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I haven't done the meet and greets the last couple nights. I've had headaches, and last night, I crashed at 7:30pm. We'll get back to it this evening.

They are still doing the baby gates, though, so they come face-to-face in that way. That's been fine.
I hope you feel better soon. Just get well. The cats will be fine. Just take your time.

"They are still doing the baby gates, though, so they come face-to-face in that way. That's been fine." - That is great. Given that just get well and resume when you are feeling better.

Get well!!
 

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Wednesday night:
We just got done with dinner. I will say that it lasted about 10 minutes.

I brought Indy's bowl out first, so Duncan could sniff it, and then I released the beast.
They both ate immediately, occasionally stopped to look at each other...and then right back to eating. Indy started watching Duncan more and even started heading in that direction. Duncan let out a tiny cry, and I was able to distract Indy with the fishing pole toy. Duncan headed to the dining room and "hid" under the chair. That's where he stayed the rest of the time.

Indy did play with the toy in and area of the living room where Duncan could see him. He kept stopping to watch Duncan, but then I'd distract him again. Once I could tell he was started to eyeball Duncan more frequently, I pulled the plug. I picked up his bowl, which naturally, grabs Indy's attention, and I took it into the hallway. He followed, and I closed the door.

I just put Duncan's food bowl on the opposite side of the gate, and he immediately went to it. I'm not sure if he ate because he ate a good amount while in the living room.

This was a positive outing.
 

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Wednesday night:
We just got done with dinner. I will say that it lasted about 10 minutes.

I brought Indy's bowl out first, so Duncan could sniff it, and then I released the beast.
They both ate immediately, occasionally stopped to look at each other...and then right back to eating. Indy started watching Duncan more and even started heading in that direction. Duncan let out a tiny cry, and I was able to distract Indy with the fishing pole toy. Duncan headed to the dining room and "hid" under the chair. That's where he stayed the rest of the time.

Indy did play with the toy in and area of the living room where Duncan could see him. He kept stopping to watch Duncan, but then I'd distract him again. Once I could tell he was started to eyeball Duncan more frequently, I pulled the plug. I picked up his bowl, which naturally, grabs Indy's attention, and I took it into the hallway. He followed, and I closed the door.

I just put Duncan's food bowl on the opposite side of the gate, and he immediately went to it. I'm not sure if he ate because he ate a good amount while in the living room.

This was a positive outing.
I am hoping this is a good sign you are feeling better.

"Wednesday night: We just got done with dinner. I will say that it lasted about 10 minutes." - Great

"I brought Indy's bowl out first, so Duncan could sniff it, and then I released the beast." - Great.

"They both ate immediately, occasionally stopped to look at each other...and then right back to eating." - PERFECT!!!

Indy started watching Duncan more and even started heading in that direction. Duncan let out a tiny cry, and I was able to distract Indy with the fishing pole toy." - GREAT that you could distract Indy

"Duncan headed to the dining room and "hid" under the chair. That's where he stayed the rest of the time." - Ok.

Did Admiral bully Duncan or instigate the rough play?

"Indy did play with the toy in and area of the living room where Duncan could see him." - Perfect.

"He kept stopping to watch Duncan, but then I'd distract him again." - Great. The fact you can distract him is great. I have a feeling Indy is asking "why doesn't he like me?". :/

"Once I could tell he was started to eyeball Duncan more frequently, I pulled the plug. I picked up his bowl, which naturally, grabs Indy's attention, and I took it into the hallway. He followed, and I closed the door." - Great.

"I just put Duncan's food bowl on the opposite side of the gate, and he immediately went to it. I'm not sure if he ate because he ate a good amount while in the living room." - Great

"This was a positive outing." - I would totally agree, Indy is able to be distracted and isn't doing anything negative which is great and is building Duncan's confidence.

Rinse and repeat. Duncan is so close. We just need that final step.

Great job!!!

I hope I am correct in that you are feeling better.
 

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I am hoping this is a good sign you are feeling better.
Yes, thank you. I've started doing Intermittent Fasting, and I think that caused my headaches.


Did Admiral bully Duncan or instigate the rough play?
No. The only time they'd ever really get into a crazy, fur flying wrestling match was when Admiral was trying to be sweet and wash Duncan's head. Duncan would put up with it for a while, then he'd put a paw up to say "Enough...." Admiral wouldn't get the hint, and the next thing I knew, they'd be rolling around on the floor, screeching. They would easily be broken up, though.
Outside of that, they would wrestle as cats do, but it never got out of control. Admiral adored Duncan and wanted to be near him all the time.
 

