Lip rodent ulcer continuously bleeding

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My cat  developed a rodent ulcer about 5 weeks ago. She has been on prednisone (4 weeks), and most recently clavamox antibiotics (1 week), and  a hypo-allergenic diet  to try and help clear it up. It is right under her nose, and she is constantly licking it. Now for the past 2 days, it will start to bleed on an off. Not heavy bleeding,but a constant seepage. Just before this happened, it was looking like it was finally clearing up. I believe the bleeding is caused by her constant licking on the raw soar. I can clearly see the spot it is bleeding from. 

Are there any non-toxic products (or methods) that I can use to prevent her from licking at it!? Maybe something sour? Or anything that will stop the bleeding?

I tried to ask my vet but they keep telling me that there is little to nothing they can for this. 

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Sounds like she is getting the correct treatment.  The only thing I know of that COULD be changed is her food dishes.  What do you feed her with.  If plastic or rubber dishes, you could change those out to either stainless steel or china or ceramic.  The plastic or rubber can house bacteria, no matter how often you wash them
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Hopefully, if anyone knows of any other treatment, they will see this and response
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Oh, I did see a couple of threads where people said adding L-Lysine to their diet might help, and also PURE Evening Primrose Oil.  And also feeding a grain free diet.  Do you do any of those things?  Couldn't hurt.  On the L-lysine, you want the pure stuff, and can buy it in powdered form.  Ok to feed up to 1000 mg per day during a breakout, split between a.m. and p.m.  Not sure the dosage of the Evening Primose Oil, but if you want to try that, I'm know some folks who use it, so can probably find out for you.

 

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I know several people with herpes kitties that are prone to ulcers use pure Evening Primrose oil. The dose is 1/8 t to 1/4 t once a day.  We use a liquid oil with a dropper.
 
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I might have been unclear about what this thread was about. 

I need help getting her to stop licking the soar (on her lip), or stop the bleeding. Something sour, like what mothers put on thumb-suckers thumbs to stop them from putting it in their mouth, or neosporin (not sure if this is alright for animals to ingest). Obviously a cone alone will not prevent her from licking her lip continuously and making it raw and bloody.

It is now bleeding multiple times a day, and I have no way to stop it!

Thank you for the previous advice, as well.
 

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Getting rid of it will help her to stop licking it which will stop the bleeding.  That's why I suggested the EPO.  I wouldn't spray anything on it as it will cause her more pain and discomfort.  The only other suggestion I have is to talk to your vet about a pain medication (hopefully not metacam) to ease some of the discomfort. 
 
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The problem is it has been several weeks and it is not clearing up. Like I mentioned, there it is not a massive hemorrhage, but it is still a constant seepage like a bloody nose. I am begging to worry about the amount of blood she is ingesting and losing. Is there really no thing  or method to close the soar or prevent her from licking at it?!
 

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I have to agree with stephanietx. Your vet would have the best advice. Do they know that it is now seeping blood and that is OK with them? :confused:
 

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I am so sorry your cat has that ulcer right under her nose. There is no way to stop her from licking it, especially where it is located which will make this a challenge to heal quickly. There is also nothing at all you can apply in that area to keep her from licking her lips. Anything that is applied to keep a pet from licking is not recommended for the lip area. That would be very upsetting to her and you could potentially cause a more serious issues - psychologically - and could cause her to go off of her food.

IF you are not getting good enough answers from your vet, then go to another. Rodent ulcers typically can take a long time to heal because of the location in the first place.

Ask your vet first about Colloidal Silver. It is amazing and really works great for so many skin, wound and sore issues. You could apply 500 ppm Colloidal Silver to the sore about 4 or 5 times a day. It is safe to ingest as well and can be used internally in the diluted form. Here is what some of us here have on hand:
Getting to the underlying cause of these ulcers needs to be addressed as well or they may keep recurring. So sorry your kitty is dealing with this painful ulcer. Hard on your too. :hugs: :hugs:

Mega vibes for your kitty's nose :vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes:
 
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Adding in something else I just thought of. VETERCYN http://vetericyn.com/benefits/feline.php Excellent for wound healing.

The only problem in applying any medication in that area is kitty will lick it off. Still ask your vet about Vetericyn too - great, great stuff and incredibly safe to use. Can even use in and around the eyes. I have the spray and the ophthalmic gel.
 
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Hi all, I have a Devon Rex torte female (14 years old) who developed a Rodent Ulcer 5 months ago encompassing her hole top lip, I took her to the vets as soon as i noticed it as obviously i was very concerned about it and my Devon (named Lilly) was quite distressed and quickly went off her food and more concerning she went off water, my vet put her straight onto a two week course of antibiotics which initially cleared it up but within a week of the antibiotics finishing it was back with vengeance, i took Lilly straight back to the vets who again put her onto a course of antibiotics and took two skin scrapes and a few days later took a biopsy when we got the results back the showed a food/flea allergy so she went straight onto HA Hypoallergenic Feline Formula and her flea treatment Advocate we new was up to date and on top of that we hadn't seen a flea or any sign of a flea in years, the Ulcer seemed to be stable for around 4 weeks then it started get even larger and started to bleed so our vet put her on a month course of Steroids(once a day) and another course of antibiotics (twice a day) for a month which had zero effect on the ulcer, one night towards to end of the Steroid treatment Lilly became very distressed so we rushed her to the vets at 3a.m and luckily the on-call vet was a skin specialist who knows the ins and outs of this condition he told us to finish the steroid treatment which we did when the treatment course was finished the specialist had Lilly referred to him, the specialist prescribed Lilly a course of Atopica to be taken orally for a month, last week Lilly was half way through the new drug when we woke on the Wednesday morning to find her covered in blood for the Ulcer, i rang the specialist straight away and Lily was in with him within 20 minutes, she was taken straight off Atopica and put onto Dexadreson which is another new drug and i have to say to results have been dramatic, the Ulcer has gone down by about 75% and she now has her appetite back and in the last 24hrs has even been playing and purring again, it is to soon to say weather the result is from the bleed or the drug or a combination of both but we are keeping our fingers crossed that is now under control, although this condition is distressing for Pet and owner alike there are treatments out there.

Paul
 
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