Poor Kitty has Tooth Resorption

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Dr. Hale made sure I read well in advance about lip entrapment so I knew what might have to happen. He was really good at making sure I had tons to read and was educated what all the possible outcomes were and potential issues. I mean a lot of reading. It was like being in school but I really didn't mind at all as I like to know - so I truly appreciated how detailed he was making sure I understood things. I wish ALL vets were like Dr. Hale.

As we did a root canal on the canine - she's clear for the lip entrapment though - thankfully. At least for now.

TR was 307 and 407 teeth. Her chart looks amazing for everything else. He and I were both a bit surprised to see that.

I have Bupe :-) and I promise I will keep her schedule *nods* I totally agree give it no matter what to keep ahead of that pain ...and I'm kind of shocked that her vet would have given her Metacam which I'd have to put in her mouth. A bit of a yikes but now that I understand fully, I can ask for different in certain circumstances.

She is pretty loopy right now -and skittish- so I'm not bothering her. Much as I just want to hold her and reassure her, I'm letting her do this in her own time. I'm sure it was traumatic for her so I'm letting her be her.

PS / EDIT -I already booked her two week follow up :-) - and she just came upstairs and is purring and headbutting me acting like all is right with her world.

She's coughing a bit every so often (not much) but that's probably from the tube and I know she has a sensitive throat so I'll keep my eyes on her.
 
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Dr. Hale made sure I read well in advance about lip entrapment so I knew what might have to happen. He was really good at making sure I had tons to read and was educated what all the possible outcomes were and potential issues. I mean a lot of reading. It was like being in school but I really didn't mind at all as I like to know - so I truly appreciated how detailed he was making sure I understood things. I wish ALL vets were like Dr. Hale.

As we did a root canal on the canine - she's clear for the lip entrapment though - thankfully. At least for now.

TR was 307 and 407 teeth. Her chart looks amazing for everything else. He and I were both a bit surprised to see that.

I have Bupe :-) and I promise I will keep her schedule *nods* I totally agree give it no matter what to keep ahead of that pain ...and I'm so shocked that her vet would have given her Metacam. mmm no.

She is pretty loopy right now -and skittish- so I'm not bothering her. Much as I just want to hold her and reassure her, I'm letting her do this in her own time. I'm sure it was traumatic for her so I'm letting her be her.

PS / EDIT -I already booked her two week follow up :-) - and she just came upstairs and is purring and headbutting me acting like all is right with her world.
I was told by Krista's dentist that one of the drugs they use for anesthesia/sedation may make her more affectionate. So that's totally not surprising that she's purring and head butting with you. She'll probably even tear into some food if she hasn't already. It will likely be later tonight when all those anesthesia drugs where off that she'll get her first taste of what was done. If she wasn't given the 3 day bupe shot, then you'll probably first see signs of pain later tonight. Cats are tough. This will pass. You can probably double up one bupe dose tonight if she looks very uncomfortable. Confirm that with the Dr if you can. I'm pretty sure I doubled up one of Krista's doses when she was looking cross-eyed several hours after her procedure.

But yeah. Good policy to simply let her be and have her set the pace of interaction today while all the stress and medications washes out of her.
 

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So tooth resorption was in bottom 3rd premolars? (I had to look that up.) Yeah, she doesn't need those teeth at all. She won't miss them. And that's awfully convenient that her extractions were symmetrical. 👍 And the RC was on a canine? That was worth the price of a dentist to preserve that tooth.

I'll never know how much discomfort Krista's mismatched canines were causing her. But look at that sneer when she was down to one.
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She also had Horner's from a ruptured eardrum so that's part of that expression. I think this was two days after she had her second and third canines removed (with the first, her molars, and many premolars happening the year before.)

And this was one of her "cross-eyed" pictures from the evening she had her remaining mouth extraction. This was when I was thankful the dentist gave me his number to text him. I sent him this and I'm pretty sure he told me give her another bupe dose if she looks like she needs it.
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She's coughing a bit every so often (not much) but that's probably from the tube and I know she has a sensitive throat so I'll keep my eyes on her.
Tell them about this-she shouldn't be coughing. I've had two cats lose their voices from too rough an intubation/being turned over without enough attention paid to the tube, but have never had one with a cough. Even if she stops coughing, tell them and better yet see if you can get a video that you can show them.
 
