New kitten with ringworm...so confused on ringworm

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Hello, my husband rescued a kitten from the side of a highway last week. She was estimated to be about 6 weeks old. She had an initial vet visit but weighed less than 1lb so not much was done other than to give her sub-cutaneous fluids, revolution for ear mites and fleas. She was severely dehydrated with patches of skin showing that we were told was due to malnutrition.

This week, we noticed although gaining weight, she was losing more hair. Fleas and mites were gone but she had scales and dry skin. No redness. We took her back to the vet who said she didn't know how she missed ringworm as this kitten's case we severe. Ugh.

She had her first medicated bath yesterday and one dosage .7mg of itraconazol tonight. She weighs 2.7 lbs. She threw up about an hour later. Not sure if this is the medication or the stress from a change to her environment of confining her. I have read as much as I can on ringworm on these forums and others and am confused by it and the treatments. I know that cleaning is important, but but my husband is beside himself and on the verge of tears for this poor kitten and from the stress of trying to sterilize the house. From what I have read, I know it's impossible to sterilize the house and that the spores are naturally occuring in all environments, its when they are concentrated that it becomes an issue.

Dr. Karen Moriello's reports that "Microsporum canis infections are typically due to contact with an infected animal, mainly cats. Transmission from contaminated environments is not an efficient route of transmission" so am I reading this wrong, or why the extra emphasis on sterilizing the environment as everyone seems to stress? I have read the length and depth of strenuous cleaning others have gone through and am wondering if it's really effective, or just making them feel better?

Dr. Moriello also stated that "Experimental dermatophyte infections required that the skin surface was lightly abraded prior to dermatophyte inoculation and kept moist as the infection developed. Additionally, normal grooming is likely a host defence mechanism in cats. Clinical infection was very difficult to establish in laboratory cats experimentally infected with dermatophytes, and Elizabethan collars and prevention of self-grooming were required to allow clinical infection to develop." So, this reads to me that cats need some type of scratches on them for the spores to settle and their own self-grooming prevents infection. I think our kitten's flea bites were the abrasions so this makes sense and it seems that a contaminated environment alone is not enough as Dr. Moreillo reports that "... contact with a contaminated environment alone in the absence of concurrent microtrauma is an exceedingly rare source of infection in both people and animals." "In another study, infected owners were found only in households containing cats and owner infection seemed most commonly associated with direct contact with the cat (kittens) rather than through the environment; in 23 contaminated homes no owner infection was noted even though animals were in the home. In vivo data exist that support the primary mode of dermatophyte transmission is animal–animal contact even in the presence of a contaminated environment."

My husband is literally going to have a nervous breakdown and I'm trying to assure him we need to clean, but we cannot possibly sterilize the house. Dr. Moriello also reports that cleaning is only to lessen the duration of the infection, not get rid of it as it goes away on it's own and that deep cleaning 2x week is fine with daily routine cleaning. Has anyone followed this?

We are also very concerned for the mental well-being of our kitten. She is at the age where she needs to be socialized. Per Dr. Moriello, "Confinement needs to be used with care and for the shortest time possible. Dermatophytosis is a curable disease, but behaviour problems and socialization problems can be life-long if the young or newly adopted animals are not socialized properly. Veterinarians need to consider animal welfare and quality of life when making this recommendation." How the heck do we handle this?

Did anyone come out okay with following what Dr. Moriello reports? Or am I way off base in interpreting her paper? I'm not even sure what we are dealing with here. Thanks for listening and any advice welcome.
 

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i would just go with following your vets advice advice i do know when my moms kitten had ringworm we had to isolate the kitten . it for the duration and no harm came from it to the kitten. it was still as clingy as the day we first got it after the ring worm was gone. but the vet gave us some cream to use. we also bleached down every where the kitten came in contact with during its isolation time
 

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Hi. I am not a veterinarian and this is all just my own personal opinion based on my experiences.

Do you have other animals?
Is the reason for isolating the kitten to prevent you from getting it? In my opinion, that ship has sailed. I have worked with people that get it and people that don’t. I have always seen it easily treated in people. It just seems some get it and some don’t.

I think with treatment and as this kittens immune system gets stronger, it will resolve.

If this was my kitten, and I didn’t have other pets, I wouldn’t do total isolation.

I would up my normal cleaning, as in washing linens and washable things more, and vacuuming daily. I wouldn’t be bleaching the entire house.

