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[tarasgirl06]

What kills me, re animal abuse, is that we now have FEDERAL laws on the books, but they ARE NOT ENFORCED. They were put there because of the long-known link between violence toward animals and violence towards humans, and STILL THEY ARE NOT USED. Spit. I need a cookie.

HUGS, y'all.

Yeah, well, as you've pointed out, they hand-slap for murder in this society, as well. Life -- any and all life -- is not valued here or in these times much of anywhere that I know of. I have very strong feelings on overpopulation and what it is doing to every aspect of life, which I won't bore you with, but suffice to say that when there is too much of anything, it loses value. I saw a TV show a long time ago that was set in the old west and this little community was extremely excited because at long last, they were going to get a treasure -- a CAT. I loved that show. Anything, or anyone, becomes treasured when there is only one of it, or a small amount. I pray this will happen when we finally get to 100% and every cat will truly be valued.
But for now, I read and hear very frequently of serial killers (of humans) being paroled after serving hardly any time, or their cases being overturned on technicalities and them being released. Recidivism apparently has no importance whatsoever, because life is not valued. And as for violence (I don't like it being called "abuse". It's VIOLENCE. Let's call it what it is.) against animals, a lot of law enforcement and judges would laugh you out of your shoes if you try to get them to apply even the wrist-slap laws there are. And as for "animal abuse leads to crimes against humans" -- yeah, okay. I care about both, of course, but to imply that the crimes against animals are only important in that context makes my blood boil. I actually had someone close to me ask the cliche question of whom I would save -- my cats or a (human) stranger. I reacted off the cuff by saying truly -- my cats, of course -- at which he laughed rather dismissively and disappointedly. If I had taken time to think I would have said, "I'd pray, because I can do no thing without my Creator, and I would pray that ALL would be saved." But if it is truly either/or, my beloved family members, who happen to be feline, would ALWAYS be those I would help first. (Besides, the guy does extreme sports. He's not the hypothetical "stranger", but yo, bruh, you'd be on your own, no matter how much I like you.)

 

[Mamanyt1953]

I agree, violence against animals is JUST AS important as violence against humans, but that's how they got the laws on the books in the first place.

 

[tarasgirl06]

I agree, violence against animals is JUST AS important as violence against humans, but that's how they got the laws on the books in the first place.

Yeah, and that sucks, because it devalues animals and our relationships with them. But I'm a firm believer in "by whatever means necessary".

 

[Mamanyt1953]

Someday, somehow, our animals will be more than "just property."

 

[tarasgirl06]

Someday, somehow, our animals will be more than "just property."

I agree. But humans as a species have a long way to go to evolve up to universal compassion, caring, and personal responsibility.

 

[Mamanyt1953]

TELL ME ABOUT IT!

 

[kittens mom]

Absolutely. And those who advocate for this laxity obviously have never experienced being a survivor of violent crime, or a loved one of a survivor of violent crime, themselves. I'm particularly incensed by those who try to play the socioeconomic card, because it is disproportionately those in the demographics they claim to be FOR who are negatively affected (i.e., victims) of violent crime. Family members and loved ones have been victims, and I watch a lot of true crime stories and can tell anyone who cares to listen that we do not appreciate being USED as poster people for their agenda. Yes, it's well documented that a lot of innocent people, especially in these socioeconomic groups, have been incarcerated, killed, and otherwise victimized by those who have their own agenda. But anyone who has had a loved one killed or otherwise victimized, can tell the world that these are separate issues. The ignorant and gullible get on the bandwagon with whomever yells the loudest. The rest of us are left to bear the pain.

I live in rural NM I have seen it all and nothing gets me more than someone living in a hovel with their 10 filthy children and they have a dozen dogs chained in the yard. Same with young women with 3-4 kids in their early 20s and on partner to help of support it. Some people dig their own damn pit to wallow in.
Quite literally some people like being disadvantage because it's an advantage to them personally. They cannot care for themselves or their own and they don't get one dog or one cat they have a freaking zoo living in filthy unbelievable conditions. And when they get evicted all those animals go right to our local shelter and most are put down.
I've become a lot less sympathetic in the last few years for many reasons.
Animals become victims of their owners when that owner chooses to commit a crime and they're hauled to the pound or with cats tossed out the door.
I'm not a fool I have 4 cats and I know what it costs to keep them decently. So I know someone with no income beyond the taxpayer funded safety net cannot be taking care of their children and the pack of dogs and cats in the yard.
And people in the group you mention don't s/n because most shelters and no legit rescue will even consider them.
And people in all classes are victimized , killed and incarcerated for any number of reasons.

 

[kittens mom]

What kills me, re animal abuse, is that we now have FEDERAL laws on the books, but they ARE NOT ENFORCED. They were put there because of the long-known link between violence toward animals and violence towards humans, and STILL THEY ARE NOT USED. Spit. I need a cookie.

HUGS, y'all.

They enforce it at the lowest possible level instead of going for the throat.