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Yes, thank you. I've started doing Intermittent Fasting, and I think that caused my headaches.




No. The only time they'd ever really get into a crazy, fur flying wrestling match was when Admiral was trying to be sweet and wash Duncan's head. Duncan would put up with it for a while, then he'd put a paw up to say "Enough...." Admiral wouldn't get the hint, and the next thing I knew, they'd be rolling around on the floor, screeching. They would easily be broken up, though.
Outside of that, they would wrestle as cats do, but it never got out of control. Admiral adored Duncan and wanted to be near him all the time.
Good, I am so glad to hear that. Yes, fasting is good to get the toxins out but it can be hard on the body. :/ Stay safe

I have a girl that is like Duncan. Tolerates the grooming and then gets tired of it though.

Thanks for the background.
 

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Thursday night:

Duncan ate pretty quickly tonight, and then he stood for a long time watching Indy (who had his back turned to Duncan the entire time) eat.

Indy would look back at Duncan occasionally, but then he'd immediately turn back to his dish. Eventually, Duncan, who had walked several steps toward Indy, hissed at Indy, when he turned around.
He hissed at his several times, even though Indy did nothing to show he was going to cause trouble. I tossed a toy mouse out for Indy, who promptly chased it down (opposite direction of where Duncan was) and rolled around with it. I opened the hall door back up and tossed Indy's mouse in there. He chased it down and brought it back to me. I did that a couple more times, and then I closed the hallway door. He's currently crying behind it. :disappointed: Poor fella.

At one point, after hissing, Duncan ran out and stood under the dining room table. There was no reason to, but I guess he feels safer there?

A couple minutes after I put Indy back in the hallway, Duncan is sitting here on the arm of my recliner, happy as can be.
 

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Thursday night:

Duncan ate pretty quickly tonight, and then he stood for a long time watching Indy (who had his back turned to Duncan the entire time) eat.

Indy would look back at Duncan occasionally, but then he'd immediately turn back to his dish. Eventually, Duncan, who had walked several steps toward Indy, hissed at Indy, when he turned around.
He hissed at his several times, even though Indy did nothing to show he was going to cause trouble. I tossed a toy mouse out for Indy, who promptly chased it down (opposite direction of where Duncan was) and rolled around with it. I opened the hall door back up and tossed Indy's mouse in there. He chased it down and brought it back to me. I did that a couple more times, and then I closed the hallway door. He's currently crying behind it. :disappointed: Poor fella.

At one point, after hissing, Duncan ran out and stood under the dining room table. There was no reason to, but I guess he feels safer there?

A couple minutes after I put Indy back in the hallway, Duncan is sitting here on the arm of my recliner, happy as can be.
"Thursday night: Duncan ate pretty quickly tonight, and then he stood for a long time watching Indy (who had his back turned to Duncan the entire time) eat." - Great

"Indy would look back at Duncan occasionally, but then he'd immediately turn back to his dish." - Perfect!!

"Eventually, Duncan, who had walked several steps toward Indy, hissed at Indy, when he turned around." - Duncan wants to sniff him it seems but is just still a bit afraid.

"He hissed at his several times, even though Indy did nothing to show he was going to cause trouble." - GREAT that Indy did not show aggression, etc

"I tossed a toy mouse out for Indy, who promptly chased it down (opposite direction of where Duncan was) and rolled around with it. I opened the hall door back up and tossed Indy's mouse in there. He chased it down and brought it back to me." - PERFECT!!! Indy has no desire to start trouble choosing a toy over Duncan. This helps Duncan build trust.

"I did that a couple more times, and then I closed the hallway door. He's currently crying behind it. :disappointed: Poor fella." - Yeah, but he will be fine. Just short term disappointment.

"At one point, after hissing, Duncan ran out and stood under the dining room table. There was no reason to, but I guess he feels safer there?" - Yes, he must feel more confident there which is not uncommon. Cats will go under things. I like to try to get them to go high but not all do.

"A couple minutes after I put Indy back in the hallway, Duncan is sitting here on the arm of my recliner, happy as can be." - That is great. Of course, nothing negative happened so nothing to rebound from BUT it is still positive.

