came from - it is most commonly found in poultry and decaying meat, but specially poultry that's starting to go bad.
Anyways - to wrap it up...... if anyone is interested, this is the brand I am using to treat them: Saccharomyces Boulardii
They HATE it, so I hide it inside the meat - I use the meat to make pill pockets, if you will. Chances are, a cat won't eat this easily..... But since this is used as medicine and Clostridium is no joke, I would say pill them if you must.
Since Clostridium can become chronic and has a high rate of recurrence, I am contemplating either finding a new probiotic with this strain in it, or mixing my own capsules with it. We will see - I think I want to keep them on it.
Well.... That's it..... Sorry I didn't open a thread before - I was posting on tammyp's clostridium page.
One cat came down with severe diarrhea, then another, then all of them had it.
This wasn't just the seldom diarrhea they get when eating a different meat - this was water-like diarrhea, several times a day, with a lot of gas.
Diagel didn't work, doubling the probiotics, didn't work either.....
Hope was the one who got in worst shape. She was feeling pretty bad...... And when she feels bad her appetite is the first thing to go. She also hides and wants nothing to do with anyone.
Hope and Lucky had already gone to the vet, and when things didn't improve, I took Hope back on the 28th.
Since I couldn't get a sample of her poop, I got a fresh sample of Mac's poop and took it with me to get tested.
Dr. E said she felt really gassy....... Ordered a bunch of Diagel to give until the results of the PCR test was back, gave her a shot for nausea, and we came home after the exam - she hadn't lost weight, and had no fever (all the while I had her on an appetite stimulant, of course). He said he did not think that was Salmonella - he had never seen a case of Salmonella in cats from raw meat - only in dogs....... He mentioned Clostridium, but wanted to wait for the results to start treatment.
Came home and remembered a probiotic I had taken in Brazil..... It is called Saccharomices Boulardii. In there it is sold as a drug - it is incredibly effective against Clostridium Difficile, and it has been studied successfully against Clostridium perfringens as well. It just so happened that I had it at home as I searched here for my IBD, and after talking and researching it with Laurie (LDG), I decided to give it a try.
The dosage for cats is 250mg 2x a day, or translating for the on I had - 5 billion CFU, 1/2 capsule 2 x a day.
By this time Hope's diarrhea had reached an all time low - it was too often, green, completely liquid and smelling like ammonia - not good.
I gave them the first dose on the night of the 28th and hoped for the best.
Well, it worked! After only one dose, the very next morning Bugsy had solid poop, and Mac had Cow's pie poop. From the second dose on, all of them had solid poop. I also gave all of them 3 doses of diagel, every 12 hours.
Hope recovered her appetite and they are all doing well.
Meanwhile the results of the PRC test came back a few days later - Clostridium perfringens was confirmed, and the toxin was found.
Dr. E was not there, so they called me from the clinic saying they had the antibiotic ready to go, and for me to pick it up - I refused it (metronidazole). I let them know all of them were ok, and I was going to chat with Dr. E on Monday before doing anything.
On Monday, when he called he explained to me the results of the tests, the problems with Clostridium, and followed up on how they are doing. He already knew they were taking S. Boulardii - he was very happy they are all doing ok and no longer have diarrhea and agreed to forego the antibiotics. We will treat them with S. Boulardii for a month and re-test them.
They got Clostridium from a bad batch of Turkey I bought - I had a bad feeling about that meat, and should not bought it...... It was late at night and the last packages in the shelves. The packages were "sweaty" kind of wet....... As though they were left on a warm environment for a while...... I don't know if the refrigerator wasn't cold enough, or if someone got it and walked the store shopping around and put it back on the shelves.... :dk:
But truth is, I should have followed my instincts :doh3: I have no doubt that' where it came from - it is most commonly found in poultry and decaying meat, but specially poultry that's starting to go bad.
Anyways - to wrap it up...... if anyone is interested, this is the brand I am using to treat them: Saccharomyces Boulardii
They HATE it, so I hide it inside the meat - I use the meat to make pill pockets, if you will. Chances are, a cat won't eat this easily..... But since this is used as medicine and Clostridium is no joke, I would say pill them if you must.
Since Clostridium can become chronic and has a high rate of recurrence, I am contemplating either finding a new probiotic with this strain in it, or mixing my own capsules with it. We will see - I think I want to keep them on it.
Well.... That's it..... Sorry I didn't open a thread before - I was posting on tammyp's clostridium page.
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