 

[tarasgirl06]

I live in rural NM I have seen it all and nothing gets me more than someone living in a hovel with their 10 filthy children and they have a dozen dogs chained in the yard. Same with young women with 3-4 kids in their early 20s and on partner to help of support it. Some people dig their own damn pit to wallow in.
Quite literally some people like being disadvantage because it's an advantage to them personally. They cannot care for themselves or their own and they don't get one dog or one cat they have a freaking zoo living in filthy unbelievable conditions. And when they get evicted all those animals go right to our local shelter and most are put down.
I've become a lot less sympathetic in the last few years for many reasons.
Animals become victims of their owners when that owner chooses to commit a crime and they're hauled to the pound or with cats tossed out the door.
I'm not a fool I have 4 cats and I know what it costs to keep them decently. So I know someone with no income beyond the taxpayer funded safety net cannot be taking care of their children and the pack of dogs and cats in the yard.
And people in the group you mention don't s/n because most shelters and no legit rescue will even consider them.
And people in all classes are victimized , killed and incarcerated for any number of reasons.

Well, since I'm in that demographic, I could take it personally, but I don't. Instead, I deal with people as individuals, knowing that there are caring, responsible people in every demographic.

 

[Mamanyt1953]

There are. And that thought keeps me sane.

 

[kittens mom]

Well, since I'm in that demographic, I could take it personally, but I don't. Instead, I deal with people as individuals, knowing that there are caring, responsible people in every demographic.

There is a lot of push to enact class warfare in the US. There are the good the bad and the just damn ugly in every social economic class , religion , county and skin color. One of the worst horse abuse cases I worked on was in California in an exclusive equestrian district.
I speak here of what I see right out my door. Realistically in this world unless you're a home owner you can't have numerous cats and dogs. Most landlords are resolved that if they don't allow and ask for damage deposits people will bring them in anyway. Most rentals have a two pet limit. That animal only knows the owner as family even if they are often lacking. Being dumped and left behind is gruesome and unacceptable. A lot of the animal abuse here is neglect though failing to s/n and being dumped when someone moves.

 

[tarasgirl06]

There is a lot of push to enact class warfare in the US. There are the good the bad and the just damn ugly in every social economic class , religion , county and skin color. One of the worst horse abuse cases I worked on was in California in an exclusive equestrian district.
I speak here of what I see right out my door. Realistically in this world unless you're a home owner you can't have numerous cats and dogs. Most landlords are resolved that if they don't allow and ask for damage deposits people will bring them in anyway. Most rentals have a two pet limit. That animal only knows the owner as family even if they are often lacking. Being dumped and left behind is gruesome and unacceptable. A lot of the animal abuse here is neglect though failing to s/n and being dumped when someone moves.

Oh yeah, all of the above is true although I've been pretty fortunate in rentals. But you're absolutely right.

 

[kittens mom]

Oh yeah, all of the above is true although I've been pretty fortunate in rentals. But you're absolutely right.

Everyone has to consider the what ifs. Nothing is sadder than the pleas for homes for animals that are headed to kill shelters because new landlords don't allow or have a strict limit. There was a wonderful woman on an old AOL chat that had several dozen rescue cats and when the apartment sold she was told that there was a limit now for the new lease. All of the cats had medical issues and in the end long story short she had to load them a few at a time in carriers and take the bus to the clinic to have them euthanized. She was later found dead by another member when we ceased hearing from her. She didn't commit suicide but simply quit taking care of her diabetes. She's a good example of the most vulnerable people in life that know what it means to have nothing but a computer , some online friends and a tiny apartment stacked with cats that everyone else has discarded. The landlord told her 2 I believe. she had to decide who got to live and it killed her. She had no resources, no family and it wasn't as easy as raising money to find her a new apartment. There was on one that was going to take her on.

 

[tarasgirl06]

Everyone has to consider the what ifs. Nothing is sadder than the pleas for homes for animals that are headed to kill shelters because new landlords don't allow or have a strict limit. There was a wonderful woman on an old AOL chat that had several dozen rescue cats and when the apartment sold she was told that there was a limit now for the new lease. All of the cats had medical issues and in the end long story short she had to load them a few at a time in carriers and take the bus to the clinic to have them euthanized. She was later found dead by another member when we ceased hearing from her. She didn't commit suicide but simply quit taking care of her diabetes. She's a good example of the most vulnerable people in life that know what it means to have nothing but a computer , some online friends and a tiny apartment stacked with cats that everyone else has discarded. The landlord told her 2 I believe. she had to decide who got to live and it killed her. She had no resources, no family and it wasn't as easy as raising money to find her a new apartment. There was on one that was going to take her on.

That is SO tragic and those lost lives are on that landlord's hands.
I was kind of faced with a similar scenario when my ex decided to dump us all. There is a quota here where I was forced to relocate and as it was, I moved here with several over the limit, knowing that being indoors only and well cared for, no one would know they were here except guests I chose. But our "barn crew" who had been "community cats" and who we adopted, s/n, vaxed, and so on, had no place to go. I would have taken them all with me, but it would not have been possible so I scrambled frantically trying to place 12 adult, semi-feral cats whom I loved with all my heart and soul. Long story longer, a place was found!!! and they were airlifted in two shipments of 6 each, up to their new home in what I thought would be a home for life. I contributed each month to their care and maintained contact with the owner of the sanctuary. I'll just stop there, because I do not honestly know what ultimately happened to each of my beloveds. I do know that one was adopted as soon as he reached there.