Do you know Duncan's background? Was he very little when he went to the place to got him?

Overall, I would say that was a near perfect session. Duncan will trust. He is so close. We just need to get that final breakthrough. Just keep doing what you are doing. You are doing great.
 

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"At one point, after hissing, Duncan ran out and stood under the dining room table. There was no reason to, but I guess he feels safer there?" - Yes, he must feel more confident there which is not uncommon. Cats will go under things. I like to try to get them to go high but not all do.
I'm actually really shocked that he doesn't climb up on his cat trees, since those are his. Indy has shown absolutely no interest in them, even when I've tried placing him on one. He hops down immediately.


Do you know Duncan's background? Was he very little when he went to the place to got him?
No. He started off in a foster home, and I got him at 6 months old. I've had him ever since, and he's now 12.
 

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I'm actually really shocked that he doesn't climb up on his cat trees, since those are his. Indy has shown absolutely no interest in them, even when I've tried placing him on one. He hops down immediately.




No. He started off in a foster home, and I got him at 6 months old. I've had him ever since, and he's now 12.
"I'm actually really shocked that he doesn't climb up on his cat trees, since those are his." - Interesting. In general I am not surprised. He does use them usually, though, correct?

"Indy has shown absolutely no interest in them, even when I've tried placing him on one. He hops down immediately." - Interesting. Maybe because of Duncan's scent?

"No. He started off in a foster home, and I got him at 6 months old. I've had him ever since, and he's now 12." - Ok. I am so glad he has had such a great life. He is one of the lucky cats!!
 

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Friday night:

Well, that didn't last long at all. When I brought Indy in the room, Duncan was eating with his back fully to the door. Indy immediately marched over, full speed ahead, and Duncan turned around and hissed. Indy stopped, and I steered him back to his bowl. Duncan continued eating with his back to Indy.

Indy started to come over again, so I tossed one of his rattle balls into the hallway. While he chased that down, Duncan moved closer to the dining room.

Indy went back to his bowl, and then he got interested in Duncan again. He couldn't see him, but he was curious enough to go looking. He started to head that way, and Duncan trotted under the table. I had the other rattle ball in my hand, so I tossed it. Indy chased it down. Duncan couldn't see this from where he was sitting.

Indy went back to eating, but he was so distracted that I just called it a night. I tossed his ball into the hallway, he chased it, and I closed the door.

Just now, I called for Duncan, and he came trotting right over and hopped on the arm of the recliner. He's perfectly fine.
 

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Hi everyone, new here! My fiancé and I recently moved to Washington state with her cat, Monty. Monty previously lived with one other cat that was a family pet and we decided to get another cat when we moved here to keep her company. To describe Monty, she is a 9 year old calico and my fiancé has had her for 4 years. She is very shy and easily startled. She likes hiding in cabinets and closed confined spaces and spends most of her day sleeping. She likes to be pet often. However, she does not like to play at all with humans and only occasionally plays by herself. She also is quite particular about where she sleeps and can be a picky eater. Now to introduce our new cat, Maze. Maze is a 6 month old black cat. She is full of energy and is extremely playful. Loves climbing, jumping, and also loves being pet. It has been two days since we got her and she is still settling in. We have had some occasional excessive meowing but I assume it is because she is still anxious about the move? We have formed a plan for the introduction and plan on giving it some more time, but needless to say the two cats are not getting along quite yet. We put Maze in the bathroom and have established our office as her play area. When sleeping we return her to the bathroom and when we leave, we also return her to the bathroom. The first day we decided to bring them to the door and tried to limit physical vision of each other as much as possible. Unfortunately (but expected) Monty hissed from under the door and at Maze through the crack. We let them sit at the door for awhile before decided to end the ‘session’. On day 2 we kept them away from each other all day while spending time with them separately. While Maze was locked up in the bathroom, Monty decided to wander into the office and shortly came out after. We decided to have them eat on opposite sides of the door this evening and it did not go well. Monty loves to eat and wouldnt eat her food until we moved it further back from the door. She ended up eating most of her food and Maze was just chowing down. Monty hissed a few times at her from the other side of the door. However, Maze wanted to play with a toy on the other side and she stuck her paw under the door which Monty subsequently lunged, swatted , and hissed at her paw. Now that everyone is up to date on this- I wanted to ask for advice going forward. (Also apologize for the long post). We were planning on maybe buying a dog gate and adding a visual factor by Tuesday. Thoughts and criticisms?? Thanks everyone!!
i had kittens and its been a year we kept one kitten mr.nightmare (tuxedo cat) and faith (siamese also mr.nightmares mom) and they would go at it and i looked up what might be happening and it told me that its teritorial so i just let them around each other and faith is the one who kept going at it and i also thought maybe its because in breeding and its stopped and i havent seen them fight at all i would probably just let them go t it and if it gets any worse maybe you have to get ride of a cat i know that will be hard but it might have to come to that :[
 

