first visit to a new holistic vet

stephanie42

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piglet and i went there today.  dh came along since he's been home sick (today's the first day he's felt remotely better and wanted to get out of the house).  the vet blends eastern and western medicine.  he said that if we had brought piglet to him before having the teeth removed, we may have been able to save them.  my hackles went up on that one because the vet dentist said piglet's canines looked like swiss cheese on x-ray.  i'm planning on calling to get copies of her x-rays from there. holistic vet said to tell him everything, so i told him... well, everything.  what precipitated our visit today (after having all four canines removed, i wanted to treat piglet's ckf as holistically as possible) and what drove us to the surgery and why the old vet said she had ckf... i even went back further, telling him we suspected herpes (which he said is very easy to test for - i was told the opposite years and years ago when we first started treating piglet with l-lysine) and how piglet had severe pneumonia at 6-7 months old and was in an oxygen tent for two days out of five spent in hospital.

holistic vet started drawing at that point.  seriously.  he drew five points, each for an element, and explained how in chinese medicine each also represents a system of the body.  and how each is mother or grandmother to another element.  the lungs are mother to the kidneys in this system, meaning that poor lung function can lead to poof kidney function (this is all sort of how he explained it, all based on traditional chinese herbal medicine).  to him, it all made sense, everything that we said piglet has been experiencing.  dh was on board because he hates taking medicine or pills.  he truly believes that the body can heal itself in most cases, if it's given the nourishment and support it needs.  holistic vet also said that we may want to x-ray and/or ultrasound piglet's body to see if there are other things going on.  he shares a story of a dog who was brought to an emergency clinic because he was vomiting a lot.  the er vet ordered ultrasound and bloodwork, which showed nothing abnormal.  during office hours, the dog's parents brought him to holistic vet who ordered x-rays - which showed a big honkin' tumor on the heart.  he believes that x-rays are the the place to start for piglet, that they'll be more beneficial than ultrasound at this point.

so holistic vet came in with a HUGE estimate of everything he thinks we need to start: $77 for the office visit, plus an acupuncture treatment, a bottle of chinese herbal supplements to add to piglet's food, x-ray, fee to have x-ray read by a radiologist, fee to move our films to the top of the stack (what?), and a nutritional consult.  now, i have no problem sharing some things, like over $600 was the complete estimate for all things related to the x-rays.  that includes having them read by a radiologist.  i balked at that for sure.  he explained that he'd want full body x-rays to show everything which i understand.  but about $200 of it was for interpretation of the films.  i haven't had a cat x-rayed in a long, long time.  really long time.  and it was in florida, not new york, which is like the most expensive place in the country to do ANYTHING.  the nutritional consultation was $300, but it's with a nutritionist who will develop a plan specifically tailored to piglet's needs as we go along.  dh and i filled out a packet of info about what we feed piglet now, what we were feeding her before the surgery, what kind of treats we use, does piglet like any human food, so many questions.  even if we would be willing to feed raw/homemade food (answer is 'yes').  

we paid for the acupuncture, the supplements, and the nutritional consult.  we decided those were the most important things.  we both believe in supplements and acupuncture.  my concern now is that weekly acupuncture will be a) a lot of stress for piglet; the office is 35 minutes away, and b) freaking expensive.  $77 office visit and $95 or something for the acupuncture.  i'm found a local veterinary specialist center that does not have a holistic vet but does provide acupuncture.  i've emailed them to see if they would be able to perform acupuncture on piglet and if they'd need a referral.  i'd like to think holistic vet would be willing to write a referral for piglet to have treatment closer to home (like, less than 10 minutes away).  (i'm also hoping they might be cheaper, but we'll see.)  

it feels like a huge layout, but this all seems like the type of stuff that once we get piglet stabilized and on a diet that's good for her and keep her feeling good, it will be about maintenance - yearly checkups for wellness and vax, maybe bloodwork every six months or so, acupuncture once a month or every 6 weeks.  has anyone had any like experiences with a holistic vet, anything they can share?  tia :)
 

