Super Seniors...17-20+

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This is my first time (since I was a kid) having a "super senior" cat. Rylee died at 19 and back in the 80s-90s we knew nothing about nutrition, fed free choice Iams dry all the time, never went to the vet (indoor cat), declawed (uggghh!) and now in hindsight, I know he had terrible periodontal disease and kidney failure and somehow lived to be 19.

And so my (former feral) "Squeaky" is now in that place, only I'm not 17 and living with equally ignorant parents, in a time before Google. Squeaky's stats:
-No one has any idea how old he really is. I have pictures of him in my back yard from 2013. Neighbors remember him from before I moved in (2012). When I trapped him in January 2019 after he was bitten by another feral, the vet who stitched him up estimated he was "between 12-15 yrs old."

-2021: Squeaky had a cardiology ultrasound when a clot was suspected after he fell off a table and dragged his legs out of the room and then did it again 24 hours later. Found a slightly enlarged right ventricle, scale of 1 to 10 they said it was a "0.5", and no treatment was recommended. Cardiologist noted a raging inner ear infection likely years in the making, and might be causing vertigo. Took 3 months to get enough drops in his ears to cure that (remember...we are a transitioning feral!)

-2022: diagnosed with asthma requiring an albuterol rescue inhaler.

-2023: Whipworm infection from out of nowhere, (he's flea treated, indoors only)--theorized to be latent eggs that hatched after the stress of a full-mouth extraction (!) in early 2023 due to severe stomatitis/periodontal disease. SDMA levels were just below the level they would even put him under for the surgery. Treated the whipworms, but mild, persistent IBS developed and he was never really right again as far as GI goes. Overgrooming was developed right after the dental surgery and recovery. Stage II CKD was diagnosed right at the end of 2023.

2024: Hyperthyroidism, hypertension, overgrooming (probably from itching due to the hyperthyroidism). Weight loss down to 9lbs. Got him on methamazole transdermal, amlodypine for the hypertension, and amitriptyline for the OCD/overgrooming. Switched from 6 week Depo Medrol injections for the IBS/allergies to prednisolone every other day.

Unreal, right?

As of a few weeks ago, he really seemed to be looking "better". His coat looked less scraggly, he was holding weight just below 10lbs (he should be closer to 11.5 for his frame) but then all of a sudden this week he seemed different.

Feeding:
He's on Young Again Mature Zero (no carb) LID (Limited ingredient) hydrolyzed dry food, as much as he wants.
He's on Koha limited ingredient chicken pate which he's suddenly less interested in. Topper is Weruva Phos Focused chicken puree and/or Weruva Press Your Dinner Chicken Pate ( I have another, younger, finicky CKD stage II cat who is also type II diabetic so both of them tend to eat the same stuff).

The last few days he's been hitting the water bowl A LOT. He's done this before and I've thought, "This is the end" and then it wasn't. Now, again he's drinking a lot and peeing a lot (we are on prednisolone every other day to control the IBS, nasal-pharyngeal inflammation, allergic dermatitis, and god knows what other allergies).

After all that prologue....

To those of you with super-duper seniors with multiple issues and meds that can mimic problems they already have....how to know when it's the meds making him drink versus a sudden worsening of CKD? How to know if the lack of body condition and muscle tone is because the thyroid isn't quite right yet, or is it sudden worsening of CKD, or maybe all these low phos, low carb, special foods aren't enough? But then the Young Again carb-free hydrolyzed dry food he gulps down with no teeth and maybe that's filling him up? But why no weight gain? His appetite seems good lately, better than before, but his body condition seems worse and he seems bonier than before.

Or is it just that the end is near and he may be even older than I think?

I hate this. This has been a nonstop battle daily since 2021 and I know I won't win in the end but I just don't understand what nothing we're doing seems to be working. Steroids help the inflammation, IBS, allergies, etc but they are hard on the kidneys. Then there's that "enlarged heart" from 2021 lurking in the background and I wonder if his loud wheezy inhaling when breathing is just his narrow nasal passages, or something else. They say his lungs look fine, but the bronchial passages get triggered...but the daily Darth Vader breathing is all in his nose but it seems even worse this last week.

For reference: we are in Florida, a nasty, allergen-infested swamp only made habitable with the invention of Freon. Squeaky likes to go out on the catio at night when it's 90% humidity out there and I think despite the allergens, the humidity seems to help. He seems worse indoors in the A/C.

Aside from that, I'm mostly worried about why he's gobbling down dry food (that I spray with water to help wet it) yet he hasn't gained an ounce, even with the thyroid medication, and even on prednisolone which increases appetite, but why no weight gain?
He looks like an old, raggedy teddy bear lately and it's breaking my heart. Pic#1 is from July 2023, and the other two are from last week.