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Friday night:

Well, that didn't last long at all. When I brought Indy in the room, Duncan was eating with his back fully to the door. Indy immediately marched over, full speed ahead, and Duncan turned around and hissed. Indy stopped, and I steered him back to his bowl. Duncan continued eating with his back to Indy.

Indy started to come over again, so I tossed one of his rattle balls into the hallway. While he chased that down, Duncan moved closer to the dining room.

Indy went back to his bowl, and then he got interested in Duncan again. He couldn't see him, but he was curious enough to go looking. He started to head that way, and Duncan trotted under the table. I had the other rattle ball in my hand, so I tossed it. Indy chased it down. Duncan couldn't see this from where he was sitting.

Indy went back to eating, but he was so distracted that I just called it a night. I tossed his ball into the hallway, he chased it, and I closed the door.

Just now, I called for Duncan, and he came trotting right over and hopped on the arm of the recliner. He's perfectly fine.
"Friday night: Well, that didn't last long at all. " - Ok

"When I brought Indy in the room, Duncan was eating with his back fully to the door. Indy immediately marched over, full speed ahead, and Duncan turned around and hissed. Indy stopped, and I steered him back to his bowl. Duncan continued eating with his back to Indy." - This is actually really positive. Duncan turned, hissed, Indy respected, and then the great news. Duncan continued eating with his back to Indy!!! If Duncan was really fearful or didn't trust Indy there is now ay that would happen.

"Indy started to come over again, so I tossed one of his rattle balls into the hallway. While he chased that down, Duncan moved closer to the dining room." - Great that Indy was distracted easily. Duncan went to his go to place which is fine. No negativity is a positive.

"Indy went back to his bowl, and then he got interested in Duncan again. He couldn't see him, but he was curious enough to go looking." - As cats will.

"He started to head that way, and Duncan trotted under the table. I had the other rattle ball in my hand, so I tossed it. Indy chased it down. Duncan couldn't see this from where he was sitting." - Again, great that Indy was distracted.

"Indy went back to eating, but he was so distracted that I just called it a night. I tossed his ball into the hallway, he chased it, and I closed the door." - Ok, that is fine.

"Just now, I called for Duncan, and he came trotting right over and hopped on the arm of the recliner. He's perfectly fine." - That is great. Couldn't have been that bad.

I'd like to get a way to have Indy near Duncan but distracted in a way or have Duncan reassured with Indy around. But of course safely.

Indy has no bad intent and Duncan doesn't really seem to fear him. Indy wants to be friends but Duncan is just not there yet. I would like to find a balance where Indy can satisfy his interest while Duncan feels safe and secure. Let's think about it. In the meantime, continue what you are doing.

Overall, I say this was actually very positive. The fact Duncan turned right back to his food and ate with his back to Indy AND Indy didn't do anything negative is a really big positive. There is no way this would happen if there wasn't substantial trust.
 

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Saturday night:
The theme of this evening is - growling and hissing.

Here we go again - the dinner portion of the evening went well. They both ate right away.
After eating, Duncan moved into the dark entryway. From that point on, with every teeny tiny move Indy made, Duncan hissed and growled...CONSTANTLY.

I would distract Indy, but eventually, they'd end up in close proximity again, and the hysterics would re-start. Eventually, I picked Duncan up and sat with him on the recliner. Indy came around and then jumped on the coffee table. He'd sit there watching Duncan, who was...you guessed it - hissing...growling. :fireblob:

I decided to put Duncan up on his cat tree, his happy place. I knew he'd stay up there, and Indy doesn't have any interest in climbing it. Duncan sat there watching Indy make his way around in the sun room and dining room...Growling and hissing.
At one point, Indy walked up to the cat tree, plopped his little bottom down, and he just stared up at Duncan. By now, I'd had enough. I tossed Indy's ball into the hallway, he chased it down, and I closed the door.

