i hope im putting this in the right place. Im new to this site and not very good with technology. Lol. Im looking for advice on grapefruit seed ext. for cats with giardia. If anyone can help me i would really appreciate it.
I have been to 2 different vets. They have been on metronidazole several times for extented amounts of time. Also have been on different antibiotics and another med, i cannot remember the name at the moment. They have had this for a long time. I am asking about grapefruit seed ext. Not grape.Hi. Never heard of it being used for giardia. I would worry about toxicity in cats since grapes are toxic. If your cat has giardia, go to the vet and get an Rx from them. Probably metronidazole. Don’t wait on this.
So, the 1 vet said it must be a "super bug" but gave no other option for a cure. We wash food and water bowls with 1:10 bleach every day. The cats that have it are separate from the others and the dogs. We got it from the local humane society with a spay/neuter batch we had done there. The litter pans are dumped and washed with bleach every day also. It is not reinfection. We have been on top of this since it started. I have been trying to research as much as possible. The grapefruit seed extract says it kills over 600 different parasites. There is a diffence between the fruit and the seed ext. The only problem is i cannot find a set doseage. A few drops could mean anything. Im hoping to find someone with knowledge on the use of the extract.The in vitro antimicrobial activity attributed to GSE is actually likely from a preservative found in the commercial products. There also haven't been studies on (the preservative's) efficacy against protozoans like giardia; most of the research has been on bacteria. What has your sanitation protocol been? Giardia contamination is difficult to get rid of, so if your cats keep testing positive it's probably due to re-exposure rather than the metronidazole not working.
Grapefruit and the seed extract are 2 completely different things.Grapefruit Poisoning in Cats - Symptoms, Causes, Diagnosis, Treatment, Recovery, Management, Cost
Grapefruit Seeds Extract Dosage
You are going to find plenty of internet sites which say it is okay to use grapefruit seed extract for cats. Some of the information is quite fast and loose with how much was used and in what form. The grapefruit poisoning would be enough to make me not use it.
They have been tested several times at $200. a pop. Im not a new cat mom. We have many rescues. I have tried the pharm route. It has not worked. Do you have another suggestion for a treatment? We have been dealing with this for 2 years. The meds have had more than their chance to work. They have not. Thats why im looking for an alternative.The embedded link in my post regards grapefruit seed extract. How would you be using it? The claimed effects seem to be as a surface or at most oral disinfectant, not something administered to patients (at least from the literature -- see this paper that mentions there have been no trials demonstrating efficacy or safety; it also reports toxicity to human cells and rats). I wouldn't spend money on treatments with no supportive clinical research (GSE is relatively cheap; if it was super effective pharma companies would have capitalized on it long ago), especially if there's the potential for harm.
Have the cats been diagnosed with giardia each time, or was the vet just basing diagnosis on symptoms after the first positive test?
There is a thread in this site about how great grapefuit seed extract is for giardia. Someone named "hissy" but it was vague on doseage to use. Thays why i started asking about it here.They have been tested several times at $200. a pop. Im not a new cat mom. We have many rescues. I have tried the pharm route. It has not worked. Do you have another suggestion for a treatment? We have been dealing with this for 2 years. The meds have had more than their chance to work. They have not. Thats why im looking for an alternative.
The tests were sent out to be analized. They also did in house testing. They have had severe diahria for over 2 years. Since this has been going on for so long i unfortunately do not remember all of the amounts. I do know they had 2 weeks on 1 wk off. Then 3 wks on and 1 off. They were on fenbendazol + metronidazole also antibiotic. We have repeated this process many, many times. As i said before they are separated from the others. They have no contact with anyone but my husband and myself. 2 years of constant diahria mess with 12 cats is a lot to deal with every day. This is why im looking for an alternative. Vets only suggest the metron +fenben....every time. Not working! I have tried this way too many times.Maybe I missed it. How were they diagnosed with giardia? Was a fecal direct smear done in house at the vets, or did they use a giardia cite test? Do you know? Are they currently having symptoms? If they have had rounds of metronidazole, do you remember for how long, and the dose?
Yes we have used that by itself + with the other med. They are only indoors, never go outside.And more questions: Have they used Fenbendazole (Panacure)? Are these indoor only cats? Or do they go out?
The following is a good link for information on Giardia.
Feline Giardia: Transmission, Diagnosis, and Treatment | Today's Veterinary Practice (todaysveterinarypractice.com)
Thank you for this info.Hissy is very experienced and knowledgeable about cat rescue. She became too busy when her husband became incapacitated to continue to contribute to TCS. Sadly, her assistant also became terminally ill and the website kitten-rescue.com has drastically changed You can catch up on her blog at Feral Cat Behavior | Blogging about feral cats and life in general