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Hi all. I've been very absent ,the loss of our little warrior, Luke is very difficult for me still.

We adopted a stray cat from our vet in the winter. Catto is a very old lady.( approximately past 13 years old) She's very energetic but we have serious issues with...worms.

She was dewormed,vaccinated and neutered before the adoption, then she was dewormed again with pills for fleas too. Everything fine and nice, she's healing very well from the neutering.
A little time passes, it's January this year , she throws up a huge amount of worms and I was freaking out since we had a small cat too and our senior cardiac doggo too and me with autoimmune diseases. I just couldn't understand how did that happen ?
We talked with out vet, again deworming, 3 times in every 2 weeks. We still seen after the last, the third time, some dead worms in the feces but in a few days they weren't any more there.
The vet said it's fine, and just keep up the 3 month deworming.
So this is the month we have to deworm both her and our old cardiac doggo.
Today morning I find huge worms in her feces again...and my mind is just blown away... like is this possible ?!

She eats only and strictly cat food , dry and wet, she doesn't have ever access to outside/outdoors so she doesn't hunt. Our doggo is kept strictly too with medications and everything so again, no way to pass anything on to the cat.

After that huge deworming in January we even bought brand new litters and everything to be clean and all.
I just don't understand because this never happened to any of our cats before or not even with the dogs.

Is it possible that something went wrong with the sterilisation and there's some issues in her belly that causes worms or what?
She's not in pain, she eats, she's energetic. I just can't understand this situation at all with her and her worms...

I called our vet today and told her ,she just said to strictly keep the 3 month deworming schedule ,which we did keep strictly , we keep it strictly with our doggo too and all of them.

I asked if I should bring the cat in for her to see /check on her, but she said I don't have to,that it's not necessary at this point.
I think I'm going to call her back to ask for an ultrasound and blood works next week...
Anyone has any ideas maybe what can cause this if she literally has absolutely nothing from where she could get infested ? I'm speechless and it bugs me a lot...

Thank you.( 1000039260.jpg a photo of her majesty)
 

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I would certainly insist on a fecal exam.

To me, it is quite odd because ive never had this type of issue even deworming indoor-outdoor cats.

However, friends of mine have been struggling with a bad case with their newly adopted cats as well. They had to wash the cat bedding frequently and toss current cardboard beds and get new ones as well as a fairly frequent deworming schedule. They were also litter scooping multiple times a day.

Even if you dont see worms in the poo, its best for a fecal exam a few weeks after dewormer to confirm.
 
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I would certainly insist on a fecal exam.

To me, it is quite odd because ive never had this type of issue even deworming indoor-outdoor cats.

However, friends of mine have been struggling with a bad case with their newly adopted cats as well. They had to wash the cat bedding frequently and toss current cardboard beds and get new ones as well as a fairly frequent deworming schedule. They were also litter scooping multiple times a day.

Even if you dont see worms in the poo, its best for a fecal exam a few weeks after dewormer to confirm.
Thank you! I will insist our vet... I do feel like she needs to be seen so I'm gonna insist. We gave her the schedulet dewormer earlier today and will see.... it really blows my mind, we never had ever this type of issue with any of our other cats or dogs only her :/
 

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She is beautiful.

I would look for a feline only vet and take her there.
If you want to do more testing such as an ultrasound, I would take her to a specialist. It just isn’t worth the money to have a regular vet do it since ultrasound is very subjective and you want someone who has had additional training and schooling.

What do the worms look like? Has the vet ever done a fecal to confirm what type of worms?
 
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She is beautiful.

I would look for a feline only vet and take her there.
If you want to do more testing such as an ultrasound, I would take her to a specialist. It just isn’t worth the money to have a regular vet do it since ultrasound is very subjective and you want someone who has had additional training and schooling.

What do the worms look like? Has the vet ever done a fecal to confirm what type of worms?
Unfortunately, we have a large experience with vets in our city and the cities next to us and the country next to us, because of serious kidney disease and cardiac issues with our beloved furry family members. Our now vet is a specialist and mostly for cats luckily, and she's been so present all the time with every issue even if it was the smallest. I'm not sure yet why did she not seem concerned this time since it's a recurring issue with prescription deworming done already and the scheduled 3 month dewormings too.
The worms were long and shorter ones, white-ish at color and with a rounded body.
She said yesterday that we could do a fecal testing in 3 months at the next deworming, to see what's up.
Well I'm not going to wait 3 months because I'm taking her in, it really bugs me and I do not like things being put so away not to say, if I feel like it is an issue.
I'm going to bring in the fecal matters too to check it. I just can't wait 3 months. It's not fair to our old cat, to the other cats, to the dogs. They all had to get dewormers now too all together because of this recurring issue and it's not at all OK in my opinion... there must be something off with this little old lady that the worms are recurring. When we adopted her last year, they said she was healthy. Well she indeed is healthy except the worms issue but that straight puts my mind in to thinking that maybe she's not that healthy...
I was just curious if anyone ever struggled with something like recurring worms even with scheduled good dewormings without any factors that cause worms... I'm just puzzled about the situation at this time.
 

