SNOWSHOE OR NAH?

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Yay! Hello furrparents from around the globe! I'm new here.

I've been very curious about my cat's pedigree since I bought one.

His Dad is exotic short haired and Mom is a siamese. Took me up a few reads on some blogs and in youtube. The possibiliy lead me to a snowshoe.

But it did not exactly match all the characteristics presented, though presenting the complete distinct features said were very rare. Please assist me fellow furparents on how identify my cat's breed 🥺🥺🥺

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Would appreaciate your opinions 🥺

And she's only 6 month old
 

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Yay! Hello furrparents from around the globe! I'm new here.

I've been very curious about my cat's pedigree since I bought one.

His Dad is exotic short haired and Mom is a siamese. Took me up a few reads on some blogs and in youtube. The possibiliy lead me to a snowshoe.

But it did not exactly match all the characteristics presented, though presenting the complete distinct features said were very rare. Please assist me fellow furparents on how identify my cat's breed 🥺🥺🥺

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Would appreaciate your opinions 🥺
She is a cutie, love her eyes and expression 😻 I think she looks like a dsh, but quite fluffy fur, blue bicolor kitty. I don’t really see any of the breeds you mentioned in her. Maybe her face is a bit flatter Did the person you bought her from have pedigree papers for her parents? Otherwise she is considered to be a dsh non pedigree cat. If her parents were pedigree she would be a mix of siamese and exotic but not snowhshoe.
 
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Sorry nope, not a Snowshoe. I don't even see anything remotely Siamese or BSH in her. Snowshoe cats are pointed cats. Yours is not. They have blue eyes. Yours does not.

Your girl is a blue and white bi-color short hair domestic cat. You can't get a completely different breed from mixing 2 other breeds. Right off the bat your cat is a domestic due to this.

Are the parents verified purebred cats (i.e. registered and with a pedigree proving their ancestry i.e. "papers") or is someone guessing based on their appearance? Or are they randomly breeding (backyard breeding) just trying to make money?
 

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Yay! Hello furrparents from around the globe! I'm new here.

I've been very curious about my cat's pedigree since I bought one.

His Dad is exotic short haired and Mom is a siamese. Took me up a few reads on some blogs and in youtube. The possibiliy lead me to a snowshoe.

But it did not exactly match all the characteristics presented, though presenting the complete distinct features said were very rare. Please assist me fellow furparents on how identify my cat's breed 🥺🥺🥺

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Would appreaciate your opinions 🥺

And she's only 6 month old
It’s a gorgeous kitty no matter what. Even if the parents are purebred (papered) two different breeds do not produce third!! That would be like you breed beagle and poodle and got ……… jack r. Terrier!!! No?
 

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It’s a gorgeous kitty no matter what. Even if the parents are purebred (papered) two different breeds do not produce third!! That would be like you breed beagle and poodle and got ……… jack r. Terrier!!! No?
If you bred a beagle and a poodle you would have a mix of those breeds. There are such breeds officially as well such as the labradoodle.
 

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If you bred a beagle and a poodle you would have a mix of those breeds. There are such breeds officially as well such as the labradoodle.
Labradoodle is not a breed!!!! It just glorified overpriced mutt! Beautiful nevertheless but mutt. I just tried to simplify the metaphor.
 

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Labradoodle is not a breed!!!! It just glorified overpriced mutt! Beautiful nevertheless but mutt. I just tried to simplify the metaphor.
Iyo 😹 that should also make any pb cat breeds who were bred with other cats such as Siamese to get the points mutts of a sort as well.
 

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Iyo 😹 that should also make any pb cat breeds who were bred with other cats such as Siamese to get the points mutts of a sort as well.
There's outcrossing while creating new breeds yes but those are considered crosses, sort of like how in Bengals or SV's, the early generations are not SBT and registerable as that breed, like my early gen girl. In labradoodles that would mean if they are eventually recognized as a breed by the AKC or another reputable registry, simply crossing a lab and a poodle won't make one, it would be several generations of doodle to doodle so they breed true and consistent to the standard. In this case, if you crossed a Exotic shorthair and a Siamese, you'd have yourself a cat of no breed whatsoever, however I don't think either parent of this cat was truly those breeds as it shows no physical characteristics of either.
 

