How will a blue point ragdoll and a white domestic shorthair's kittens look like??

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Many white cats have odd eyes. She was probably deaf on the blue-eyed side.
she carries All white gene, white spot gene, and tabby gene...
Well, she wouldn't carry tabby, as it's dominant; she IS tabby, under the white. But about the white spotting, I was thinking that too. I didn't know it was possible to have both dominant white and white spotting! Cool.
 
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Thanks for your replies. ;)
Bella is definitely not deaf, but yes maybe someone else in the litter was deaf.
 

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Does she have blue eyes? It's the combo of blue eyes and solid white that can make them deaf. Not all, but about 85%. If they have one blue eye, they're usually deaf in that ear but not both. It has something to do with the lack of pigmentation in the inner ear.
 

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We did not get her from our area, and the people we got her from did not know Bella's mum's parents.
I agree, it's unlikely, but Bella's mum had two different coloured eyes. blue and yellow. This is quite a distinct feature.
But thank you.
Odd eyes in cats (different colored eyes) are simply a consequence of white markings. Odd eyes can occur in cats with white spotting, or cats that are dominant white. This has nothing to do with breed ancestry, so it doesn't indicate that a cat is related to the Khao Manee or any other specific breed.
 
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Does she have blue eyes? It's the combo of blue eyes and solid white that can make them deaf. Not all, but about 85%. If they have one blue eye, they're usually deaf in that ear but not both. It has something to do with the lack of pigmentation in the inner ear.
Both eyes are yellow. 🙂 :bigeyes:
 
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Odd eyes in cats (different colored eyes) are simply a consequence of white markings. Odd eyes can occur in cats with white spotting, or cats that are dominant white. This has nothing to do with breed ancestry, so it doesn't indicate that a cat is related to the Khao Manee or any other specific breed.
Yes, I agree but it was also the build of the face. Of course, I agree, Bella is likely to have nothing to do with a Khao Manee or Russian White.
 

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Is the father a registered ragdoll? Only asking because most breeders would not breed their purebred to a nonpurebred cat so it is possible the male could just be a domestic longhair with color point coloring. That would change how you could advertise them for sale and some of their personality traits.

White cats can have a masked or unseen color/pattern, so thats why she can be passing the tuxedo coloring. Some white kittens are born with spots that go away, that would be the actual color that cat will breed as an adult. Many white kittens are born with black spots or grey spots that fade away in a few months.

The only way the kittens will be color pointed is if both carry the gene. I do hope this is her last litter as 4 litters is good and please make sure all owners of the kittens do spay/neuter by 6 months old :) Maybe in the future, if you enjoy breeding look to get a few purebred papered cats to breed who have had genetic testing done?
 

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Well, there is some harm, because they take homes away from cats in shelters :/. If everybody let their cat have 4 litters (or even 1) we'd be up to our ears in kittens. And after 4 litters, the female should be spayed as she may come to harm if left intact too long.

What colors/patterns have her previous litters had? And what did their fathers look like?


This is a two way street- if you want "everybody" to get their kitten/cat spayed or neutered, then you need to make it more affordable for most folks. Although this issue does not obviously apply to this situation it is still an problem. Ten years back one of the local clinics participated in nickle neutering (yep, a nickle). I haven't seen it since. Even the 29.99 offered from the Humane Society is too much for those who are on a fixed income or struggling with crappy income. It is going to be that only the well off are going to be able to afford a cat.

As far as color/patterns did her previous litters have or what did their fathers look like- How would I know?
 

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As far as color/patterns did her previous litters have or what did their fathers look like- How would I know?
Oh sorry, I meant that for the OP. I should have clarified.
Even the 29.99 offered from the Humane Society is too much for those who are on a fixed income or struggling with crappy income.
I'm sorry to say that if someone can't scrape up $29.99 for a one-time surgery (not monthly, not even yearly; once in a lifetime), they may not be in a position to keep a pet. I'm not saying they don't deserve to have a pet, just that if money is that scarce they may need to spend it on human food/rent/etc. and not a pet. They would also spend FAR more than that raising kittens, so hopefully anyone who's in that tight of a situation is very very good at keeping their female cat indoors.
 

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A pure white cat can potentially be anything. It can be a chocolate cat, a lilac cat, a normal tabby, a silver tabby, or even another blue-point (though that would be very unlikely and probably impossible as the white cat doesn't have blue eyes).

You may get more all-whites (that can also be anything) and any all-white ones may or may not be deaf.

My last rescue was part ragdoll and she had the sweetest personality. She was probably a quarter or less. If you got some without the long hair, but with the ragdoll personality, that would be something.
 
