We think kiwi is trying to ween them. She is leaving the nest more and the kittens were hungry when we fed them. This is the first time they all drank no problem. Before we fed they all peed the play pen, like a half of cup of it. This and yesterday where the first then there was pee in the playpen, non in the kitten litterbox, kiwi normally takes care of it. We have not seen poop since the first week. Only blackwhite can drink from a plate but not much. After formula they went nursing on Kiwi. Also no more weights, they wiggle too much and cannot accurately weight them anymore.
Also kittens have been trying to jump out of the play pen. They have not been successful. It is however difficult to keep them in the feeding cat bed. Blackwhite prances out of it like a horse. When feeding most of them were trying to nurse on my arm.
They sound happy and healthy and ready to explore. They will need time out of the playpen for that. They will soon begin weaning, and you should begin putting them in the litter box before and after meals and other times throughout the day now, so they begin to learn the box.
Big update: Kittens are doing very well. We noticed they were taking a while to be litter trained and to eat and drink but we did not want to take them out of the playpen. Then Antirunt (now called Smash Face) jumped out of the playpen. We did not want them to be separated from Kiwi so we took them all out of the playpen. Then like a switched was flipped they were able to eat, drink and use the litterbox. no more accidents expect a few in the cat bed. They are still locked in the bathroom but we noticed if Kiwi can get out Smash Face can get close to getting out, so we need to keep an eye on him. When we looked in the playpen the white belly kittens stood on their hind legs wanting us to pick them up. We dont think the kittens could like humans more then these, when we walk in the bathroom they all wake up and walk to us so we can pet/feed them.
We think Smash Face might be part persians, I am glad we saved kiwi, a persians will not last long in the camp grounds, a coyote marked our tent last time we camp there. The kitten personalities came in, the white paw kitten (White Claudia) is extremely friendly, slept in hour arms and laps when we hold her, we are trying to convince mom to keep her. Smash Face has a thousand yard stare and we think he might be different, like our cat Ramsey, we are trying to keep him in the family. BlackWhite (Button) loves to explore the house, is not afraid of anything except for fans, she is also the first to eat, drink and use the litterbox, my cousin called dibs on her when she was 2 days old. Darker Grey (Bog) is a bit of a loaner, is the fastest one and likes to explore. Kiwi looking kitten (Mini Kiwi) is lazy,rarely cries and loves licking things. The runt (Bishop) seems to not have much of a personality yet, we noticed he gets full quickly and that might be why he eats less, he is still doing well. Non of the kittens are demons or jerks, all are nice and cute.
We noticed the 10 week mark is October 10th and we do not want to give kittens to strangers so close to Halloween. We might give them away at the end of September, or at the beginning of Nov. The kittens we are going to give to strangers and friends are the ones that look like Kiwi so we dont think they will be hard to give away. We also noticed the kittens seem to be self weaning, they not not eating Kiwi anymore and seem to be fine of kibble. We still give them milk via bottle at night, we normally go through a bottle and a half we got some milk for kittens age 4-8 and now they are 5ish.
Now for Kiwi update: She is the first mother cat we are going to keep, we had to deal with 3 other pregant cats and we found homes or fixed and released if too stray. She is pretty friendly for a stray. Has not hissed, clawed or be mean to anyone, she is no longer afraid when she walks around the house. We where afraid she might not like the other grey cat, he has a history of being mean to girl cats, but they seem to get along pretty well. Our only issue is she does not like our other female cat very much and when she goes to the litter box she kicks like she is using dirt, without a lid there will be a 3 feet circle of cat litter. She really trust us now, jumps on the bed with us to pet her when she is on break. She is also not a poor starving thin cat anymore, she is getting a bit wide. We will put her on a light diet when kittens are weaned.
Ramsey update: He is the large orange ragamuffin Maine coon cat. He is the adoptive mother for previous litters we had to take care of. He is terrified of SmashFace for some reason and we noticed he likes the other kittens, grooms them and lets some of them climb him. He even tried to make them use the bathroom like how kiwi does. We do not know why he is so motherly. We limit his exposure since male cats can be aggressive to kids that aren't theirs even though he is good with them. We will introduce them more later when they are bigger.
Also we do not have dogs, we are pet setting them for a week. This will be their only interaction since kittens look too much like dog toys, the dogs are gently and wont hurt a fly but we are not risking it. SmashFace likes spondgebob and I am not the one holding them.