Corona Virus Now Spreading

[Talien]

Yeah, cases are still surging here. We have three cases in the hospital and three under investigation as of yesterday so I'm interested to see what the numbers look like today. It's young people in their 20s that are getting it, which isn't surprising as we are a college town and bars have opened, but also apparently all in the hospital right now are young and in their 20s and they are quite serious cases. So so much for the "let's let the young and healthy go out and build up their immunity" theory.

They probably have some underlying condition that makes them vulnerable. Supposedly people with pulmonary problems tend to get it bad regardless of age or overall health.

 

[denice]

DeWine went statewide in Ohio with the mask requirement. He wanted to do that a while back and backed off after he got a lot of pushback. I thought he would do that when he started the ranking system for counties and counties at three or four had a mask requirement. State officials have started citing bars and clubs for blatant violations of coronavirus guidelines. I think they will get shut down next. He is trying to do this with the least pushback possible.

 

[mani]

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[Talien]

Yeah, cases are still surging here. We have three cases in the hospital and three under investigation as of yesterday so I'm interested to see what the numbers look like today. It's young people in their 20s that are getting it, which isn't surprising as we are a college town and bars have opened, but also apparently all in the hospital right now are young and in their 20s and they are quite serious cases. So so much for the "let's let the young and healthy go out and build up their immunity" theory.

Probably regular garden variety flu as that has similar symptoms and does not really have a vulnerable subset of the population, it pretty well affects everyone equally.

But that's actually rather interesting. Thinking about it I'm quite sure what we're going to see when flu season hits is flu cases are going to be counted as CV19 cases because many of the symptoms line up.

 

[Willowy]

I'm quite sure what we're going to see when flu season hits is flu cases are going to be counted as CV19 cases because many of the symptoms line up.

I think they need to have a positive test before they can call it COVID-19.

 

[mani]

Things are getting a lot worse here. In my State it's still not bad at all, but I'm thinking I'll need to cancel classes and go back to purely zoom again, despite following social distancing as much as I can. It just isn't worth it, and pranayama in a face mask really doesn't cut it.

 

[denice]

Things are leveling off in Ohio again after a surge. It is now a matter of getting it to drop lower then it did the first time.

 

[Talien]

I think they need to have a positive test before they can call it COVID-19.

That would be the logical thing, right? But since hospitals get money from the government for treating covid cases many of them aren't exactly following that logic.

 

[Willowy]

That would be the logical thing, right? But since hospitals get money from the government for treating covid cases many of them aren't exactly following that logic.

If someone is sick they need treatment no matter what it is. But I'm still pretty sure that in order for it to count toward the official numbers or to get federal funding they need to have a positive test.

"the following services are excluded:
Any treatment without a COVID-19 primary diagnosis."

COVID-19 Claims Reimbursement to Health Care Providers and Facilities for Testing and Treatment of the Uninsured

 

[Talien]

If someone is sick they need treatment no matter what it is. But I'm still pretty sure that in order for it to count toward the official numbers or to get federal funding they need to have a positive test.

"the following services are excluded:
Any treatment without a COVID-19 primary diagnosis."

COVID-19 Claims Reimbursement to Health Care Providers and Facilities for Testing and Treatment of the Uninsured

Let's just say that the shady way some things have been handled so far doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that proper procedure will be always be followed.

 

[denice]

There is a difference between being counted as COVID for statistics and being able to bill the COVID fund for the uninsured. I am now involved in that billing. Only three very specific codes are allowed for billing that fund. We are weeding through claims from the big surge in New York and New Jersey several months ago. Those number have long been part of the statistics. Presumed COVID is part of the statistics.

 

[Leomc123]

well it's a bit hard to make a claim that you wer treated in hospital for covid 19 , when hospitals in California admitted that they will not state or write on document that patients symptoms were a cause of the covid 19 virus. they will state that patient was positive for virus, but it was the pre existing illness that made patient sick or die.

 

[Leomc123]

if you come in sick with a normal virus the immunologist or gp don't tell you, your sick because you have a bad heart, they diagnose you with the virus. in California they diagnose you as having a bad heart and if you die being positive with virus, then your cause of death is bad heart and your death won't be added to vivid death statistics. so right now death stats for California is much much higher than what is being reported right now.

 

[Willowy]

Presumed COVID is part of the statistics.

Hmm. Here they're only counting positive tests. I don't know how they can tell the difference between COVID-19 and a cold or the flu without testing.

About 10% of tests done locally are coming back positive right now.

Several people in the town I work in have tested positive. And at least 3 of them were in the office in the last few days. Well let's hope the plexiglass barrier works.

