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Discussion in 'IMO: In My Opinion' started by donutte, Apr 9, 2018.

  1. orange&white

    orange&white TCS Member Top Cat

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  2. orange&white

    orange&white TCS Member Top Cat

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    Tulsi Gabbard is officially running.

    She can pit her surfboard against Robert Francis' skateboard.
     

  3. doomsdave

    doomsdave TCS Member Top Cat

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    Dang, you seem awful bored, there @orange&white!

    What if DT LOSES?

    What'll you do?
     

  4. orange&white

    orange&white TCS Member Top Cat

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    Keep reading news, I suspect, like I was doing before Trump ever came down the gold escalator. :)
     

  5. doomsdave

    doomsdave TCS Member Top Cat

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    But what if the Big Pig gets roasted out of office?

    Who will you worship?

    I am seriously curious.
     
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  6. orange&white

    orange&white TCS Member Top Cat

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    I didn't vote for Trump, and I don't worship anyone but God. ;)
     
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  7. doomsdave

    doomsdave TCS Member Top Cat

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    We can agree on a big bit.

    So, who do you endorse for 2020? Why or why not?
     

  8. orange&white

    orange&white TCS Member Top Cat

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    No one yet. I voted for the Libertarian in 2012 and for an Independent candidate in 2016. It's way early yet, and things change daily/weekly. It doesn't matter who I endorse anyway. Trump will most likely win Texas.
     

  9. denice

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    It is very possible to dislike both the Democratic party and Trump. I see very few prospects in the Democratic party, in fact many of them I simply will not vote for. Disliking the Democratic party does not mean that someone is a Trump supporter.
     
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  10. orange&white

    orange&white TCS Member Top Cat

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    Yes, I could have sat out 2016, as the choice between Trump and Clinton was the most detestable of any election in my life. I've never not voted though. The down-ballot races are really more important. Local, county and state legislation has a much more direct impact on people's lives on an on-going basis than whoever is sitting in the cat bird seat in Washington for 4 or 8 years.

    2020 could be a year for a rising 3rd party star. The Democrats are two parties now: Socialists and Traditional Democrats. The Republican are two parties now: Nationalists and Traditional Republicans. Since we have two parties in "name only", I don't think people would be as reluctant to vote for an Independent or a Libertarian (or maybe Green Party) candidate. So far, 3rd parties just never find anyone serious and qualified for the job...plus the establishment DNC, RNC, and media establishment prevent 3rd parties from getting interviews, airtime, or money. A highly recognizable name would need to run.
     

  11. donutte

    donutte Thread Starter Professional cat sitter extraordinaire! Top Cat

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    My guess is the Green Party candidate will probably be perennial candidate Jill Stein, and I think she's whacko, personally. The party really could do better than her also.

    If Bernie were to run on the Independent ticket, I think he'd get the nomination, easy. Otherwise, not really sure who else is considered an Independent.

    Libertarian may or may not be Gary Johnson. I heard the whole "Aleppo" debacle that went down, which I think was truly just him spacing out for a second and hearing her wrong. But did that harm him for the future? Who knows. I will say of the third party candidates in 2016, I felt that he was the most serious of them.

    I can't remember all the other little parties out there. I think we had a total of six Presidential candidates but the only ones I remember are Stein and Johnson out of the third-party ones.
     

  12. orange&white

    orange&white TCS Member Top Cat

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    Anyone can run as an Independent without any nomination or party affiliation. The Democrat and Republican nominees are voted by primary, according to the rules determined by the DNC and RNC. The Libertarian nominee is voted in at the Libertarian convention only.

    Gary Johnson clearly was not even reading current events or keeping up with politics when he ran in 2016. He was an embarrassment to the party. Libertarians were divided 50/50 at their nominating convention. About half of them didn't want Johnson again, but mainly because they didn't like his choice of running mate, former Republican Bill Weld. I think Gary's probably out.
     

  13. donutte

    donutte Thread Starter Professional cat sitter extraordinaire! Top Cat

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    I only heard of Gary Johnson back in 2012 when my Republican friend (who is also gay) couldn't bring himself to vote for Romney due to his stance on gay rights, so he researched other candidates and decided on Johnson. I believe he also voted for him in 2016. I know for sure he didn't vote for Trump so it must have been Johnson.

    Will be interesting to see who comes up in the third parties also. I will have to keep my eyes open there and, well, BE open to them. I'm just not at all enthralled with who is coming up so far. I'm slightly more for Ojeda at this point (yes, even over Warren). But I definitely need to do more research down the line when things get more serious, and hopefully after some candidates drop (because I don't want to research 50 candidates).
     

  14. denice

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    I am currently listening to an audio version of 'Everything Trump Touches Dies' by Rick Wilson. Rick Wilson is a long time Republican strategist and practical conservative. He has a biting sense of humor and you can't read or listen to this if you have 'virginal' ears. He doesn't go overboard with the profanity but it is there. He talks about a group of people who started out as Reagan Democrats and then were Republicans but they have nothing to do with the Conservative movement. That is what Trump picked up on and took advantage of. He believes that they want autocratic rule because they want to be taken care of. That is a long way away from conservatism.
     

  15. orange&white

    orange&white TCS Member Top Cat

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    I'm familiar with Rick Wilson. Wilson worked the Marco Rubio campaign until Rubio lost. He then became the chief strategist for the "NeverTrump" movement and the Evan McMullin campaign. What's remaining of the "official" NeverTrump group are people who are more maligning and vicious against the sitting President than any Democrat or Socialist could ever dream about being. :lol:
     

  16. orange&white

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    Julian Castro is announcing in 15 minutes. I just noticed this "Live" NBC News link on YouTube. (This link will work only for the announcement and will not work afterward it stops airing.)

     

  17. orange&white

    orange&white TCS Member Top Cat

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    Castro's announcement rally just ended. It was very Hispanic-focused with much of the rally being in Spanish and English.

    Talking points:
    Immigrants from every country in the world should look at America as their first choice to migrate now and 50 years from now.
    Government Medicare for All
    Government Single-Payer Healthcare for All
    Trump is a Failed Leader
    Government Should Save the Environment
    Immigration Reform
     

  18. denice

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    Yes balloons and ice cream for all, after all we are only 22 trillion in debt. That works out to $66,447 per person and $172,097 per household. There is also $123 trillion in unfunded liabilities. 15 trillion in unfunded social security. There is also $79 trillion in unfunded medicare liability. That works out to $373,000 in unfunded liabilities per person and $967,000 in unfunded liabilities per household. Real Time US National Debt Clock | USA Debt Clock.com

    Sure balloons and ice cream for all, kind of like 'let them eat cake'.
     
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  19. mschauer

    mschauer TCS Member Top Cat

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    Who on earth are you referring to?? I can't recall any candidate advocating for balloons and ice cream. :headscratch:

    It would be helpful if you would refer to a candidates specific talking point and directly address it. That would make for a more meaningful discussion.
     

  20. Willowy

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    Single payer health care would save a TON of money in the long run. We are stupidly spending way too much on health care just because we (collectively) think "socialism" is a bad word.
     

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