Are all flame point cat’s purebred Siamese ???Or do you need papers to prove your cat is purebred Siamese
Oh ok I actually was thinking of thatYou need papers! Or at very least, known ancestry.
Domestic look alikes are more common than the purebreds. And "not even" lookalikes points are common.Oh ok I actually was thinking of that
Oh no I was just wondering because I’ve seen a few flame points at my shelterAre you asking the question because you are thinking of getting a red point (flame point) kitten or cat?
Genetically speaking, red point (flame point) cats are basically red tabby cats (also known as "ginger" or orange) with two copies of the recessive colorpoint gene. The colorpoint gene originally came from the Siamese about 70 years ago, but at this time, the gene is widespread in the domestic cat gene pool. Most pointed cats don't have recent Siamese breed ancestry, although they are often labeled as "Siamese" or "Siamese mix" simply because of their color.
If you are asking about a specific cat, you could post pictures so that we can see if it looks like it might have recent Siamese breed ancestry.
It's not just paperwork, though. Most random bred pointed cats in the US have primarily Western European ancestry, plus the colorpoint gene. All Siamese cats have Southeast Asian ancestry (although not all Southeast Asian cats are Siamese ).Breeds are a human concept and hobby. For a cat to be a recognized Siamese breed they have to have the pedigree and paperwork to support it.
No, they are not considered pure bred without paperwork and proof of lineage etc. Do they have siamese in them? I think if characteristics are strong they do somewhere along the line. There are obvious ways it can happen. The color points which include flame point, tortie point and lynx point and some other variations were not considered part of the officially accepted siamese points which are seal point, chocolate point, blue point and lilac. Originally there were several breeds of cats in Siam not all were siamese pointed. It was described in the Tamra Maew. ( an ancient text about these cats.) They were smaller, thinner cats with points, solid colors, usually grey, black, white and caramel, and blue, green and amber eyes. I think there were some with darker body color and light points as well, in the paintings anyway. Photos of the more recent original siamese or thai cats show them as stocky, larger cats with only seal points and rounder faces. A set were gifted to British and American diplomats who then bred them. They have been interbred with black cats, I think both domestic and others. Siamese cats have been bred with numerous other breeds to get the color point traits.Are all flame point cat’s purebred Siamese ???Or do you need papers to prove your cat is purebred Siamese