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Discussion in 'IMO: In My Opinion' started by denice, Sep 2, 2017.

  1. Katie M

    Katie M TCS Member Super Cat

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    The last three presidents knew better than to believe what the Kims say. I kind of figured Kim wasn't being sincere when he said he wouldn't test nukes anymore-what with that report from the Chinese geologists about the state of the test site.
     
  2. gareth

    gareth TCS Member Super Cat

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    North Korean leaders have been trying to get a face to face with an American president for decades - since the Korean war, because that gives the leader huge credibility in the region, but past presidents were all smart enough to know that NK would never give up it's nukes and were thus smart enough not to give NK the concession of a meeting. Until now, of course.

    Did you notice at the meeting on the border, Kim invited the South Korean leader to step over to the north rather than the other way around. This would have been a sign of deference in that society, of willingness to compromise, but instead he showed he was in complete control and had given nothing up. That's when I sat up and noticed Kim as being more than a tin pot dictator. He's a survivor and a manipulator.

    Ultimately Kim's goal will be to drive a wedge between the US, South Korea, and other allies, and loosen sanctions. Trump seems to be the ONLY person that realises Kim won't, in fact CANNOT under any circumstances, give up his nukes. But Trump wants to be seen as the great neogotiator so will end up coming up with some agreement that costs NK little. Maybe put tests on hold for an agreed time etc. Trump believe he’s the greatest negotiator in history. North Korea, like everyone else in the world, is realizing not just that this isn’t true, but also that Trump actually believes it — and that as a result, it won’t be that hard to manipulate him.

    Kim is playing Trump beautifully.
     
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  3. xlpooper

    xlpooper TCS Member Top Cat

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    We got 3 American hostages back and we didn't have to give a darn thing to the psycho Kim for them.
     
  4. xlpooper

    xlpooper TCS Member Top Cat

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    Trump didn't believe Kim either but he wanted the 3 hostages freed and was willing to do what was needed to get them free, evidently Obama couldn't be bothered to made the effort.
     
  5. Katie M

    Katie M TCS Member Super Cat

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    You're really not listening, are you? Kim is in control of the situation, not Trump.
     
  6. xlpooper

    xlpooper TCS Member Top Cat

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    What did Kim get out it again?
     
  7. Katie M

    Katie M TCS Member Super Cat

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    The knowledge that he can say one thing and derail everything. Kim didn't give Trump the chance to walk away-he beat him to the punch.
     
  8. xlpooper

    xlpooper TCS Member Top Cat

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    "Knowledge"? Knowledge is what he got? okey dokey then.
     
  9. Katie M

    Katie M TCS Member Super Cat

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    You're so blinded by your loyalty to Trump that you can't see the truth. Proof of Trump paying back Cohen was released today, you'll just ignore it, like you're ignoring this.
     
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  10. Willowy

    Willowy TCS Member Top Cat

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    Kim kidnapped those American citizens expressly so he could "return" them and get accolades and possibly favors for it. It had nothing to do with negotiations.
     
  11. xlpooper

    xlpooper TCS Member Top Cat

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    And you aren't blinded by hatred of Trump?
    What truth is that? I'm not sure why you are arguing, it's not like Trump gave North Korea anything at all.
    And what does Cohen have to do with this thread?
    But yes, people usually do pay their attorney's, attorney's charge a lot of money.
     
  12. xlpooper

    xlpooper TCS Member Top Cat

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    Hmm, and that all happened while Obama was President, it took Trump to get them released.

    I'm done, this is getting boring. We got the hostages released, we didn't give Rocket boy anything so all is good except for the starving NK people. Later
     
  13. gareth

    gareth TCS Member Super Cat

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    I’ve already answered that but once again you’re reading with your eyes closed.
     
  14. Willowy

    Willowy TCS Member Top Cat

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    He released them when he felt it was politically advantageous, as is usually done in political kidnapping cases (which are not rare!). It had nothing to do with Trump, except that Kim was trying to butter him up.

    Oh and 2 of them were kidnapped in April/May 2017, while Trump was president. The other guy was detained in 2015. What made you think this all happened when Obama was president?
    North Korea has just released 3 American hostages

    I think it's interesting they ALL have the last name Kim. But I think that's the most common Korean last name so maybe it's not as odd as it seems.
     
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  15. Katie M

    Katie M TCS Member Super Cat

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    Obama never would've allowed Kim to butter him up, he was too smart for that. Trump's ego is incredibly fragile and easily manipulated, and Kim is well aware of that.
     
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  16. mschauer

    mschauer TCS Member Top Cat

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    Over the years N Korea has released every American hostage they have ever held. That they did so again is not due to Trump. It's just something they do. They hold them for a while, then release them.
     
  17. mschauer

    mschauer TCS Member Top Cat

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    Two were taken hostage in April '17, during Trump's first year in office.

    In the 8 years President Obama was in office N Korea took 13 Americans hostage. All but 2 were released before he left office. The remaining 2 were released after he left office.
     
  18. Blakeney Green

    Blakeney Green TCS Member Alpha Cat

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    Satisfaction. Control of the situation. The ability to summon and dismiss the United States at his whim.

    If you think that isn't a goal in itself for the Kims, you can't have been paying much attention to Asian politics for the past few decades.
     
  19. JamesCalifornia

    JamesCalifornia TCS Member Super Cat

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    ~ Obviously fat Kim is getting hungry and wants the sanctions lifted and a boathouse of cash as past administrations have done. No go this time !
    Unfortunately it seems Kim may be suicidal after all . If he doesn't blow himself up first it appears the US may have to do something along those lines for him. I feel sorry for his people ...
    We will hope and see what unfolds. Remember this warning :
    " Never trust a man who travels with his own toilet ! " :think:
     
  20. JamesCalifornia

    JamesCalifornia TCS Member Super Cat

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    ~ Sadly our past administrations have not paid much attention as well ... `:sigh:
     

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