L-lysine = which virus? Corona??

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Is that a meta-analysis you're referencing? I guess if the NIH won't convince you, I can't. You can lead a horse to water, but....

It's 2020 folks! Do the work. Ask questions. Then listen, listen, listen. Love, Chairman Meow
The NIH page links to 4 studies on coronaviruses where lysine is mentioned, but 3 of them have nothing to do with using lysine supplementation to combat the virus. They are talking about the structure of the virus' proteins and how they might work. Lysine is an amino acid, one of 20 building blocks of proteins. Viruses and cells are made of proteins. These papers are mentioning specific lysine molecules in the structure of the virus or the host cells that have a specific function.

The other paper is a completely virtual simulation trying to design an inhibitor based on what we know of the coronavirus structure to hopefully narrow down the most likely candidates to be good antivirals. This field is very interesting but has a long way to go. They have no idea that the computer's picks will actually be effective in reality, and besides, lysine was not one of the picks. There were a few variations of peptides that include lysine as part of their structure, but again, lysine is a building block. A chemical reaction would have to bind lysine and the other amino acids together to make the molecule that the computer predicted would be helpful. This is not at all the same as L-lysine you can buy as a supplement.
 

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Yeah, I know and understand this is shady. Still, Im free to make my own assumptions. :)
How shady is it, though? Every pharmaceutical compound goes through tox trials which involve animals. The results are inferred to have significance for dosing in humans.
 
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The NIH page links to 4 studies on coronaviruses where lysine is mentioned, but 3 of them have nothing to do with using lysine supplementation to combat the virus. They are talking about the structure of the virus' proteins and how they might work. Lysine is an amino acid, one of 20 building blocks of proteins. Viruses and cells are made of proteins. These papers are mentioning specific lysine molecules in the structure of the virus or the host cells that have a specific function.

The other paper is a completely virtual simulation trying to design an inhibitor based on what we know of the coronavirus structure to hopefully narrow down the most likely candidates to be good antivirals. This field is very interesting but has a long way to go. They have no idea that the computer's picks will actually be effective in reality, and besides, lysine was not one of the picks. There were a few variations of peptides that include lysine as part of their structure, but again, lysine is a building block. A chemical reaction would have to bind lysine and the other amino acids together to make the molecule that the computer predicted would be helpful. This is not at all the same as L-lysine you can buy as a supplement.
What did you think about page one (the summary page) of that link? Why do you think the last paragraph of this review of the literature mentions all chronic degenerative disease as well as nervous system disorders? Could there potentially be a link to virus? Why might that be relevant here?

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ugghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Sorry, that doctor needs to take a refresher immunology course.

I'm repeating advice that I've heard from multiple doctors just today: the best way to help your immune system is the same tried and true advice we've always had: eat your fruits and vegetables, get plenty of sleep, and stay hydrated. If you have a normal immune system, it will work like it should when you supply it with everything it and the rest of your body needs, but there's no super food or magic herb that's going to give your immune system extra super powers. Make sure you're getting all your vitamins so you're not deficient in anything of course, but be careful of overusing supplements with lots of claims. For example, green tea extract (not green tea itself, but the concentrated extract) can cause liver damage.

I'm really not qualified to be dispensing medical advice so don't listen to me necessarily, but I've heard so many doctors say a version of the above today and it really frustrates me that that one doctor is saying differently. Especially because I do work in molecular biology and I know the lysine part is wrong.

Now, there could be something that ends up being a very effective antiviral for this virus. That would be wonderful. But if so, we have no idea what that is yet.
Lots of my friends in the Bay Area are following this regimen of supplements that includes lysine: zinc, b12, lemon balm, cat's claw, lysine, vitamin C, spirulina, Mullein leaf, and golden seal. I'm happy to share more details, but please be gentle and kind in tone and manner if you're interested in learning more. That makes sharing more joyful! Love from Chairman Meow's procurement specialist (me).
 
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