As soon as he was in there, Duncan hopped down from the tree and raced over to me.

I just don't know what to do at this point. It's been 10 1/2 weeks, probably 4 or 5 weeks since I started the LR feedings, and the drama isn't slowing. Plus, Indy, even though we all think he wants to be friends, he also seems to want to be aggressive (wrestling, that sort of thing) with Duncan. He's doing this whole biting/attacking my arms and legs thing with me every time I move an inch, so I can only imagine what he wants to do to Duncan.

Honestly, I don't know how much longer I can let this go on.
 

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Saturday night:
The theme of this evening is - growling and hissing.

Here we go again - the dinner portion of the evening went well. They both ate right away.
After eating, Duncan moved into the dark entryway. From that point on, with every teeny tiny move Indy made, Duncan hissed and growled...CONSTANTLY.

I would distract Indy, but eventually, they'd end up in close proximity again, and the hysterics would re-start. Eventually, I picked Duncan up and sat with him on the recliner. Indy came around and then jumped on the coffee table. He'd sit there watching Duncan, who was...you guessed it - hissing...growling. :fireblob:

I decided to put Duncan up on his cat tree, his happy place. I knew he'd stay up there, and Indy doesn't have any interest in climbing it. Duncan sat there watching Indy make his way around in the sun room and dining room...Growling and hissing.
At one point, Indy walked up to the cat tree, plopped his little bottom down, and he just stared up at Duncan. By now, I'd had enough. I tossed Indy's ball into the hallway, he chased it down, and I closed the door.

As soon as he was in there, Duncan hopped down from the tree and raced over to me.

I just don't know what to do at this point. It's been 10 1/2 weeks, probably 4 or 5 weeks since I started the LR feedings, and the drama isn't slowing. Plus, Indy, even though we all think he wants to be friends, he also seems to want to be aggressive (wrestling, that sort of thing) with Duncan. He's doing this whole biting/attacking my arms and legs thing with me every time I move an inch, so I can only imagine what he wants to do to Duncan.

Honestly, I don't know how much longer I can let this go on.
"Saturday night: The theme of this evening is - growling and hissing." - Ok

"Here we go again - the dinner portion of the evening went well." - Great

"They both ate right away." - Perfect.

"After eating, Duncan moved into the dark entryway." - Ok

"From that point on, with every teeny tiny move Indy made, Duncan hissed and growled...CONSTANTLY." - Ok, but no attacks? I am thinking we need to try to get Duncan out and about more rather than retreating into "corners" etc.

"I would distract Indy" - Great

" but eventually, they'd end up in close proximity again" - Yep, Indy wants to be friends.

" and the hysterics would re-start." - No fighting though, correct?

"Eventually, I picked Duncan up and sat with him on the recliner. Indy came around and then jumped on the coffee table. He'd sit there watching Duncan, who was...you guessed it - hissing...growling. :fireblob: " - Ok, but nothing actually negative? I have to read on but this is really good if no fighting.

"I decided to put Duncan up on his cat tree, his happy place. I knew he'd stay up there, and Indy doesn't have any interest in climbing it. Duncan sat there watching Indy make his way around in the sun room and dining room...Growling and hissing." - Ok

"At one point, Indy walked up to the cat tree, plopped his little bottom down, and he just stared up at Duncan." - That is great.

" By now, I'd had enough. I tossed Indy's ball into the hallway, he chased it down, and I closed the door." - Ok, Indy did well. Didn't attack, was able to be distracted.

"As soon as he was in there, Duncan hopped down from the tree and raced over to me." - Was he normal? Scared? Etc?

"I just don't know what to do at this point. It's been 10 1/2 weeks, probably 4 or 5 weeks since I started the LR feedings, and the drama isn't slowing." - I disagree, the drama is mostly gone. We "just" have hissing BUT we have respect which is a big deal.

"Plus, Indy, even though we all think he wants to be friends, he also seems to want to be aggressive (wrestling, that sort of thing) with Duncan." - I am convinced Indy wants to be friends and the fact Duncan turns his back, doesn't attack, etc reinforces that view in my opinion. There is no way the cats would be where they are if there were problems. They would be fighting like crazy at this point. :/

"He's doing this whole biting/attacking my arms and legs thing with me every time I move an inch, so I can only imagine what he wants to do to Duncan." - Hmmmmm. Is he wanting to play? Seems like h has a lot of energy that he wants to burn off looking to Duncan but not getting it. But this is the first I have heard of this. What do you think?