Should I just accept that we've done all we can and the end of the battle is coming?😭

Edit: we have a 3 month follow up at the vet scheduled for August 29th. I just moved it up to the 16th. Wondering if I should get in there ASAP?
 

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Hi. He is such a sweet looking cat. I am so glad you have him. I think he is too. Judging from the pictures.

When cats get older they get many things going on at once. Just to give you an idea, my cat is 15 years old and has:

Hyperthyroidism
Renal disease
4/6 heart murmur
Asthma
IBD/ intestinal lymphoma
Space occupying mass in her intestines
Nodules in her lungs
Elevated liver values
Chronic constipation
Anemia
Low potassium

There may be more that I can’t think of right now.
Anyway, I feel your pain.
I bought a digital baby scale and use that to weigh her.

As I am sure you know, the kidney disease is linked to the hyperthyroidism which is linked to the hypertension.

It is a delicate balance making sure the thyroid levels are kept low enough to not cause hypertension, yet not so low that the kidney disease gets worse. You want enough blood flow to the kidneys but not too much.
If using the transdermal Methimazole, it is better to switch to the pill, because the dosing is much more accurate.

After starting Methimazole or after any change in dosing, it is best to check the thyroid levels within 30 days. The last thing you want to do is over medicate and suppress the thyroid to much.
Since your cat is so thin, the creatinine ( one of the markers for kidney disease) wont show as elevated, even in the presence of kidney disease.

There is a blood test called the PROBNP which checks a heart enzyme that will be elevated in heart disease.

Fluids help allot for cats with hyperthyroidism and or kidney disease, as well as IBD. You just have to be very careful because too much can cause fluid volume overload leading to congestive heart failure. With my cat, my vet recommended 100c SQ once daily. Instead I do 50cc SQ twice a day, making sure all the fluids are absorbed before giving more.
With the IBD often the cobalamine (B12) is low and giving a weekly injection can really make a difference. There is a test you can do, but B12 is a water soluble vitamin so what isn’t needed will brr we passed in the urine.

Often times the IBD is due to a FF pod allergy. Chicken and fish are often culprits. Finding a novel protein diet is often needed. Canned is preferred to dry.

Having multiple water sources available to encourage drinking is a good idea. Some cats like the fountains.

Potassium is often low in cats with kidney disease. It is easy to supplement, but only if the lab work shows it is low.

Prednisolone works better when given at night.

I would get your cat in for a recheck sooner than later. These old cats can have their ups and downs, but it is important to recheck blood work and get an exam for them at the first sign of an issue. Often it just takes some medication adjustments to get them back on track.

It seems overwhelming, but it is all doable if you put in the effort.

I use a dry erase board to keep track of my cats medications.

please keep us posted on how he does.

He is absolutely adorable!!!
 

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I just want to say that with my last kidney cat, she started eating really well at one point but never gained an ounce. I think it's just part of the disease :sigh:. With Squeaky having so many issues, it's not surprising he isn't really gaining, but if he is at least maintaining around 9 lbs, that is good. (my girl ended up less than 6 lbs for her final year)

I think the only way you will know what is going on is with current bloodwork. It could be thyroid, kidneys, who knows. Hoping it will just take a slight adjustment in meds and he will start improving
 
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Thank you to everyone. I feel better knowing that others have a similar situation juggling multiple overlapping issues. I changed his 3 month follow up appointment from August 29th to this Friday. I'll have the thyroid T4/TSH checked, kidney values (urea, creatinine, SMDA, BUN) along with a full panel to check for anything. If everything looks "good" and his levels are OK on the meds--then it is what it is. His kidney levels showed barely stage II just two months ago. Meanwhile, I have another cat, 15 yrs old, with stage II holding steady since 2020, diabetic in remission with diet and he's a healthy 11.5lbs.

Squeaky's frail body condition and good appetite/minimal loose poops just baffles me. He seemed to be gaining once we upped the methamazole from one turn daily to 1 turn in the morning and 1/2 turn in the evening...but now he seems to be losing again. I also have. baby scale to weigh him and honestly I don't want to right now. Weighed him 2 weeks ago and he was 9.8 and looking good.

He was enthusiastic about dinner tonight, (1/2 a 3oz can of Koha chicken with Weruva phos focused chicken puree and a bowl of the carb free Young Again hydrolyzed dry food. He's on the catio and I keep seeing him graze at the bowl so the appetite is good--it's just his scraggly fur and old teddy bear look is making me sad. If a little bird told me "Hey--he's 23..." I think I'd feel better. I'm still basing his age on what a vet estimated 5 years ago, saying they thought he was between 12-15...so now he's maybe between 17-20. But what if he's older? I've had several cats live to 16, 18, and 19 and none of them looked as scraggly as he does--and two of those had untreated kidney disease only because we didn't know what that was in 1990.
 