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I was told by Krista's dentist that one of the drugs they use for anesthesia/sedation may make her more affectionate. So that's totally not surprising that she's purring and head butting with you. She'll probably even tear into some food if she hasn't already. It will likely be later tonight when all those anesthesia drugs where off that she'll get her first taste of what was done. If she wasn't given the 3 day bupe shot, then you'll probably first see signs of pain later tonight. Cats are tough. This will pass. You can probably double up one bupe dose tonight if she looks very uncomfortable. Confirm that with the Dr if you can. I'm pretty sure I doubled up one of Krista's doses when she was looking cross-eyed several hours after her procedure.
Yes, she is very loving and she ate right away without issues. She ate this morning too but I've been warned today might be the day she's likely to be more aware and in more pain. I gave her her Bupe right on schedule even though she looks fine and I'll stay that course for sure :-)

By 5 pm yesterday she was walking around acting very normal as if nothing had happened. By then, not even remotely dosey. I know BH though. She's toughing it out. She's always been that way. If she shows the slightest pain - I know she's really hurting bad. I have to keep close watch due to her nature.


But yeah. Good policy to simply let her be and have her set the pace of interaction today while all the stress and medications washes out of her.
She hides a bit still - not much but I know that means she feels a bit vulnerable so I leave her be and let her set the pace

:-) I took the same stance when they were brought inside. Everyone commented that they weren't "friendly" enough, but I knew they were simply very unsure. The girls have still not really gone into the upstairs bedrooms, BH only recently started to once in a while go look but that's okay. With Mia it took about a year to get her to come out of her safe room on a consistent basis. As slow as it's been, they are far more confident when they do chose to go somewhere or do something. It took a long time to really earn their trust and the rewards of that patience are pretty cool.



So tooth resorption was in bottom 3rd premolars? (I had to look that up.) Yeah, she doesn't need those teeth at all. She won't miss them. And that's awfully convenient that her extractions were symmetrical. 👍 And the RC was on a canine? That was worth the price of a dentist to preserve that tooth.

I'll never know how much discomfort Krista's mismatched canines were causing her. But look at that sneer when she was down to one.
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She also had Horner's from a ruptured eardrum so that's part of that expression. I think this was two days after she had her second and third canines removed (with the first, her molars, and many premolars happening the year before.)

And this was one of her "cross-eyed" pictures from the evening she had her remaining mouth extraction. This was when I was thankful the dentist gave me his number to text him. I sent him this and I'm pretty sure he told me give her another bupe dose if she looks like she needs it.
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Yes, I couldn't believe the luck that it was balanced. (Finally some luck!) And yes, RC was the Canine. It was thanks to you and Krista that I knew to take her to a dentist. Her vet took the stance "I'm either taking it, or not" and at that point in my head I said "Yup, nope, not. Not he Canine without a proper look." I was given very little information but I had enough thanks to you and Krista to know she needed a specialist for that. When I started the thread - you confirmed it :-) I adore her Vet but this was the right choice hands down.

Krista always looked great, even when she was unwell. XOXOXOXOX I'll keep her pain face for reference. Thank you :-)

Fantastic news about the teeth! Braveheart's in the best of hands now :redheartpump::redheartpump::redheartpump:
Thank you :-) I'm going to try my best to make sure she comes out the other side of this a happy, healthy cat! :redheartpump::redheartpump::redheartpump:


Tell them about this-she shouldn't be coughing. I've had two cats lose their voices from too rough an intubation/being turned over without enough attention paid to the tube, but have never had one with a cough. Even if she stops coughing, tell them and better yet see if you can get a video that you can show them.
I will do. I remember you saying about the voices so I made note about her sensitive throat to everyone. It's sounds like someone digging deep for a gross spit and then a cough. Her throat is a bit gurgly sounding too. I looked through all of last night kitty stalking videos and not once but this am after she ate - it happened twice more and now she seems okay. I'll still let them know.

I wil ltry to get a video of it but by the time she does it - it's over before I can grab the phone.
 
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Today: On the good side of things - she is eating like a champ and personally I think doing darn well.

On the down side ( very small) I can tell she is feeling vulnerable, but that is to be expected, mostly due to Charlie but he's mostly behaving. She's a bit swollen too, also to be expected. She isn't drinking much atm but I'll watch that and make sure she doesn't get dehydrated.