It can take a while to resolve in some kittens, but the healthier she is the better.
 

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I'm not a microbiologist so I can't specifically support or refute any findings by Dr. Moriello (btw, never heard of this person), but if that paper by that one doctor is the only one you've found that gives that opinion and findings, I would take it with a grain of salt. Perhaps a big grain of salt. A kitten brought ringworm into my home back in 2017 and everything I read back then talked about sterilizing and regular cleaning. If every other source is saying to do that, I wouldn't necessarily discount it all because of one paper. Of course, science can come in and disprove conventional wisdom, and maybe that will happen, but if it's only one paper or researcher providing these findings, I wouldn't feel confident enough in them to toss all the conventional wisdom out the window quite yet. However, that being said, I didn't do everything I read that I should do, just because I was physically unable.

When I went through it, the kitten itself was supposedly over the ringworm and in fact I never did see it on him, though the rescuer told me he had had it. At the time, I had another kitten who was long-haired and she got it within a few weeks of bringing him into the home. Later I got it as well. I did not have carpet, so I was able to mop all of my floors, however, I do have fibromyalgia, so I couldn't physically do the amount of sterilization around the apartment that I was reading was necessary. I tried to mop twice a week and I tried to keep washing our bedding and my clothes regularly, but that's about all I could do. I think I at some point got rid of their cat tree and got another. I aso kept sheets over the couch. I gave both of the cats medicated baths and applied medication on my girl's spots. I wound up shaving her hair and keeping it shaved for several months. I actually wound up having it the longest because I'd think it was gone and stop a few days earlier than what the medication called for, only for it to spring up again on another spot. I can't remember how long the whole thing lasted, it was months but I'm not sure how many (seems like it was maybe 6-8 months at least?) I did read that the fungi can live in the environment and cause reinfection for up to a year, however. Whether that's likely or not, I don't know, but I'd do as much as you physically can do and then just hope for the best.

Maybe a year and a half after that experience, I rescued / fostered another kitten with a bad ringworm infection. She was kept in a crate because of injuries and I was a bit worried that I or the other cats might get it, but we thankfully did not. However, I left the country for a month and sent her to stay with another fosterer who had two adult cats and she and both of her cats contracted it from the kitten.

As far as introducing him to your other cats, that's up to you. If you're willing to deal with it with your other pets, then go ahead and introduce them - I don't think it significantly harms them, it will just be annoying and will possibly lengthen the time it takes for you to eradicate it because you'll have more animals to deal with. My kittens didn't particularly like taking baths but I had two big advantages in that 1) they were kittens (so their nails and teeth weren't as sharp, plus they could adapt quicker) and 2) I was living in China, where my entire bathroom was a shower, so I wasn't dealing with trying to keep them in a tub with nothing but a shower curtain to prevent them from escaping. They could run anywhere in the bathroom and I could still spray them with the water. Long haired animals are more likely to get it and more likely to have a harder time getting rid of it, because it can hang out underneath all that fur, hence my poor cat's unfortunate hairdo.
 
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Thank you all for your advice and suggestions. We have been cleaning as much as possible. She is on .71 Itrafungol, a medicated bath x2/weekly and was just prescribed clonol1%. We noticed she had seem constipated this past week so we’re giving her a little pumpkin with her food. This morning we woke up and she has had diarrhea for the past hour. She is making an effort to go but sometimes it drips out. It is covering her back legs and tail as she can’t seem to “clear” it from her body as she is hunched so low. She attempted to vomit and a small dab of white foam came out but hasn’t attempted to bomit since. She did vomit one time a few days ago and a bit last night, which was food but she has been eating voraciously Anyone have these effects with these medicines. She’s taken the oral 4 times and had 2 medicated baths and Clonol 1% was started last night. Also wondering if it could be the deep cleaning we did yesterday? We steamed the rugs and I used Rescue and disinfecting wipes. We are waiting on the vet to call back…..
 

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Hi. She needs to see the veterinarian asap. I don’t think it could be the medications, but maybe? Most importantly is that kittens can deteriorate extremely quickly. I would think the effects of using bleach would cause more respiratory effects as opposed to GI.
We used to use Rescue at the cat hospital I worked at. Just don’t combine it with bleach.
 