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Bella as had all her kittens - all went well.
You were all right!
3 are white with small grey spots on their head (they will most likely go away, as Bella as a kitten also had grey spots that went.)
1 is black and white, like a tuxedo.
1 is grey/blue! (Looks like a Russian blue but of course it’s not)
Bella has never had any blue kittens before.
When they open their eyes we’ll see the colour...
As someone mentioned, they may not inherit the patterning but may inherit the personality.
Thank for your help. 🙂🙂
 
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Blue point.
I will upload a photo a bit later when Bella is a bit more relaxed 🙂
 

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1 is grey/blue! (Looks like a Russian blue but of course it’s not)
Bella has never had any blue kittens before.
Well, she wouldn't, because blue is not only a little rarer than black (I think anyway) but it's also recessive. If none of the tomcats carried it you would have no chance to see it, and if one of the fathers did have it, you would only have a 1/4 chance (per kitten) to see it, further reduced to 1/8 by the fact that she's giving half her babies a white cloak so that you can't see what colour they actually are. So it's theoretically possible she did have blue babies before... blue under the dominant white that is.

Dominant white is like a cloak that covers up a cat with other normal colours. (The cat could theoretically be white under the white cloak but that is very unlikely.)

The advantage of having bred this white cat so much is that you now know exactly what she is. When a white cat has babies, the babies allow you to peek under the white cloak.

Bella is, in all likelihood, a black and white tuxedo cat herself. (The tabbies you got before were almost certainly a result of the males she bred with.) She carries blue, but you wouldn't see it even if you removed her white cloak, because it is not a dominant gene. If she was a tabby herself, half her babies would be.

All her babies carry colourpoint and if you took a female and bred it back to the ragdoll male, half of those would be colourpoint. (Don't, though, because their inbreeding would be very high and they could potentially inherit serious genetic conditions.) If you took the black and white tuxedo kitten and did this, you would have the greatest variety. You could potentially get seal points with or without white markings, blue points with or without white markings, blues, blue tuxedos, blacks, and black tuxedos. One litter of kittens would generally not be big enough to see all the possibilities (8). If you took the solid blue kitten and did this, you would see blue colourpoint and blue (2).

Which ones are longhair?
 
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I think none of them are longhaired, but I will triple check in the evening again. 🙂
 

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Bella is, in all likelihood, a black and white tuxedo cat herself. (The tabbies you got before were almost certainly a result of the males she bred with.)
Not possible, because her previous mates were solid black, and she had tabby kittens. And 2 solids can't make a tabby. So she must be brown tabby and white underneath the solid white. But it must not be high white spotting or she wouldn't have a solid blue kitten.

Since it's her only litter with a pointed cat, no way to say for sure, but she probably doesn't carry the pointed gene. Unless one of the white ones is pointed, but that seems unlikely if they have spots showing already.

It can be hard to tell if newborns are longhaired, especially a more medium-haired cat like a Ragdoll.
 

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I think none of them are longhaired,
Good.

I owned a longhair, and the amount of care required was a little ridiculous. I'm known as the cat person among my friends, and one of my friends had a longhair cat who was covered in mats. He came to me for help and the blasted thing was not receptive to any sort of brushing at all. I ended up having to catch it, scruff it, and shave it with his hair trimmer. There was probably two pounds of hair on that cat. The poor thing couldn't even go to the bathroom by the time he came to me.

This actually expands the possibilities of a theoretical litter backbred to the male (again, don't, I'm just illustrating) to 16, from the black and white tuxedo kitten, because they all carry longhair, and any of the 8 varieties you could get could be longhair, or shorthair.

I really don't know why people like longhair cats, but I do know why ragdolls are popular. I think you should consider keeping a kitten just for the great personality. It's widely known as one of the most affectionate breeds, and it's #1 for most holdable. My personal pick would be the pure blue one, especially if it's female. My second choice would be a female white one that isn't deaf. (Even if you don't end up spaying her, which would probably be the best option, you definitely don't want back-to-back litters, because that can hurt the queen. Cats can die from this.)

If people buy any longhair kittens from you, you have to really, really impress upon them, yes, it's cute and floofy, BUT YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY BRUSH THIS CAT. My personal recommendation is that you buy brushes and just hike the price of the kitten by that much. People will pay it. Then have the kitten come with the brush. They might even like it if they're introduced to it early.

Not possible, because her previous mates were solid black, and she had tabby kittens. And 2 solids can't make a tabby. So she must be brown tabby and white underneath the solid white. But it must not be high white spotting or she wouldn't have a solid blue kitten.

Since it's her only litter with a pointed cat, no way to say for sure, but she probably doesn't carry the pointed gene. Unless one of the white ones is pointed, but that seems unlikely if they have spots showing already.

It can be hard to tell if newborns are longhaired, especially a more medium-haired cat like a Ragdoll.
Then she's tabby and it's just luck of the draw that she didn't make tabbies again (well, she probably did, but they received white cloaks to cover it up). She carries solid, though she's not solid herself.

Won't the white ones at least hint at whether Bella is colourpoint since the cloak doesn't cover the eyes? (The white could also be making the eyes blue so I suppose that complicates things.)
 

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Ragdolls have a somewhat different kind of long fur; it's very fine and not inclined to mat. Very different from a Persian's fur.

Personality in purebred cats isn't as predictable as it is in dogs. My mom has a purebred Ragdoll who doesn't like to cuddle, fights with the other cats, and kicks if you pick her up. They might be trying for the theoretical goes-limp-like-a-ragdoll type but it's not an exact science.
 
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