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  1. Mia6

    Mia6 Mother of two Top Cat

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    Oh no. I hope he/she will be ok.
     
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  2. sivyaleah

    sivyaleah TCS Member Veteran

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    Saw this morning, at least 3 of the windows are ok. Nearly all of the art work was saved. Much of it was already in storage due to the construction. Huge relief.

    So devastating to see. I work in architecture - my entire office practically has been to Notre Dame - except one or two of us me included. My husband and I had been planning to go to Paris this year, but unfortunately life prevented us from planning it far enough in advance. It was incredibly painful to watch yesterday, however, somewhat of a small relief this morning to see the facade is standing and that it can and will be rebuilt. I saw that France's most wealthy citizen that owns Louis Vuitton, Christian Dior and one of the big Champagne houses (forget his name off hand, and the Champagne shame on me) is donating over 200 million to the effort. I'm sure many more will lend their support as well including those around the world - St. Patrick's in NYC has already said they will fund raise to help as well.
     
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  3. Kat0121

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    Henri Pinault ( CEO of Kering and hubby of Salma Hayek) is donate $113 million to the restoration fund.
     
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  4. Winchester

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    It broke my heart. I'm not a religious person by any stretch, but the history, the architecture. It is heart-breaking.
     
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  5. Kat0121

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    I'm not religious at all either and it really is heart breaking. It's such an iconic place.
     
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  6. sivyaleah

    sivyaleah TCS Member Veteran

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    Same and Jewish no less. Being religious certainly is not a prerequisite to appreciating architecture be it religious or not. It's a remarkable feat of engineering and a huge loss. Some of the most memorable places I've been are Christian sites. Truly awe inspiring.
     
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  7. DreamerRose

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    Regardless of the cause, the similarity is that we feel grief for the loss of another country.
     

  8. She's a witch

    She's a witch TCS Member Super Cat

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    Not only I'm not religious, I'm anti religious at times, and I think that the only truly good thing the Catholic church brought to this world is their medieval architecture, cathedrals, Notre Dame being one of the finest (although it was built at a great human cost, so hard to say it's a good thing..). I cried like a baby yesterday, it moved me so much. Even if it's restored, it's not the same, some things cannot be brought back. It managed to stand almost intact for several hundreds year and got damaged in one evening.

    Re 9/11 analogy - to me it feels totally different, there were so many people that died there in the indescribable circumstances caused by terror and sheer evil, and my emotional focus was for these people, I hardly thought about the building itself... Here, luckily it's only building that I mourn, and it's totally different kind of mourning.

    And personally I also don't see it as a national loss, it's a loss to the whole humanity. There are not that many great medieval building left in the World, after all.
     
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  9. aliceneko

    aliceneko TCS Member Top Cat

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    I'm a practicing member of the Church of England (Anglicanism) and a regular visitor to France and have always been interested in French culture and society; so I was heartbroken by the news. I agree that one doesn't have to be connected to any particular religion to feel moved by the news. Many people across the world have been visibly upset by the images and don't practice any religion particularly at all. The Notre Dame is one of the most important attractions in Paris and is also one of the most important buildings and religious sites of Western culture. It's nearly 900 years old and has seen the Reformation, two World Wars including a Nazi occupation, coronations, several revolutions and uprisings, and more... to see it in flames made my stomach turn.
    BUT the Notre Dame has remained safe inside including all the religious artefacts, relics and important paintings and sculptures. I also think one of the main things is that no lives were lost. Whilst it won't be the same, Notre Dame's spire and roof can be rebuilt, but if there were lives lost we'd never have gotten them back so I'm grateful no humans were harmed during this tragedy.

    In other related news; an investigation with 50 team members has opened to determine the cause of the fire, which some think could be arson started by an anti-Catholic protestor as there has been a surge of anti-Catholic related violence in France and the Netherlands over the past month. (But this has now been ruled out by the team.)
     
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  10. Margret

    Margret TCS Member Top Cat

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    I wouldn't be posting this without the permission of the author. Please note that, while I'm including her copyright notice, the reason she gave me permission to post it here is that she hopes someone here can send it to someone in France, who may be comforted by it.

    Margret
     
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  11. Margret

    Margret TCS Member Top Cat

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    Notre Dame took two centuries to build. Master craftsmen devoted their entire lives to this single project, and taught their sons, who devoted their lives to it, all the time knowing that they wouldn't live long enough to see it completed. For all of that to have been destroyed, accidentally, in a single night would have been intolerable. I'm so very glad that so much has been saved.

    I heard this morning that only one of the rose windows was lost (I don't know which one). I would think that there should be no problem duplicating it.

    Margret
     
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  12. denice

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    I saw the picture of the inside of the church this morning. All that fire damage and that huge gold cross was still over the alter. At least from the distance it still had that luster that only comes from high quality gold.
     
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  13. PippasMum

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    Yes, the BBC reported this morning that sixteen statues needing repair had been removed previous to the fire, thankfully. Those windows though :( So gorgeous and total one-offs. It broke my heart to see this as it was happening [on television; I wasn't there]. I can't imagine how broken hearted were the Parisians and holiday-makers were to be there as it went up. And here before Easter! Mind, I am pagan, but I love the the things of all religions and respect them.... and this was something you can never truly replace. My heart is in Paris for all and as someone said above, although I'm not quoting exactly, Notre Dame is a world treasure indeed. Workmanship, love, and dedication doesn't get much finer than this. Blessings to the the lovely men and women of the fire brigades who worked tirelessly to put out the flames as soon as possible to salvage what they could.
     
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  14. Margret

    Margret TCS Member Top Cat

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  15. Willowy

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    They say there is only minor structural damage to the stone parts, but of course the wooden beams are totally destroyed. And they won't be able to replace them because there aren't enough 400-year-old oaks on the planet (which is upsetting on a few different levels), so they'll have to use more modern materials to rebuild. It sounds like they're getting plenty of donations though.

    I hate to see any of the really old buildings being damaged :(.
     
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  16. DreamerRose

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    The Pillars of the Earth by Ken Follet is a fascinating novel about the building of a great cathedral. I read it some time ago, but the details shed some light about what happened to Notre Dame, if anyone is interested.

    It's amazing that the gold cross and the glass windows didn't melt.

    I heard on TV this morning that someone, not too long ago, took 3-D pictures of everything in the cathedral, millimeter by millimeter. So the information is there for reconstruction.
     
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  17. Mia6

    Mia6 Mother of two Top Cat

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  18. Margret

    Margret TCS Member Top Cat

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    You're correct that the lack of old oaks is deeply disturbing, but even if they were available I believe that they'd do better to use more modern (read "fireproof") materials in the reconstruction. Also, I'd hate to see all those old trees cut down.

    Didn't Kipling write something about this, as well? One of the people the children met in either, um, Puck of Pook's Hill or Rewards and Fairies, available for free here: Puck of Pook's Hill by Rudyard Kipling and here: Rewards and Fairies by Rudyard Kipling.

    Margret
     

  19. Willowy

    Willowy TCS Member Top Cat

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    The fire wasn't really down in that area. It was all up in the roof with the big wooden beams. The wooden church pews weren't burned either.
     
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  20. Willowy

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  21. denice

    denice Thread Starter Advisor Staff Member Advisor

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    It looks like initial pledges are going to come to right at a billion dollars. Hopefully when the rebuild is done they will install a comprehensive sprinkler system. The National Cathedral in Washington is having one put in and they are about 80% finished with it. I think St Patrick's in New York was also working on one, I don't know if it is complete. I know the burning of candles and incense could possibly cause a sprinkler to go off if it isn't done right but that would be better then what has happened here.
     
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