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I just want to say that with my last kidney cat, she started eating really well at one point but never gained an ounce. I think it's just part of the disease :sigh:. With Squeaky having so many issues, it's not surprising he isn't really gaining, but if he is at least maintaining around 9 lbs, that is good. (my girl ended up less than 6 lbs for her final year)

I think the only way you will know what is going on is with current bloodwork. It could be thyroid, kidneys, who knows. Hoping it will just take a slight adjustment in meds and he will start improving
I looked back through his records and he was 11.3lbs a year ago....12.6lbs a year and a half ago....as high as 16.6lbs three years ago. Yes, we eliminated carbs because of another cat who went diabetic on me, but the weight loss seems steady over time, holding at 11.8 pounds for a while and then late last year when the thyroid/hypertension happened, I didn't know what was up until Jan 2024 when we started the meds and by then he went from 11.8 to 9. We've crawled back up almost to 10 and now are back down again. Vet appointment to check all levels on Friday 8/9.
 

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I know tomorrow can't come soon enough :hugs:. Let us know what they say.
 

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Hi. The follow up blood work and urinalysis is a good place to start. As mentioned above, checking Squeaky's B-12 level might also be a good idea, if not already done. Intestinal issues of most any sort can cause malabsorption. Injectable (sub-Q) B-12 is more effective than oral versions.

Your cat sounds like my Feeby who just passed away less than 3 weeks ago. She was 19+ yo, hyper-T, CKD, high BP, arthritis, and lymphoma. This all started in 2020/2021. She once was over 17 pounds, and gradually lost weight for a while (pre 2021). After getting everything treated, she maintained her weight around 12 pounds, but started losing again a while back and she weighed about 9.5 pounds when she died.

She went through a lot of turmoil in her last year, and no one knows what specifically to attribute any of it to. As you said, certain symptoms can be the cause of different ailments, and it is hard, if not impossible, to know what is the actual source of any of them. I kept her checkups to monitor her conditions, and continued with/adjusted all the treatments that were necessary.

You know in the end you will lose the war, but for me I would not give up the individual battles until she did. It sounds like you are doing the same for Squeaky, and that is all we can really do.

Keep us posted, please.
 
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Hi. The follow up blood work and urinalysis is a good place to start. As mentioned above, checking Squeaky's B-12 level might also be a good idea, if not already done. Intestinal issues of most any sort can cause malabsorption. Injectable (sub-Q) B-12 is more effective than oral versions.

Your cat sounds like my Feeby who just passed away less than 3 weeks ago. She was 19+ yo, hyper-T, CKD, high BP, arthritis, and lymphoma. This all started in 2020/2021. She once was over 17 pounds, and gradually lost weight for a while (pre 2021). After getting everything treated, she maintained her weight around 12 pounds, but started losing again a while back and she weighed about 9.5 pounds when she died.

She went through a lot of turmoil in her last year, and no one knows what specifically to attribute any of it to. As you said, certain symptoms can be the cause of different ailments, and it is hard, if not impossible, to know what is the actual source of any of them. I kept her checkups to monitor her conditions, and continued with/adjusted all the treatments that were necessary.

You know in the end you will lose the war, but for me I would not give up the individual battles until she did. It sounds like you are doing the same for Squeaky, and that is all we can really do.

Keep us posted, please.
Thank you...we are going 3 weeks early for his follow up appointment tomorrow at 10AM. Will check the B12 along with the TSH, T4, kidney values and everything else to make sure his current meds are good and nothing new developed. He ate pretty good yesterday even after giving him some "new" food to spark his interest, despite his numerous restrictions...BFF OMG Gravy Chicken and Salmon which is more of a soup than a puree. Low carb, low phos, higher in calories than the Koha and Weruva phos focused chicken puree...he needs calories at this point and I think while his appetite his good, the volume he'd have to eat is a lot. The hyrdolized Young Again dry food is super dense but also expands to make him feel more full so he then eats less. Still-- I have another one 12lbs who eats a fraction of what Squeaky does per day and he holds weight and doesn't lose an ounce. He's 11, as opposed to being super senior and doesn't have all of Squeaky's problems, but logic says with thyroid regulated, hypertension under control, IBS under control...that food ought to be sticking to the bones a bit better. Today he weighed 9.6 but I know it's all an average. He was 9.4 yesterday. It's water, food, etc. Let's see what he weighs on the vet's scale tomorrow.....

But on a positive note, he decided to hump the blankets yesterday which was the first time in a while I've seen that....
 
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