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Florida To Phase Out Greyhound Racing By 2020. Thoughts?

Discussion in 'IMO: In My Opinion' started by saleri, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. saleri

    saleri Thread Starter TCS Member Super Cat

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    Do we have any thoughts on this?

    Not a dog owner myself, although some people think this is great, I have seen a few pro racers point out there isn't much of a plan for what will happen to the homeless greyhounds.

    Just curious what others think.
     

  2. Pucks104

    Pucks104 My boys! Adult Cat

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    There are many Greyhound adoption organizations across the country that I expect will try to step in and take as many of the racing dogs to re-home as possible. Many years ago we adopted a retired (3 year old) racing Greyhound. She was a lovely pet. I am glad Greyhound racing is being banned. Greyhound station have large litters and many don't succeed in racing so you have the issue if what happens to the young ones that suited to the track. Even the best racing careers are short so where do all the retired racers go and then there is the life of a racing dog - small cage most of the time with a couple of potty breaks then the Sprint of the race and back in the cage. Our girl really had no idea what a toy was or how to play. She learned but it wasn't part of her life prior to being adopted.
     

  3. Willowy

    Willowy TCS Member Top Cat

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    I don't support professional dog racing (I'm all for it if regular dog owners are having fun races). There have been so many abuses in the dog racing industry.

    I've heard that the Greyhound rescue groups are making plans now to get all the dogs into new homes. The "pro racers" can't object on those grounds because the dogs would have still needed new homes at the ends of their careers; what difference does it make if they need those homes a few years earlier?

    I feel bad for those who have made their living that way for years, but that's no excuse for letting abuse continue.
     

  4. saleri

    saleri Thread Starter TCS Member Super Cat

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    I guess the argument, that although it's being done over the course of a little over a year, this is all at once, instead of a generations retiring.
     

  5. Willowy

    Willowy TCS Member Top Cat

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    A racing Greyhound's "career" isn't very long, about 2-3 years. Most of the dogs that are racing now would be retired soon anyway.
     

  6. doomsdave

    doomsdave TCS Member Top Cat

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    My brother's good friend in South Euclid Ohio and his wife adopted a number of greyhounds, and had to jump through a number of hoops to do it. They had to have a yard at least a certain size, fenced all around. My brother helped his friend install the fence, including rasslin' with a post hole digger.

    The dogs themselves, my brother thought, were kind of retarded compared to normal dogs, but maybe they were just deprived, as @Pucks104 indicated. They also aged quickly, becoming gray and a bit decrepit after about 8 years of age.

    I live just down the street from someone who has a LOT of greyhounds to adopt. He's got a big trailer that will haul on the order of 20+ dogs, and he has regular "conventions" where everyone parks near us and walks up to his house that has no parking.

    Hmm. Cat racing anyone? That could be comical.
     

  7. saleri

    saleri Thread Starter TCS Member Super Cat

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    I think the idea was that there just never was much of a plan for the phase out. Now that this passed, it seems like the government is mostly walking away letting rescues and shelters deal with the rest.

    Edit: Also heard they automatically retire at age 5?
     
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  8. doomsdave

    doomsdave TCS Member Top Cat

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    Remember this?

    Greta, the Misfit Greyhound

    About a greyhound that runs across a track and later gets dumped by her owner in the wilderness.

    They showed this at school, I think.

    Fortunately a happy ending, but I remember that perplexed, betrayed look on her face as her owner drove off.
     

  9. saleri

    saleri Thread Starter TCS Member Super Cat

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    I've heard from a lot of greyhound trainers and racers that most of the problems like that in the 80s were resolved, and in modern times this isn't the case at all.
     

  10. Willowy

    Willowy TCS Member Top Cat

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    Probably. I know they aren't allowed to start racing professionally until 15 months.

    But they don't all make it that long. Injuries, bad results, etc. Of course they used to just kill the ones that didn't perform well; there was a whole heap of bodies out back of the racetrack after every race. Most make it to rescue now, I think. It took a long time to get to this point though (it was not solved in the '80s!!!). And the young pups that don't show aptitude for racing still usually don't make it to rescue. The breeders don't have as much oversight as the racetrack.
     

