Revaccinate or not

[F+V]

It seems like it may be better just to get an adjuvanted one that doesn’t have the worst ingredients if they are available there now. That is what my cats got this time, they are good for three years. I believe it’s better to vaccinate less rather than every year.

Another thing about the purevax is I think you have to make sure that it’s valid in the country you’re going to, I assume you’ve already checked on that.

Yes, Purevax rabies vaccine is approved by the EU. I'll either get a 1-year adjuvanted rabies vaccine here or move to Canada/US for a few months and get Purevax there. As for F3 PRC vaccine, we can find non-adjuvanted vaccines here.

 

[Kwik]

We left Australia to another rabies-free country but I hear you. I wouldn't move back there because all incoming animals will have to go through a mandatory quarantine even though they are fully vaccinated!

Yes, I'm worried about possible reactions. I could get non-adjuvanted F3 here but not the rabies vaccine. It was the same in Australia. We just could not find non-adjuvanted rabies vaccine there because only traveling cats required it.

Exactly- glad you get it becsuse so many people ( here in the USA)didn't even believe me - it would've cost me over $10k per cat by the time the outrageously long quarantine for fully vaccinated cats was said & done ...& my ex was seriously considering footing the bill BUT God Forbid one of my cats would've had a false positive,,they'd euthanize!Plus the micro chip issues if one is not readable upon entry--- again ,,possible euthanasia.That was the tip of the iceberg for me

I think all you can do at this point is call Biomehanika( they're in Connecticut- I got the number for you) to find out if it's approved by the Country your in- if it is you can contact a shipping co here to send it to a Vet there who can help you out- they cannot ship to you unless you are licensed to legally administer.

I completely understand your plight- if purevax is not approved for use in your Country you really have no other option but to take what is approved ( very disturbing,I know) because there is no other brand manufactorer that makes a " non adjuvanted "
rabies vaccine on the market

Sorry for your limited options- really




..

 

[F+V]

Exactly- glad you get it becsuse so many people ( here in the USA)didn't even believe me - it would've cost me over $10k per cat by the time the outrageously long quarantine for fully vaccinated cats was said & done ...& my ex was seriously considering footing the bill BUT God Forbid one of my cats would've had a false positive,,they'd euthanize!Plus the micro chip issues if one is not readable upon entry--- again ,,possible euthanasia.That was the tip of the iceberg for me

I think all you can do at this point is call Biomehanika( they're in Connecticut- I got the number for you) to find out if it's approved by the Country your in- if it is you can contact a shipping co here to send it to a Vet there who can help you out- they cannot ship to you unless you are licensed to legally administer.

I completely understand your plight- if purevax is not approved for use in your Country you really have no other option but to take what is approved ( very disturbing,I know) because there is no other brand manufactorer that makes a " non adjuvanted "
rabies vaccine on the market

Sorry for your limited options- really
..

Oh no! I didn't know about euthanasia.... that's beyond horrible.

I don't think Purevax rabies vaccine is approved, which is why it's not available here. I don't think the manufacturer even bothered to get it approved because the demand is almost nonexistent. I will ask a few vets I know here if they can import the rabies vaccine, but from my research even licensed veterinarians are not permitted to import vaccines. They or individuals like me can import medicines but not vaccines...

 

[Kwik]

Oh no! I didn't know about euthanasia.... that's beyond horrible.

I don't think Purevax rabies vaccine is approved, which is why it's not available here. I don't think the manufacturer even bothered to get it approved because the demand is almost nonexistent. I will ask a few vets I know here if they can import the rabies vaccine, but from my research even licensed veterinarians are not permitted to import vaccines. They or individuals like me can import medicines but not vaccines...

Oh yes- and I had to really dig to finally get that info about the euthanasia from the Austrailan Dept of Agriculture as it is not easily or readily available on the internet ..I was flabbergasted!

I believe you're right about " supply & demand" why bother in a rabies free Country?You would think there'd be some type of speciaoized outlets specifically for overseas travelers ,like a neutral zone that provides what people need to get their pets what is required in their destination Country exempt from laws that prohibit use in one and not in another--- after all,its " world health" really-the WHO should come up with something,it would be quite profitable!

Probably a silly notion but for animal lovers our pets are no less important than another family member

 

[F+V]

Oh yes- and I had to really dig to finally get that info about the euthanasia from the Austrailan Dept of Agriculture as it is not easily or readily available on the internet ..I was flabbergasted!

I believe you're right about " supply & demand" why bother in a rabies free Country?You would think there'd be some type of speciaoized outlets specifically for overseas travelers ,like a neutral zone that provides what people need to get their pets what is required in their destination Country exempt from laws that prohibit use in one and not in another--- after all,its " world health" really-the WHO should come up with something,it would be quite profitable!