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Tapeworms are caused by a cat ingesting a flea that is carrying the tapeworm egg. I have seen tapeworms look long before. They are made up by many segments. When they pass them in the stool it can look like long grain white rice. E cause all you see is the segments.

if the fleas had never been completely the resolved, it is highly likely that she could eat another one that is carrying the tapeworm egg and re infest herself.

if she was my cat, I would have them run a fecal PCR to the lab and start topical flea prevention for everyone ( animals) in the house and continue it for at least six months.
I like the Revolution for cats. Not Revolution Plus, the original Revolution.

Also to be considered is a resistance to the deworming product being used. It happens all the time and your vet may need to switch products. Also your vet may be treating for roundworms based on the description when in fact it might be tapeworms, with segments all attached, so the actual worm, not individual segments.
Tapeworms don’t usually show up in an in house fecal test.
 
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Tapeworms are caused by a cat ingesting a flea that is carrying the tapeworm egg. I have seen tapeworms look long before. They are made up by many segments. When they pass them in the stool it can look like long grain white rice. E cause all you see is the segments.

if the fleas had never been completely the resolved, it is highly likely that she could eat another one that is carrying the tapeworm egg and re infest herself.

if she was my cat, I would have them run a fecal PCR to the lab and start topical flea prevention for everyone ( animals) in the house and continue it for at least six months.
I like the Revolution for cats. Not Revolution Plus, the original Revolution.

Also to be considered is a resistance to the deworming product being used. It happens all the time and your vet may need to switch products. Also your vet may be treating for roundworms based on the description when in fact it might be tapeworms, with segments all attached, so the actual worm, not individual segments.
Tapeworms don’t usually show up in an in house fecal test.
She doesn't have fleas at all, it was treated before adoption last year. No fleas since then luckily and also they didn't look like tapeworms 😩
None of our pets have fleas, they are all constantly treated with prevention.
The worms ,I have photos are very big/long with rounded bodies. They are more cm long unfortunately. I will find the cause,there's no issue. With our sick cat we sold even our bed to be able to pay for his weekly feline leukemia treatment. I do everything in life for them and for animals in general !
 
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Update on the case, we went to the vet, everything was fine after the deworming and no issues. Blood panel also very nice for her age. But we found a dental issue. She needed a dental surgery , 10 teeth :whitecat: blood panel still very good (which I'm happy for).
 

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Im glad to hear the worms are finally gone. I hope the dental treatment goes well.
 
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Im glad to hear the worms are finally gone. I hope the dental treatment goes well.
Thank you!
The surgery was done today morning,she's home now. I hope that we won't have any complications.. I was and am really worried as she's very old .
 

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My former old man cat had teeth out around the same age and did very well.
 

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Update on the case, we went to the vet, everything was fine after the deworming and no issues. Blood panel also very nice for her age. But we found a dental issue. She needed a dental surgery , 10 teeth :whitecat: blood panel still very good (which I'm happy for).
One thing I found out after one of my cats had a single (dead) worm in his feces soon after adoption, is that the worm eggs are extremely resistant to every cleaner and extremely sticky so it's nearly impossible to prevent worm eggs staying in the environment if an infected cat was there, even indoors. I bought a steam mop, validated that the temperature was indeed hot enough to denature proteins, and steam mopped every hard surface every day for a week, then weekly, along with the deworming.
 
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One thing I found out after one of my cats had a single (dead) worm in his feces soon after adoption, is that the worm eggs are extremely resistant to every cleaner and extremely sticky so it's nearly impossible to prevent worm eggs staying in the environment if an infected cat was there, even indoors. I bought a steam mop, validated that the temperature was indeed hot enough to denature proteins, and steam mopped every hard surface every day for a week, then weekly, along with the deworming.
Thank you for sharing this with me ! When we adopted her and she was infested, we got all new stuff for her after she was worm free and sterilised indoors everything we were able to. But then she got infested again. Now we did the same again, she's worm free now again and I hope this time it stays like this. We never had this type of problem with any of your cats or dogs or foster cats. They all went perfectly with the dewroming treatments and never got infested again. This old cat lady is an interesting case for me.
 
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Guys, I have a question !
She just was able to poop, yesterday she only peed, she ate today, she's very hungry, everything's OK, she has high spirits, her mouth-gums aren't seemingly bleeding and she doesn't have much bloody saliva either.

She just pooped and the poop had small bloody mucus on it.... I wouldn't call it constipation but she had to push it seemingly harder. Is this normal after her dental surgery?! If anything I would have thought of black blood matter/blackish poo from her ingesting blood meanwhile the surgery but not bright red bloody mucus... I'm extremely worried now.
I'm not sure if this is normal. I asked about complications from our vet and she said if her mouth is not bleeding or smelling then it's OK and there shouldn't be any complication.

Hopefully!
Mine got a bit restless for a few days. So dont aorry, thats normal if it happens.
 
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