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Thank you for sharing your experience. This gives me a good idea of what I might expect.
For about a year now I've been wanting to take Ritz to a holistic vet who also does Chinese medicine, acupuncture and supports raw feeding. But the holistic vet is at least a 45 minute drive, and Ritz hates the cat carrier and the process of my putting her in it. Hence, my reluctance. I have pet insurance, so most of the cost would be covered because a vet does it.
My friend (who rescued Ritz, fostered her, and is my cat mentor) is an acupuncturist. But she too is a 30 minute ride away.
Ritz has had two acupuncture treatments, months apart. I don't believe they helped her FHS but she was markedly calmer for the next 24 hours. Ritz is a skittish, Type "A" personality. To be fair, I know from my friend that it is important to have several treatments fairly close together for acupuncture to be beneficial; this is true for both animals and humans.
Because Ritz is a rescue, my friend didn't charge for those treatments. $95 for a treatment seems about right (my human nutritionist is an acupuncture and that is about what she charges). It seems just based on what you're saying/writing and based on my own personal knowledge of Chinese medicine gleaned from my friend and human nutritionist (both of whom know a lot about Chinese medicine), that your holistic vet knows what he is doing. The holistic vet I am considering taking Ritz to was recommended by my human nutritionist. (She has two cats.)
I am currently working with a homeopathic vet, who does telephone consultations. He strongly believes her FHS episodes are a result of vaccinosis, a reaction to the distemper and rabies shot. We're also working on Ritz voracious appetite. This is my second time of treating Ritz homeopathically; frankly, I haven't noticed much improvement. Indeed, her appetite seems to have increased. I have a follow up consultation with the homeopathic vet tomorrow (Monday).
In conclusion, I tried conventional medicine to help Ritz with her FHS including Prozac and continuation of feeding raw. When conventional medicine doesn't work, then I looked to 'unconventional', non-mainstream help: an animal communicator, a homeopathic vet and perhaps in the near future a holistic vet..
 

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Yes, it seems expensive, but my understanding is that the difference between holistic/integrative and allopathic vets is that the holistic vet tries to get to the root cause of the symptoms, whereas allopathic is trying more to eliminate or lessen the appearance of the symptoms, and they also tend to be ... less subtle in their choice of treatments. How many posts have we all read where the owner has already spent hundreds or even thousands on diagnostics, meds and other treatments yet their cat is still sick; or else their vet can't seem to find anything wrong when clearly there IS something wrong? There also tends to be more understanding of how feeding a diet that is biologically appropriate to the species can have a huge effect on health. I doubt this vet will be shoving bags of Science Diet in your face like they are the Miracle Cure once he finds what is wrong with your cat.

That's a huge reason why I decided to switch vets, because the vet practice I had chosen announced on its website, within weeks of my Shelly's initial exam, that they are now carrying "the full line of SD prescriptoon foods." The nutrition page they used to have up said they would provide resources to owners wanting to feed homemade; that was why I chose them, because it sounded like they approached the subject of nutrition with a rational mind and an eye towards accuracy when it comes to the biology of the animals they treat. Guess I was wrong. What I find laughable is that they claim to wantto help people "understand the claims made by the pet food companies" - um... yeah... while at the same time they are peddling "prescription" food made by the company that IMO especially has a talent for smoke and mirrors ("chicken is the #1 ingredient").
 
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@Ritz, i'm nervous about the frequent car rides too, but the holistic vet pointed out that piglet may begin to feel better after receiving acupuncture.  then piglet may begin to associate car rides with acupuncture with feeling better.  that's what i'm hoping.  i'm also hoping that the very local specialty vet place with acupuncture may be able to see us.

@AutumnRose74, i agree re: treating the cat vs. treating the symptoms.  yes, the symptoms need attention, but we need to get to the root of the problem, the core issues.  holistic vet mentioned that.  i believe in that too.  it's important to use the symptoms to draw a line back to the CAUSE of the symptoms.  the nice thing about holistic/homeopathic/integrative medicine is that it doesn't just look at symptoms and look at traditional allopathic causes; it looks at the whole animal.  it takes into account physical allopathic possibilities and holistic theories.  i was diagnosed with an immunological disease about 7 months ago and have been struggling to find a doctor who will give me the western medicine i need while treating me as a whole person, not just treating the disease and it's physical symptoms.  since it's hard for me to find that (and pay for it lol), dh and i have done research and i do what i can on my own to try and treat my body and spirit.  piglet doesn't necessarily have the ability/means to do that for herself, and i think it's my responsibility to help her do that.
 
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