 

[kittens mom]

That is SO tragic and those lost lives are on that landlord's hands.
I was kind of faced with a similar scenario when my ex decided to dump us all. There is a quota here where I was forced to relocate and as it was, I moved here with several over the limit, knowing that being indoors only and well cared for, no one would know they were here except guests I chose. But our "barn crew" who had been "community cats" and who we adopted, s/n, vaxed, and so on, had no place to go. I would have taken them all with me, but it would not have been possible so I scrambled frantically trying to place 12 adult, semi-feral cats whom I loved with all my heart and soul. Long story longer, a place was found!!! and they were airlifted in two shipments of 6 each, up to their new home in what I thought would be a home for life. I contributed each month to their care and maintained contact with the owner of the sanctuary. I'll just stop there, because I do not honestly know what ultimately happened to each of my beloveds. I do know that one was adopted as soon as he reached there.

I don't believe the landlord was totally unreasonable. We all knew she was a hoarder but she took care of them. Sadly complaints were made to the city over the smell and the landlords hands got tied. She should have been trying to rehome as she got them but felt only she could take care of them.

 

[tarasgirl06]

I don't believe the landlord was totally unreasonable. We all knew she was a hoarder but she took care of them. Sadly complaints were made to the city over the smell and the landlords hands got tied. She should have been trying to rehome as she got them but felt only she could take care of them.

Yes, I can certainly understand that. Hoarders don't ever start out as callous, uncaring people. If they didn't care very much, they would never have adopted ANYONE in the first place. Life circumstances change, health and/or finances change, and things get out of hand. They become uncontrollable, and then the suffering starts. I break things down to their simplest elements/go back to the beginning and find the root of the problem. The root, of course, is the uncaring members of the public who don't spay/neuter-adopt for life. We wouldn't HAVE an overpopulation problem if each of us took personal responsibility for those in our care (and beyond, if need be). When neighbors first begin to be aware of a neighbor in trouble, ideally, they should help. But there are so many variables at play in any situation where help is needed. The entire society is in chaos. Instances where people are able to step in and help can often be positively resolved, though, for the good of all.

 

[Mamanyt1953]

Thank GOD that there are good people out there. And I've met a lot of them, right here.

 

[tarasgirl06]

Thank GOD that there are good people out there. And I've met a lot of them, right here.

Me, too, Mamanyt1953 including present company

 

[kittens mom]

Yes, I can certainly understand that. Hoarders don't ever start out as callous, uncaring people. If they didn't care very much, they would never have adopted ANYONE in the first place. Life circumstances change, health and/or finances change, and things get out of hand. They become uncontrollable, and then the suffering starts. I break things down to their simplest elements/go back to the beginning and find the root of the problem. The root, of course, is the uncaring members of the public who don't spay/neuter-adopt for life. We wouldn't HAVE an overpopulation problem if each of us took personal responsibility for those in our care (and beyond, if need be). When neighbors first begin to be aware of a neighbor in trouble, ideally, they should help. But there are so many variables at play in any situation where help is needed. The entire society is in chaos. Instances where people are able to step in and help can often be positively resolved, though, for the good of all.

Most hoarder cases have neighbors and relatives that are aware of the issue sometimes for years before doing anything.
My SIL is responsible not just for the unwanted birth of who knows how many kittens but their deaths. There is a reluctance in our society to take someone like her and hold her accountable. Just like veterinary boards slap the hands of monster DVMs most animal abusers get even less from the legal system. Many tickets and fines are dismissed by judges who sympathize with someone's excuse, their seemingly and almost always false correction of the situation or their dire economic status where they claim they couldn't afford ( fill in the blank ) .
Abusers should at the very least be doing roadside trash pickup with an orange jumpsuit that has animal abuser stenciled on it. And if someone doesn't want to see great Aunt Mable out there they should address her hoarding issues head on before the law becomes involved.

 

[tarasgirl06]

Most hoarder cases have neighbors and relatives that are aware of the issue sometimes for years before doing anything.
My SIL is responsible not just for the unwanted birth of who knows how many kittens but their deaths. There is a reluctance in our society to take someone like her and hold her accountable. Just like veterinary boards slap the hands of monster DVMs most animal abusers get even less from the legal system. Many tickets and fines are dismissed by judges who sympathize with someone's excuse, their seemingly and almost always false correction of the situation or their dire economic status where they claim they couldn't afford ( fill in the blank ) .
Abusers should at the very least be doing roadside trash pickup with an orange jumpsuit that has animal abuser stenciled on it. And if someone doesn't want to see great Aunt Mable out there they should address her hoarding issues head on before the law becomes involved.

Couldn't agree more, on all. But woe to them if I am ever in a position to change the laws.