Probably a silly notion but for animal lovers our pets are no less important than another family member

I can imagine! I would also choose not to move to Australia if I read that.

They are my babies. I probably spend more money for food and medical care and time on them than actual human children.

I decided not to get adjuvanted rabies vaccine here. I'm also not having them revaccinated for FVRCP after reading Dr. Pierson's page Vaccines for Cats: We Need to Stop Overvaccinating

When they were 4 months old, they got their last F3 and I didn't know anything about cats back then, so an adjuvanted shot was given in the scruff area.... and now I've found out that injection site sarcomas show up anywhere between 6 months to 10 years after vaccination. I will have to live in fear from now on.

 

[Kwik]

Don't live in fear because 9 times out of 10 the possible things we fear the most are highly likely not the ones that come along - there's no guarantees about tomorrow as a matter of fact nothing is guaranteed beyond this very moment- take it from an ole lady who's been around awhile

I've had many critters throughout my lifetime- all of my own kitties have always been indoors and so I never saw the point in vaccinating beyond the initial ones simply because of the cons that come with the vax itself.However,my cats that went everywhere with me and would be possibly exposed to other animals I vaccinated and nothing but adjuvanted vaccines were available- I've never had any cats have any side effects or conditions related to the vaccines.... and neither have many many folks ..I think like you it seems,if my cats that stay home we're not licenses and registered I'd not vaccinate for rabies at all- why would I ,they cannot get it out in the enclosed patio or my living room

Please don't torture yourself about what may never come,enjoy each and every moment with your beautiful baby and embrace the Love,the Peace & the Joy the Give us.... make no room for fear,be Filled with Faith in Good things

 

[silent meowlook]

Sadly, they can get the sarcomas from the purvax as well.

 

[F+V]

Thanks, I will try and probably forget for a while, but worrying is second nature to me

 

[F+V]

Sadly, they can get the sarcomas from the purvax as well.

Yes, I also read that. But as Dr. Pierson explains vaccines for herpes and calici can only reduce the severity of infections and they are both prone to mutation, not to mention possible kidney inflammation, so the risks outweigh benefits in my opinion.　However, I've read injection site sarcomas are usually caused by FeLV and rabies vaccines, so I will chill a little

 

[Kwik]

Sadly, they can get the sarcomas from the purvax as well.

Well,there's hardly enough research to really put the blame on ANY type of vax because most studies are to determine FISS( feline injection site sarcomas) the conclusion so far is that this type of cancer and the contributing factors are A- inflammation B- oxidative injury & C- genetics

So what thst seems to prove(imo) is that if the feline recipient of a vaccine administration gets a reaction at the site the risk is much greater where as the felines that have no inflammation or injury at the site are at minimal risk..... neither have been confirmed and the studies about a cats genetics being a factor are merely underway

Even only " a few" being linked positively for FISS are enough for me personally to be hesitant and opt for better solutions but this is all we've got to go on at this time....clinical trials,research and studies

 

[Kwik]

Funny,a friend and I were talking about how when we were young you had cats- fed them cat food,cleaned their litter boxes of clay litter and never went to the Vet unless they got sick( what vaccines?) And they lived healthily for 20 years.

 

[silent meowlook]

In all honesty, and I don’t recommend this for anyone, but… I don’t vaccinate my cats. They had one FVRCP each when I got them and that’s it. But they have no risk.

 

[F+V]

Funny,a friend and I were talking about how when we were young you had cats- fed them cat food,cleaned their litter boxes of clay litter and never went to the Vet unless they got sick( what vaccines?) And they lived healthily for 20 years.

My sister also has cats and she feeds them purina's kibble and doesn't always take them to the vet for annual health check but her cats seem healthy!

 

[F+V]

In all honesty, and I don’t recommend this for anyone, but… I don’t vaccinate my cats. They had one FVRCP each when I got them and that’s it. But they have no risk.

Same here. Our cats got live F3 vaccines twice and the 3rd and last F3 which was adjuvanted when they were 17 weeks old. Since then I've had two vaccine titer tests and after 5 years protection againist Panleukopenia was still strong.

 

[Kwik]

My sister also has cats and she feeds them purina's kibble and doesn't always take them to the vet for annual health check but her cats seem healthy!