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She was able to see a vet this morning (thankfully my MIL works with a rescue group). They feel she looks good but was dehydrated. She got sub-Q fluids and came home with a probiotic, Proviable, She’s also gained weight since we first found her, about 1.3lbs in 2 weeks. So, although we think the Itrafungol may be the cause the vet advised us not to stop it. But we are going to do so for today. She are a bit when she came home and is now resting.
 

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She was able to see a vet this morning (thankfully my MIL works with a rescue group). They feel she looks good but was dehydrated. She got sub-Q fluids and came home with a probiotic, Proviable, She’s also gained weight since we first found her, about 1.3lbs in 2 weeks. So, although we think the Itrafungol may be the cause the vet advised us not to stop it. But we are going to do so for today. She are a bit when she came home and is now resting.
We have had very good results when our one cat had severe diarrhea with Proviable. It worked quickly for her. I'm glad she gained some weight and I hope she continues to improve.




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So our poor kitten. She did so well when she came home from the vet, but this morning is back to straining to try and poop and the little that comes out is watery brown and she’s pooping on herself. She also attempted to vomit again but nothing came out. She is not really eating much today but is playful like a kitten, playing in her own with toys and running and climbing. She’s had two doses of provable ad we did not give her the Itrafungol yesterday. I really don’t know how long side effects from medication last but this leads me to believe it’s not the medication. Poor girl. Back to the vet tomorrow.
 

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So our poor kitten. She did so well when she came home from the vet, but this morning is back to straining to try and poop and the little that comes out is watery brown and she’s pooping on herself. She also attempted to vomit again but nothing came out. She is not really eating much today but is playful like a kitten, playing in her own with toys and running and climbing. She’s had two doses of provable ad we did not give her the Itrafungol yesterday. I really don’t know how long side effects from medication last but this leads me to believe it’s not the medication. Poor girl. Back to the vet tomorrow.
Proviable has montmorillonite clay in it. That what really stops the diarrhea. I found my cat only needed two doses. More than that she started going toward constipation.
 

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Please monitor her very carefully. There are just so many things that could be wrong. I would think that it wouldn’t be related to the medication at this point. Have you seen her eating anything she shouldn’t? With the wanting to vomit and liquid poop, those can be symptoms of an intestinal blockage. Kittens sometimes eat idiotic non edible things.

The other big concern is that kittens can get critically dehydrated and de compensate very rapidly, within hours. If there is no improvement soon, you may have to take her to an urgent care or an ER.
 
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Thank to all and as a strange ending it turns out our kitten never had ringworm at all. All 3 tests came back negative. I admit we never thought she had it after reading so much about it, but as pet parents we are told to listen to our vet as they are experts. In our case, two different vets told us she had ringworm and one thought she didn’t. In a better safe than sorry scenario (we have 4 other cats), she was prescribed medication and we started our cleaning regimes. She got sicker and sicker and we were really worried. Now, I would be lying if I said I wasn’t somewhat angry with the vets who misdiagnosed her and then provided the medication we had to give her. It was the medication that was making her so sick with diarrhea and vomit. Once discontinued she was fine. Her hair loss was from malnutrition and starvation while on the streets. I’m so glad she is better and she is becoming more of a kitten everyday. So, a happy outcome and one happy kitten .
 

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Hi. So, how did they diagnose the ringworm in the first place?
I am so glad she is doing better.
The hospital should reimburse you the costs of the medications they sold you for the ringworm.
So frustrating.
 

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I'm soooooo Glad kitten is doing better! Also, glad it's not Ringworm! Oy, what a wild ride with vets and medications :O
 
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Hi. So, how did they diagnose the ringworm in the first place?
I am so glad she is doing better.
The hospital should reimburse you the costs of the medications they sold you for the ringworm.
So frustrating.
They diagnosed by sight/experience I guess. I'm just glad she doesn't have it but she was so, so sick and it was all from the medication. She is still super tiny from the malnourishment/starvation but she is getting there. Just so frustrating and another reason why confirmation of test results is so important. I know this test takes so long to come back but they still had us treat her
 

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There is no way to diagnose ring worm on site. Fungal cultures in house or a test to the lab must be done. I am so sorry your kitten got so sick and that you were mislead.
 
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There is no way to diagnose ring worm on site. Fungal cultures in house or a test to the lab must be done. I am so sorry your kitten got so sick and that you were mislead.
Thank you. We learned from it so that’s a positive
 
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