"Honestly, I don't know how much longer I can let this go on" - I appreciate your honestly. I think you are one breakthrough away. Like 98% intro'd. I personally think they are going to be fine and probably pretty soon as I am not seeing anything worrying. Let me know your thoughts. I would like to do the same thing, try to distract Duncan more (being with him rather than focusing on Indy) using you as a confidence builder. Also, try to build Duncan's confidence through play in the LR. Finally, there would be one last thing I would do before making that decision which I will talk about later.

I just think you are so close. The fact there are big positive signs and really no attacks is really good. Duncan just needs to get over that last hump and I think we can do it.

Let me know. Hang in there.
 

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"Saturday night: The theme of this evening is - growling and hissing." - Ok

"Here we go again - the dinner portion of the evening went well." - Great

"They both ate right away." - Perfect.

"After eating, Duncan moved into the dark entryway." - Ok

"From that point on, with every teeny tiny move Indy made, Duncan hissed and growled...CONSTANTLY." - Ok, but no attacks? I am thinking we need to try to get Duncan out and about more rather than retreating into "corners" etc.

"I would distract Indy" - Great

" but eventually, they'd end up in close proximity again" - Yep, Indy wants to be friends.

" and the hysterics would re-start." - No fighting though, correct?

"Eventually, I picked Duncan up and sat with him on the recliner. Indy came around and then jumped on the coffee table. He'd sit there watching Duncan, who was...you guessed it - hissing...growling. :fireblob: " - Ok, but nothing actually negative? I have to read on but this is really good if no fighting.
No - no fights broke out, but the constant hissing and growling. I mean, c'mon already.



"As soon as he was in there, Duncan hopped down from the tree and raced over to me." - Was he normal? Scared? Etc?
No, he was totally normal, as if he was happy he had his space back.




"He's doing this whole biting/attacking my arms and legs thing with me every time I move an inch, so I can only imagine what he wants to do to Duncan." - Hmmmmm. Is he wanting to play? Seems like h has a lot of energy that he wants to burn off looking to Duncan but not getting it. But this is the first I have heard of this. What do you think?
He probably does have a lot of energy to burn off. But this cat plays all day long, and then I'll go in and play for 20 or 30 minutes, and it's as if I'd only been in there for 5. I can't devote my entire day to playing, so I don't know what else to do to burn some of that off.
His toy box is available to him 24/7, and he's always rolling around, chasing, and pouncing on the toys.


"Honestly, I don't know how much longer I can let this go on" - I appreciate your honestly. I think you are one breakthrough away. Like 98% intro'd. I personally think they are going to be fine and probably pretty soon as I am not seeing anything worrying. Let me know your thoughts. I would like to do the same thing, try to distract Duncan more (being with him rather than focusing on Indy) using you as a confidence builder. Also, try to build Duncan's confidence through play in the LR. Finally, there would be one last thing I would do before making that decision which I will talk about later.
I thought that's what I was doing the last 2 or 3 nights. When they're in the LR, I'm sitting near Duncan, petting him, talking to him, etc. Last night, I picked him up and held him.


I just think you are so close. The fact there are big positive signs and really no attacks is really good. Duncan just needs to get over that last hump and I think we can do it.
I forgot to mention that, at some point yesterday, I was in the 1/2 bath, and the cats were on both side of the gates. Duncan just about lost his mind for some reason. He was all out screeching, not just hissing or growling. I have no idea what happened. I called him, and he came trotting right over. My guess would be that he was standing by the gate and Indy pounced at it or something, setting Duncan off.
 

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No - no fights broke out, but the constant hissing and growling. I mean, c'mon already.





No, he was totally normal, as if he was happy he had his space back.






He probably does have a lot of energy to burn off. But this cat plays all day long, and then I'll go in and play for 20 or 30 minutes, and it's as if I'd only been in there for 5. I can't devote my entire day to playing, so I don't know what else to do to burn some of that off.
His toy box is available to him 24/7, and he's always rolling around, chasing, and pouncing on the toys.




I thought that's what I was doing the last 2 or 3 nights. When they're in the LR, I'm sitting near Duncan, petting him, talking to him, etc. Last night, I picked him up and held him.