All in all I think we are off to a great start. I feel pretty honored that despite how she must feel, she still wants me to sit on the floor so she can sleep on me.

The lovely Doctor let me know that the cough is not uncommon for the few few days. SO YAY! I'll keep watch though. She had a babysitter today (AKA My mom) and I checked the cameras to make sure she was okay. She slept most of the day beside her sister very peacefully.


:yeah: I couldn't have said it better myself.
Hopefully the worst is behind Braveheart and you so she can have a pain free recuperation. :goldstar: Please keep us posted if anything changes.
Thank you :-) I am going to do my best. I honestly owe it to you all for training me so well! :XOXOXOXO

I am expecting an uneventful recovery *Knocks on wood as not to annoy Murphy's Law*
 

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Today: On the good side of things - she is eating like a champ and personally I think doing darn well.

On the down side ( very small) I can tell she is feeling vulnerable, but that is to be expected, mostly due to Charlie but he's mostly behaving. She's a bit swollen too, also to be expected. She isn't drinking much atm but I'll watch that and make sure she doesn't get dehydrated.

All in all I think we are off to a great start. I feel pretty honored that despite how she must feel, she still wants me to sit on the floor so she can sleep on me.

The lovely Doctor let me know that the cough is not uncommon for the few few days. SO YAY! I'll keep watch though. She had a babysitter today (AKA My mom) and I checked the cameras to make sure she was okay. She slept most of the day beside her sister very peacefully.




Thank you :-) I am going to do my best. I honestly owe it to you all for training me so well! :XOXOXOXO

I am expecting an uneventful recovery *Knocks on wood as not to annoy Murphy's Law*
Does she eat only wet food or some dry food as well? If she eats only wet, that's very normal to not see her drinking as she's getting more moisture from her food than she could get at the water bowl. On an all wet food diet, as long as she eats enough, she'll get enough moisture too. If she eats some dry, then I would put out very fresh water--maybe even make a big fuss over changing the water so she knows it's fresh. Maybe put out a couple bowls at different temperatures in case there is some sensitivity.
 
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Does she eat only wet food or some dry food as well? If she eats only wet, that's very normal to not see her drinking as she's getting more moisture from her food than she could get at the water bowl. On an all wet food diet, as long as she eats enough, she'll get enough moisture too. If she eats some dry, then I would put out very fresh water--maybe even make a big fuss over changing the water so she knows it's fresh. Maybe put out a couple bowls at different temperatures in case there is some sensitivity.
Yes she does eat wet food mostly - but also she usually drinks a fair bit too even though I've always added a tad of water to the wet food. At the end of the night she would get a small handful of dry as a treat. She is having zero dry food or hard treats ATM.

I'll add some more bowls. There are quite a few around already, but it won't hurt to place more right now. She loves. loves her fountains though.
 

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Krista was meh on fountains.

This was her favorite but I never let her. Except these rare moments where I forgot to leave the lid down.
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In her defense, that water gets changed several times a day. 🤦🏼‍♂️😹🤢

She used to climb my nightstand and drink from my glass. Sharing is caring. 🤦🏼‍♂️😹
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I eventually got her her own nightstand and her own glass of water.
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This usually satisfied her. Sometimes she’d still drink from my glass. When that happened, I made sure she could see me changing out her glass for fresh. That almost always attracted some fresh drinking.

But she really only drank water (that I noticed) when she was on steroids for her IBD/lymphoma and after she threw up. In fact, usually the first thing I did after she threw up was got her a fresh glass or bowl of water. Then I’d attack the clean up. And by the time I was done cleaning, she wanted a replacement meal. 🤦🏼‍♂️😹😻
 
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!!CAUTION!! at the end of this thread will be pics of what Tooth Resorption looks like so that others can keep an eye out as well in their own kitties. I don't think they are gross at all but I still wanted to place a caution note. I think it's important to see what to look for. Visual aides are often better than descriptions.

Krista was meh on fountains.

This was her favorite but I never let her. Except these rare moments where I forgot to leave the lid down.
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In her defense, that water gets changed several times a day. 🤦🏼‍♂️😹🤢

She used to climb my nightstand and drink from my glass. Sharing is caring. 🤦🏼‍♂️😹
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I eventually got her her own nightstand and her own glass of water.
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This usually satisfied her. Sometimes she’d still drink from my glass. When that happened, I made sure she could see me changing out her glass for fresh. That almost always attracted some fresh drinking.