 

[Willowy]

in California they diagnose you as having a bad heart and if you die being positive with virus, then your cause of death is bad heart and your death won't be added to vivid death statistics

Can't win, really. If a heart attack in someone who tested positive gets counted as a COVID death, some people get mad (even though we don't know what role the virus may have in clotting issues). If it's not counted as a COVID death, some other people get mad.

 

[AbbysMom]

well it's a bit hard to make a claim that you wer treated in hospital for covid 19 , when hospitals in California admitted that they will not state or write on document that patients symptoms were a cause of the covid 19 virus. they will state that patient was positive for virus, but it was the pre existing illness that made patient sick or die.

You may want to stop getting your information off of YouTube. Anyone can post a video saying anything they want. It's no different than thinking a meme is fact. I'm really getting sick and tired of the YouTube and meme virus experts.

PolitiFact - Facebook post cites doctors’ widely disputed calculations on COVID-19 death rate

‘Reckless and untested musings’: Health experts criticize 2 doctors urging ease on social distancing

California doctors with dubious COVID conclusions debunked | News Break

 

[denice]

It really isn't unusual to have a primary cause of death then have secondary conditions that could be contributing factors. That is usually true of the elderly and people with underlying conditions. They actually did autopsies on two patients at the Cleveland clinic. Both had COVID and one had a serious underlying condition, I don't remember what it was. The person without an underlying condition had a paint like substance coating their lungs the other did not. Their conclusion one without the underlying condition died of COVID the other one died of his underlying condition with COVID being a secondary probably contributing factor to his death.

 

[Jem]

In less than a week we went from zero cases for a month, to now having 3 cases.
The first was over the weekend, an "under 19" male, deemed travel related, the second a woman in her thirties, with no known contact or travel and now a third person (no gender or age released yet) that was deemed travel related. So far they are all "self -isolating" at home...I just hope they are following the rules.
As far as I know, these three are not connected to each other...
I know it's only 3 three cases....but we were doing SO GOOD!...

 

[denice]

In less than a week we went from zero cases for a month, to now having 3 cases.
The first was over the weekend, an "under 19" male, deemed travel related, the second a woman in her thirties, with no known contact or travel and now a third person (no gender or age released yet) that was deemed travel related. So far they are all "self -isolating" at home...I just hope they are following the rules.
As far as I know, these three are not connected to each other...
I know it's only 3 three cases....but we were doing SO GOOD!...

Ohio was doing good until it wasn't. We had plateaued and had significantly dropped when we began a slow reopening. The county I live in surged then other counties began surging. Things are beginning to level off again. Columbus is voting on imposing a 11 o'clock curfew on bars, clubs and restaurants, things beginning to get crowded around midnight is thought to be a source of a lot of this. That is just Columbus not the surrounding suburbs. That is how masking started and now it is statewide. It is a balancing act. A complete shutdown is not sustainable economically. The state is struggling with what to cut because Ohio has a balanced budget written into the state constitution.

 

[Jem]

Ohio was doing good until it wasn't. We had plateaued and had significantly dropped when we began a slow reopening. The county I live in surged then other counties began surging. Things are beginning to level off again. Columbus is voting on imposing a 11 o'clock curfew on bars, clubs and restaurants, things beginning to get crowded around midnight is thought to be a source of a lot of this. That is just Columbus not the surrounding suburbs. That is how masking started and now it is statewide. It is a balancing act. A complete shutdown is not sustainable economically.

We have been opening up slowly for several weeks. Our area entered "stage three" about a week and a half ago, so I was expecting some new cases to pop up here and there. What bugs me is that most of these new cases (and the previous last group of cases over a month ago) was that they were travel related. Why do people need to travel right now? (and I'm not talking about work related or bereavement, etc..)
Pretty much the only thing left for us to open up right now is indoor dining and bars I think...oh, and the casino. I can't find the details on restaurants and bars specifically, but we are allowed indoor gatherings up to 50 people and outdoor gatherings up to 100 people, with social distancing in place, and masks if anywhere indoors. So I think the restaurants are allowed to open (indoors) IF they can accommodate the rules, the patios have been open for a while. All shopping and services are open and gyms recently open, so as for our local economy...things are getting back to "new" normal. Things don't feel restrictive.
Our city has a high rate of what was considered "essential workers" so many were still earning an income during the lock down. People are spending their money...now that they have places to spend it.

The state is struggling with what to cut because Ohio has a balanced budget written into the state constitution.

Is that really a thing? I didn't even know that was possible!!!!! LOL! (I am in Canada though... ) A balanced budget is something we talk about, but I didn't think it was really possible...