I believe it! And I'm with S silent meowlook & you- if I didn't have to I would not....My one most recent addition to the family is not licensed and I'm not going to license him so he is not getting anything I'm not mandated to do.....the main reason I ever started was really for travel- living in a hurricane Evac zone I always wanted them ready for pet friendly shelter and/or airlines.....not anymore $$$,lol

Sami is certified Therapy Cat so no getting around that but the others only rabies bdcsuse of the Ciry

 

[F+V]

I just learned about the certified therapy cats! Just imagining about certifying my girl as a therapy cat cracked me up! she would meow so loudly at 4-5am to wake me up like I'm in the army

 

[Kwik]

I just learned about the certified therapy cats! Just imagining about certifying my girl as a therapy cat cracked me up! she would meow so loudly at 4-5am to wake me up like I'm in the army

Sami hounds me to get his harness at that time everyday( or wants to start earlier)brings me his leash,his harness and complains until he's tacked up( it's the time he's used to coming outside with me)

 

[Furballsmom]

I'm assuming you've made your decision, but I'm curious what you meant about the brand I mentioned being inactivated?

I may have misunderstood but I thought you were looking for non-adjuvanted rabies vaccine at that point in your thread, which the Elanco is.

 

[Kwik]

I'm assuming you've made your decision, but I'm curious what you meant about the brand I mentioned being inactivated?

I may have misunderstood but I thought you were looking for non-adjuvanted rabies vaccine at that point in your thread, which the Elanco is.

I'm not quite sure what F&V meant but Elanco ( who is a subsidiary of Lily)just finished the aquisotion expanding their animal portfolio to include the Rabvac which from my understanding is not the same as Purevax --;in the USA they go by brand name TruFel( killed vius vaccine) However Merial is available & is reliant on Purevax adjuvant free technology which was purchased from BI- I believe Purevax is the only non adjuvant recombinant feline rabies( 1 & 3 yr immunity)from my understanding

The link you provided brought me to a blank page that will not load


TBH I think they are no different than Big pharma for humans and are probably all in bed together- after hearing about all the recent aquisitions between these companies,billions of dollars paid to use ones technology and the different names used for the same drug but in different countries - I don't know what to believe anymore

 

[Meowmee]

From some brief research I discovered that apparently the incidence of vaccine sarcoma in cats has not greatly reduced even with all of the precautions taken in the 90’s and with the new non adjuvant vaccines. Apparently they cost more too which would make it less used. They found that it also switched in site incidence to the legs in the areas of the new recommended vaccine sites.

It is still relatively uncommon, but for me I am a lot more scared of rabies and panleukopenia and all of the other viruses/ diseases etc vaccines have protected us from and in some cases have controlled etc. Rabies is a rarity in the US now for people due to dog vaccination requirement.

While it is very rare for cats to get rabies, it happens, mostly in feral cats though an indoor outdoor could be exposed, cats escape and can be exposed, and bats can get into your home. Last month a feral cat tested positive for rabies in the county next to mine.

I was just reading an article the other day about a woman in Australia, who was exposed by a larger type of bat on a hike to Australian bat lyssavirus (ABLV) which is very similar to rabies so it’s not really rabies free or at least not lyssa virus free, although it’s still pretty uncommon there.

I do think however that cats and dogs are over vaccinated for a lot of things. My new Dvm just said the other day as long as a cat had one rabies vaccine she would not worry about them getting rabies.

We know that vaccines can fail and they don’t last forever, so I wonder if that is true in every case, probably not. But I don’t think we need to be vaccinating them yearly or as often as we do. However, there are those cases where cats get exposed to things and they get them even when they have been vaccinated because the vaccine efficacy wears out or whatever. In those cases, though usually they will have an easier course of illness unless it is a chronic condition.

if a person is exposed to rabies and who was also vaccinated for rabies in the past, such as a DVM, etc., they still have to be re-vaccinated and have other treatments. Because rabies is fatal and they’re not going to take the risk of relying on a previous vaccine when it can be prevented with revaccination after exposure.

For instance, one year I got the flu even though I had my flu shot that year. It was pretty bad. I was coughing badly nonstop and had a high fever for about three days. However, it could’ve been a lot worse had I not been vaccinated.

I did have the experience of one of my cats biting me when he was still an outdoor cat and I had to go through the whole rabies quarantine, etc. so now I make sure my cats are vaccinated for legal and health board requirement reasons. Here if your cat or dog bites somebody and they are not certified to be vaccinated for rabies it gets reported to the health board and the cat / dog can be taken away from you for a quarantine.

Convenia on the other hand, I will never use again knowingly. As it caused or contributed greatly to the death of one of my cats. It is also listed on a cat cancer website as a possible cause of “vaccine” sarcoma in cats , along with microchips and other long acting injections, and other things.

I don’t know if there’s research to back this up. It seems to be, not proven yet maybe. And there are hereditary factors also which seem to come in to play with the poor cats that get vaccine sarcoma.

It’s all a balance that we have to choose. I am more scared of convenia harming my cat, than I am of a vaccine harming my cat. I’m more scared of the diseases and viruses that vaccines help prevent. There are plenty of safe alternatives to convenia. But there are not alternatives to having vaccine protection, although you can choose the non adjuvant vaccines which may be safer.