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There's outcrossing while creating new breeds yes but those are considered crosses, sort of like how in Bengals or SV's, the early generations are not SBT and registerable as that breed, like my early gen girl. In labradoodles that would mean if they are eventually recognized as a breed by the AKC or another reputable registry, simply crossing a lab and a poodle won't make one, it would be several generations of doodle to doodle so they breed true and consistent to the standard. In this case, if you crossed a Exotic shorthair and a Siamese, you'd have yourself a cat of no breed whatsoever, however I don't think either parent of this cat was truly those breeds as it shows no physical characteristics of either.
That is all debatable, this is all controlled by a select group of people, who often don’t agree with each other, and who have done some questionable things in the realm of breeding purebreds, so they decide what makes a breed.

My point was if you cross two pedigreed purebred cats / dogs you have a mixture of those two breeds, not a random unrelated third breed and not a “ mutt”. Whether this cat’s parents are actually pb cats we don’t know but it is not likely.

I know most people don’t mean it negatively but I do not care much for the terms mutt and moggie as they do have a negative connotations for both cats/ dogs and people. Mutt is derived from the term muttonhead referring to sheep, which was often used to describe a stupid or insignificant person and is also sometimes used to describe people of bad “pedigree” and or a racial mixture etc and so on. Moggie used to be used to describe a woman negatively as well and was a synonym for slattern.


Labradoodles are not a recognized breed by that group but they are allowed to be registered now by other groups such as CKC. I read they have been trained in Australia as guide dogs. There is a breeder near me who breeds them who appears to be a responsible breeder. The correct term for them in the dog world is apparently hybrid. In Australia the cobberdog is recognized as a breed, it is essentially a labradoodle with more controlled breeding. So there are labradoodle breeders who are following guidelines.
 
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Hybrid , offspring of a two different species .
breed , animals within one species having distinguish appearances (usually controlled breeding)
 

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That is all debatable, this is all controlled by a select group of people, who often don’t agree with each other, and who have done some questionable things in the realm of breeding purebreds, so they decide what makes a breed.

My point was if you cross two pedigreed purebred cats / dogs you have a mixture of those two breeds, not a random unrelated third breed and not a “ mutt”. Whether this cat’s parents are actually pb cats we don’t know but it is not likely.

I know most people don’t mean it negatively but I do not care much for the terms mutt and moggie as they do have a negative connotations for both cats/ dogs and people. Mutt is derived from the term muttonhead referring to sheep, which was often used to describe a stupid or insignificant person and is also sometimes used to describe people of bad “pedigree” and or a racial mixture etc and so on. Moggie used to be used to describe a woman negatively as well and was a synonym for slattern.


Labradoodles are not a recognized breed by that group but they are allowed to be registered now by other groups such as CKC. I read they have been trained in Australia as guide dogs. There is a breeder near me who breeds them who appears to be a responsible breeder. The correct term for them in the dog world is apparently hybrid. In Australia the cobberdog is recognized as a breed, it is essentially a labradoodle with more controlled breeding. So there are labradoodle breeders who are following guidelines.
Sorry, didn’t mean mutt is the bad word. I grown up in a show dogs world and best dogs I had were not any breed (mutts) and I love them dearly. Those are the healthiest and quickest ( brightest) animals and to be quite honest purebred is like royal houses (little inbred ). So, i wasn’t meant that to be an insult. Forgive me.
 

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Sorry, didn’t mean mutt is the bad word. I grown up in a show dogs world and best dogs I had were not any breed (mutts) and I love them dearly. Those are the healthiest and quickest ( brightest) animals and to be quite honest purebred is like royal houses (little inbred ). So, i wasn’t meant that to be an insult. Forgive me.
Yes I know you didn’t sorry if I upset you 🤗
 

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You can't breed a exotic and a Siamese and get a snowshoe, it's a breed not a coat pattern or look (a "snowshoe" lookalike can even happen in feral cat colonies with no pedigrees if the right combo happens but that doesn't make them snowshoes). Kind of like you can't breed two different dog breeds together and get a Labrador retriever just because a resulting pup in the litter has some of the characteristics of a lab. The snowshoe breed were originally created with an American short hair and a Siamese with a specific color patterning (white feet) and refer to a very specific look that resulted from that pairing, so you can't even recreate the original cross from an exotic/Siamese pairing. At most your cat is an exotic short hair Siamese mix, if the parents are in fact an exotic short hair and a Siamese, though most would just call it a domestic short hair.
 
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Honestly, a lot of people lie about their cats breed in order to sell the kittens for a higher cost. Or truly believe their street kitty is a purebred lol. Unless they have papers they can show you, I wouldn't trust it. Most cats have zero breeds in them but people like to think that they do. Most are just descendants of farm cats only. Many think if a cat is a colorpoint it must be a siamese, ragdoll or a mix. This is false the colorpoint gene is also found in DSH/DLH :) I think your kitten is just a stunning blue/white dsh :)
 
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