I forgot to mention that, at some point yesterday, I was in the 1/2 bath, and the cats were on both side of the gates. Duncan just about lost his mind for some reason. He was all out screeching, not just hissing or growling. I have no idea what happened. I called him, and he came trotting right over. My guess would be that he was standing by the gate and Indy pounced at it or something, setting Duncan off.
"No - no fights broke out" - Great

" but the constant hissing and growling. I mean, c'mon already." - I hear you. Duncan thinks Indy may try something. Not sure where that is coming from since it is pretty unlikely. How does your stress level change during intros? Cats take on our emotions so do you feel more stressed/tense after they eat? I asked you earlier about Admiral but it doesn't seem like that. Was Duncan ever with any other cats?

"No, he was totally normal, as if he was happy he had his space back." - Great. This is what is so inconsistent. If there were issues he would not be like this. I just don't think the hissing is as serious as it may seem (though in person I know it FEELS like it).

Did the other cat before Indy attack Duncan? And if so, did Duncan act differently for a while after it?

"He probably does have a lot of energy to burn off. But this cat plays all day long, and then I'll go in and play for 20 or 30 minutes, and it's as if I'd only been in there for 5. I can't devote my entire day to playing, so I don't know what else to do to burn some of that off.
His toy box is available to him 24/7, and he's always rolling around, chasing, and pouncing on the toys." - Yep, typical kitten. It is hard to burn it off. We may need to try to get other people's opinions. I get a sense Indy wants to play with Duncan so badly. :/

"I thought that's what I was doing the last 2 or 3 nights. When they're in the LR, I'm sitting near Duncan, petting him, talking to him, etc. Last night, I picked him up and held him." - Ok, great. Does he take his eyes off Indy at all? Can you get him to look away from Indy?

"I forgot to mention that, at some point yesterday, I was in the 1/2 bath, and the cats were on both side of the gates. Duncan just about lost his mind for some reason. He was all out screeching, not just hissing or growling. I have no idea what happened. I called him, and he came trotting right over. My guess would be that he was standing by the gate and Indy pounced at it or something, setting Duncan off." - Hmmmmmmm. How did they each act after? How they act after is really the "tell". And how was the body language? Big tail? Eyes dilated? Etc?
 

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" but the constant hissing and growling. I mean, c'mon already." - I hear you. Duncan thinks Indy may try something. Not sure where that is coming from since it is pretty unlikely. How does your stress level change during intros? Cats take on our emotions so do you feel more stressed/tense after they eat? I asked you earlier about Admiral but it doesn't seem like that. Was Duncan ever with any other cats?
I wouldn't say that my stress level amps up at all. And Duncan was with other kitties, I'm sure, before I got him. He was in a foster home. But again, I got him at 6 months old, and he's 12 now.


Did the other cat before Indy attack Duncan? And if so, did Duncan act differently for a while after it?
Yes - that other cat did attack Duncan, twice. The worst was when she launched herself off the top of the cat tree and chased him down. He hid under that bed most of the day after that. I had her 5 weeks before I pulled the plug. The main reason, aside from her attacks on Duncan, was that she just wasn't getting comfortable with me. I'd have Duncan locked up in the bedroom for 8+ hours a day, trying to let Gracie out in the house to get comfortable. Instead, she would hide under the couch the entire time. This was still going on at 5 weeks.



"I thought that's what I was doing the last 2 or 3 nights. When they're in the LR, I'm sitting near Duncan, petting him, talking to him, etc. Last night, I picked him up and held him." - Ok, great. Does he take his eyes off Indy at all? Can you get him to look away from Indy?
No, I think he was eyeballing Indy the entire time.



"I forgot to mention that, at some point yesterday, I was in the 1/2 bath, and the cats were on both side of the gates. Duncan just about lost his mind for some reason. He was all out screeching, not just hissing or growling. I have no idea what happened. I called him, and he came trotting right over. My guess would be that he was standing by the gate and Indy pounced at it or something, setting Duncan off." - Hmmmmmmm. How did they each act after? How they act after is really the "tell". And how was the body language? Big tail? Eyes dilated? Etc?
Duncan was fine when he came running over to me. Nothing about him said he was upset, or still upset at that point. I didn't see Indy right after, but from what I've seen before, nothing really rattles him. I would think this would be the same.
 
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