But she really only drank water (that I noticed) when she was on steroids for her IBD/lymphoma and after she threw up. In fact, usually the first thing I did after she threw up was got her a fresh glass or bowl of water. Then I’d attack the clean up. And by the time I was done cleaning, she wanted a replacement meal. 🤦🏼‍♂️😹😻
I have to say those are so adorable. Even the Toilet! XOXOX LOL I love that she had her own glass!!! Smart kitty she was.

Most of my kids will drink water and usually well - so I will never sort out how the vet says they need more. I wonder why they get dehydrated when they eat most moist and drink a good bit. It's weird.

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Okay these are tooth Resorption pictures from the Doctor - the up close. Hopefully if someone else sees this thread it will help them to recognize it faster than I did. While BH goes every year for a full physical (Dental included) and I do brush her teeth - I still missed it somehow. (These pictures were during exam - before any cleaning or work was done.)

I will be checking their teeth better now and not just brushing. I feel bad I didn't exam the teeth every so often like I do other parts of the body. I mean I did take a quick look for obvious things - but not near well enough. Their teeth are so tiny I wouldn't have recognized this for what it was. So maybe this will help someone else do better. I know it will me.

If anyone has difficulties viewing them - let me know and I'll optimize them better.

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So Glad She is doing so well.. I have been watching this. It must be such a relief for you.. OMGosh... and to get it over and done, within a short time frame.. stressful for you, but it worked out great in the end. Such an awesome Dentist...

Yes, keep ahead of the pain. I was lucky. My vet used the long acting pain killer.. Geoffrey hid for several hours, when he came home, then he came right out and began eating his wet food.
He was kept away from dry food for 3-4 days..

She will be ok... really.. It will just take a while for her to get used to her new mouth.. She will probably be a much happier, and perkier kitty. I noticed that with Geoffrey, and Artie..

And, daftcat75 daftcat75 Thank you for all the advice. I will try to remember, all of it...

(((hugs))))
 

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What a terrible disease. Glad your kitty is doing well. :redheartpump::hugs:

I booked Felix for a consultation this Friday and hopefully he'll have those nasty teeth out by Monday. But I don't know if they should remove the front ones. I'd hate to have to pay more money in a few months to have them pull more teeth that became affected by the resorption. Right now it's just his molars but of course that can change quickly.
 

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!CAUTION!! at the end of this thread will be pics of what Tooth Resorption looks like so that others can keep an eye out as well in their own kitties. I don't think they are gross at all but I still wanted to place a caution note. I think it's important to see what to look for. Visual aides are often better than descriptions.
Thanks for the pics of BH's FORL. I think visual aides are always helpful especially for those of us who have been in this situation with their cat(s). Our previous cat had this health issue and our present guy had a very bad start in life which I partially blame for his dental problems. I also switched from mostly dry food to wet and happy I did. Keep the good news coming on Braveheart. 🤗
 
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So Glad She is doing so well.. I have been watching this. It must be such a relief for you.. OMGosh... and to get it over and done, within a short time frame.. stressful for you, but it worked out great in the end. Such an awesome Dentist...

Yes, keep ahead of the pain. I was lucky. My vet used the long acting pain killer.. Geoffrey hid for several hours, when he came home, then he came right out and began eating his wet food.
He was kept away from dry food for 3-4 days..

She will be ok... really.. It will just take a while for her to get used to her new mouth.. She will probably be a much happier, and perkier kitty. I noticed that with Geoffrey, and Artie..

And, daftcat75 daftcat75 Thank you for all the advice. I will try to remember, all of it...

(((hugs))))
*HUGS* XO Yes. Massive relief. TBH I'm was more frightened I was going to lose her because of the apnea but they used something different and the wonderful girl who did the anesthesia was so kind and made a point of talking to me about it so I would know. The entire team their I could hug so hard if it wasn't for Covid. They were all a joy to deal with - and not only talented - but amazing human beings. I'm glad I followed my gut and picked them. (and yes he is an amazing dentist! So agree.) They were so very good to us.

I have to keep her away from anything hard for two weeks - she is not happy with me about that lol. Regardless of her displeasure I am going to do as I am told.