  11. saleri

    saleri Thread Starter TCS Member Super Cat

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    Fair enough. I'm just curious to see how this all turns out, since I believe at this point 41 states has ban it. Hopefully all the dogs will get homes soon.
     

  12. surya

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    The whole idea of dog racing seems really weird to me. Horse racing I get. But, I've never been to either. I don't imagine people who can use and discard animals like that are very nice. I'm glad it is being stopped.
     

  13. Columbine

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    I'm so happy that Florida voted this way. Greyhound racing is plain cruel. The dogs are generally poorly treated, and are seen as disposable the minute they get injured or start losing. Greyhounds are such sweet, loving, gentle dogs. They deserve so much better than a short, miserable life on the tracks.

    I had a greyhound myself (my soulmate boy:rbheart:), and have known/met many others. Without exception, despite such awful starts in life, they're the softest, sweetest, most gentle dogs in the world. I hope the UK follows Florida's example and bans dog racing soon :crossfingers:


    I saw on Instagram that specialist greyhound rescue groups are getting ready to rescue and rehome all the racing hounds from Florida.
     

  14. saleri

    saleri Thread Starter TCS Member Super Cat

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    Just curious what's the difference between Horse racing and this?
     

  15. Pucks104

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    Nothing really. Horse racing is also full of abuses.
     
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  16. surya

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    I'm not saying horse racing is OK. I grew up with horses and it just doesn't seem as weird to me to have a race with them. I just feel like dog racing is weird. Dog fighting is the creepiest of all. It's sick.
     
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  17. goingpostal

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    It's lose lose unfortunately. As with any sport and people involved, there's abuse and poor care. The industry creates these dogs and then leaves it to rescue to deal with the aftermath. On the flip side, greyhounds without a purpose will lose out in other ways, look at English Bulldogs for an extreme example of a dog that used to be a working breed and now is an absolute disaster structurally and health wise. But people would rather see dogs die of obesity related diseases/injuries than working related injuries. If you showed your average person a very overweight dog lying around or a dog racing, they'd only see one as abuse.
     

  18. surya

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    I would argue it is not a sport, since the dogs have no choice in the matter. I fear for the current dogs, there is probably too many to be all rescued. But it will prevent continued abuse.
     
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  19. Willowy

    Willowy TCS Member Top Cat

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    I wouldn't mind if a reasonable number of dogs died of actual working related injuries, as long as steps were taken to reduce those injuries (Greyhounds should not be dying of electrocution, for example. Don't tell me the track owners can't figure out how to run a lure without exposed wires. That's just lazy). If the occasional dog keeled over from a heart problem or broke a bone, so be it. Pet dogs are injured too, that's unavoidable in life. And I'm sure they treat the dogs who make them money very well.

    What I mainly object to is the wholesale disposal of the dogs who are no longer useful. That's exploitative and unacceptable. Rescue shouldn't have to absorb so many unwanted dogs, and killing them is wrong. If they make money off the dogs they should treat them with some respect. But it's all about the money to them, not the dogs' welfare.

    If the dog racers wanted to prove themselves responsible, they would find the dogs homes themselves (taking good care of them while they wait for homes) or they would fully fund the rescues that take on that responsibility.
     
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  20. sabrinah

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    It's about time they got rid of greyhound racing. I don't have an issue with recreational lure coursing (specifically the version that doesn't use live bait) as a fun activity every once in a while, but the racing industry is just cruel. I don't feel bad at all for the people who relied on racing for money. I have zero pity for anyone who benefits at the expense of animals. There are some rescue organizations (I don't think they're in the U.S.) that work directly with the owners of the racing dogs to find them good homes. This is pretty much exclusively for the owners who are highly profitable because they have to fork out thousands of dollars for each dog, paying for mandatory vet checks, transport, etc. I think the organizations did a little Crufts presentation a couple years ago.

    While I would personally love to adopt a greyhound someday, I would be very, very careful. Some awful people still blood their dogs, and I don't want one of those dogs in the same building as my cat. Even if I didn't have a cat, I wouldn't want to own a blooded dog. I don't mind a high prey drive in general, as my current dog has a very high prey drive, but I'm not ok with owning a dog that was encouraged to disembowel small animals.
     

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