Thank you for that . It's makes me feel better thinking about her with a happy pain-free future. One of my main things was how will her life be after this - but all signs are pointing to very good. She has been through so much with the Plasma cell Pododermatitis, adjusting to a new life, dealing with Charlie lol - etc etc that I'm really hoping she knows some pain-free joy now and lives a long happy life.

Yes thank you daftcat75 daftcat75 for all the help and taking the time to document things for others.


Bull l was fine ;-) XO

I had to go pick up some stuff form her Vet tonight and they asked how she was - the reaction to the cough was less than happy, it was concerned - but they did say the same thing. It apparently can happen especially since she has a sensitive throat. If the cough is still there in a week - in she goes though. Bah.

She is having no issues, thankfully, yelling at me with her demands still.


What a terrible disease. Glad your kitty is doing well. :redheartpump::hugs:

I booked Felix for a consultation this Friday and hopefully he'll have those nasty teeth out by Monday. But I don't know if they should remove the front ones. I'd hate to have to pay more money in a few months to have them pull more teeth that became affected by the resorption. Right now it's just his molars but of course that can change quickly.
Thank you. :-) XO It is awful - kitties should not have to go through this. I hope over time enough research leads us to the cause and prevention of this.

You don't have to say if you don't want (and can PM too) but who did you decide on for Felix? Or is Felix going to his normal vet?

Please let us know how you guys make out! XOXOX

Thanks for the pics of BH's FORL. I think visual aides are always helpful especially for those of us who have been in this situation with their cat(s). Our previous cat had this health issue and our present guy had a very bad start in life which I partially blame for his dental problems. I also switched from mostly dry food to wet and happy I did. Keep the good news coming on Braveheart. 🤗
*HUGS* You're welcome. I hope they help someone else in the future the way daftcat75 daftcat75 was able to help us.

Yeah Charlie is the same, teeth so far are okay, but loads of issues because of a bad start in life. Sucks :-(

*Nods on the wet food* It's why the kitties only get a bit of dry as a "treat".

We will do our best to keep the positive news. I've instructed her that she needs to heal perfectly.

XOXOXOXOX to you all.
 

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His regular vet quoted me $1,100 - $1,400+ for a full mouth extraction but he said he's against pulling healthy teeth because apparently a cat's back teeth can be tricky. But the x-rays should reveal more. Going to set the appointment for next week. :confused: His mouth is an absolute mess with all the diseased teeth so I don't know what else to do. It is what it is I guess.

His regular vet is under new management and this current veterinarian seems more thorough than the last so hopefully he does his job.
 

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His regular vet quoted me $1,100 - $1,400+ for a full mouth extraction but he said he's against pulling healthy teeth because apparently a cat's back teeth can be tricky. But the x-rays should reveal more. Going to set the appointment for next week. :confused: His mouth is an absolute mess with all the diseased teeth so I don't know what else to do. It is what it is I guess.

His regular vet is under new management and this current veterinarian seems more thorough than the last so hopefully he does his job.
I believe this is a job for a dentist. But I also don’t know that his mouth has the two to six months typical wait time for a dentist. Even if you go with your regular vet for this, I would still schedule a consultation with a dentist. Regular vets are only so good at these. When I took Krista to the dentist, he pointed out several mistakes that her regular vets made in the extractions because they aren’t specialists. They don’t have that extra education, expertise, and experience.

That said, leaving back teeth is better than leaving front teeth. I’m more worried about asymmetrical canine extractions. Scroll up for Krista’s one tooth sneer. She made it work for nearly eight or nine months. But by the time she did see a dentist, she had evidence of lip entrapment and gum ulceration.

Do what he needs now. But plan for a follow up with a dentist.
 

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I'm worried about how much a specialist might cost because I'm already borrowing money for this surgery now. Some things happened that I don't want to get into but I've found myself in a tough spot so his regular vet is my only option right now. I had a good look in his mouth (which he is clearly uncomfortable with because of pain), all his bottom back teeth are goners. They are all affected by resorption and that means his top teeth can't stay because in the spot where his previous molar was pulled, the top tooth has irritated that spot and it's a swollen mess. So that leaves all his front teeth. That is all he will have left. I will check the top ones again for any lesions when my mom comes home and is able to help. I know I should have looked into a specialist after the first surgery and I had intended to but I didn't think it would have returned so soon since the clinic told me he might need more dental later in life... not the following year.
 
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