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I’m back again! It’s been a while. I have gotten into fostering and it’s a lot of work! I rescued a couple kittens last year, two- boy and girl bonded pair. Boy( Aiden-
Gaelic for little fire!) is an orange mackeral tabby, bobtail. Girl ( Iris- many colors! Which she def is! ) is I think the same as folks here have said my Cecily was, a blue tortie colorpoint with white. Wanted to share pics and get confirmation! Her name is Iris. 😍
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Like Cecily she has blue eyes but they are not crossed!
 

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Wow, another tortie point. I never realized this was as common as it seems. I've typically only seen solid point colors. Iris is beautiful!
 
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Wow, another tortie point. I never realized this was as common as it seems. I've typically only seen solid point colors. Iris is beautiful!
She is the most loving little girl. They just made a year on Sept 26th. Her brother is a Manx/ bobtail and he’s my first bobtail and orange in this round of babies!
 

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Colorpoints can be quite affectionate. I find it's less about being affectionate when they want or need warmth and such and more about them really wanting the affection. Needy.
 
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Colorpoints can be quite affectionate. I find it's less about being affectionate when they want or need warmth and such and more about them really wanting the affection. Needy.
she is rarely far from me if she can help it!
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Agree with your analysis - save one detail. She is quite blackish in the darkest places, so I think she is really a seal tortie point with white.
Wow interesting. I didn’t know there was such a thing!
 

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Wow interesting. I didn’t know there was such a thing!
Seal means black in the cat world. :)

Ps. When we talk about black in pointed cats. "siamese-colored cats"
 
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Gotcha! So because her dark color is black instead of the blue gray like CiCi?
Yes.

ps. I notice I was a little unclear. Seal is black in the cat world - when when we talk about points... :) Also, with burmese, but these are too points of sorts, even if its a different gene.

If you say seal about a commonly black cat, you will be understood, but a common black cat is called usually - black. :)
 

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I’m back again! It’s been a while. I have gotten into fostering and it’s a lot of work! I rescued a couple kittens last year, two- boy and girl bonded pair. Boy( Aiden-
Gaelic for little fire!) is an orange mackeral tabby, bobtail. Girl ( Iris- many colors! Which she def is! ) is I think the same as folks here have said my Cecily was, a blue tortie colorpoint with white. Wanted to share pics and get confirmation! Her name is Iris. 😍View attachment 492043View attachment 492044View attachment 492045View attachment 492046View attachment 492047
Gorgeous girl and yes a beautiful tortie point 😁 Wish I could adopt her 😹
 
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Gorgeous girl and yes a beautiful tortie point 😁 Wish I could adopt her 😹
I wish you could too! I have too many 😭

but I just saw something called a dilute calico, what keeps her from being that? Same with CiCi. Their under color is white. I guess I’m confused as to what the difference is between a tortie point and dilute calico. Or is a tortie point a type of dilute calico?
 

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diluted is caused by a double diluting gene. same mechanism as with points. one from ma, one from dear dear pa. dilutation causes black becomes blue / grey; and red becomes creme.
 

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I wish you could too! I have too many 😭

but I just saw something called a dilute calico, what keeps her from being that? Same with CiCi. Their under color is white. I guess I’m confused as to what the difference is between a tortie point and dilute calico. Or is a tortie point a type of dilute calico?
She is a seal tortie point because she has black. A dilute tortie point would have blue instead of black, and would be called a blue tortie point.

A tortie point is a color pointed cat that has tortoise shell points because it’s a tortoiseshell too. The original Siamese cats did not have all of those different points and patterns. Most of them at first were only seal points. Then you had blue point, chocolate point and lavender.

One of the Cat associations- Cat fanciers- will only accept those original points for Siamese cats that are going to be registered or show. Cats who are bred from Siamese cats who are tortie point, lynx point etc. are registered as color point short hair. And for the points, they only accept seal, blue, chocolate, and lilac. There are a lot of other colors that you’re gonna see in color points cats now.

Pointed cats are partially albino, color point genes came from Siamese cats. The body is always lighter than the areas of point like the ear, tail, face, paws etc. which have a cooler temperature. The pigmentation is controlled by temperature. Also as they get older, the body color will get darker. The blue eyes are part of the partial albino effect. If they live in a warmer climate in general, the body will not get as dark.

Dilute is another thing not related to the color point. Although you can have a color point cat that has dilute color. For instance, seal, which is black for cp is non-dilute and blue/ gray is the dilute of black so if it’s a blue/(gray) point it would be diluted seal or black. Chocolate point is not dilute and lavender point is the dilute of chocolate. Hopefully I’m not mixing these things up because sometimes I get confused with the colors.

A non dilute calico has red white and black – in a dilute calico red goes to cream, white stays as white and black goes to blue(Grey).

Color point cats can be seal point with white for instance they can have white spotting, the original snow shoes which were bred from traditional style Siamese cats were Siamese cats that had white spotting.

White spotting can happen in any number of patterns/ colors and you often will see the paw the boots which are white patches on the face on the body and so on. If you look at my profile photo that is my snow goddess Sybil. She was a calico with a lot of white, but she was not dilute.

White has a masking effect and is absence of pigment. It covers up what the original pattern / color would be and completely white cats could be albino, but that has different genes etc. If a cat that has a lot of white or white spotting has kittens it will not only pass on the white potential, but also whatever the pattern and color underneath is to the kittens.

Tortoiseshells strictly speaking, are only supposed to have red and black, but you often see little patches of white on them where they have white spotting. A dilute tortoiseshell would have the same effect as a dilute calico. White equals white, red equals cream, and black equals blue/ gray. Except of course, strictly speaking you’re not supposed to have a lot of white or any white on a tortoiseshell cat.

One thing that can be confusing in tortoiseshell cats is that you can have a non-dilute tortoiseshell and still have cream patches. I think that’s because they have red and black.


image from this link of a dilute calico- left, and non dilute calico- right.

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This site is a must read for siamese cat fans 😀

See pics of all the siamese tortie point cats here:


One last thing – even though seal equals black in color point cats and is genetically the same, in a Siamese cat or a color point cat it does not really look like black. For instance, in my Quinn, who is a purebred classic style Siamese seal point his very darkest areas such as his ears, and his face look more like a very dark brown than black.

And thank you for all you are doing for these cats 🤗
 
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diluted is caused by a double diluting gene. same mechanism as with points. one from ma, one from dear dear pa. dilutation causes black becomes blue / grey; and red becomes creme.
So is that what CiCi is? Because she’s got the peach/ blue gray instead of red and black? She’s got so much white / cream on her too
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She is a seal tortie point because she has black. A dilute tortie point would have blue instead of black, and would be called a blue tortie point.

A tortie point is a color pointed cat that has tortoise shell points because it’s a tortoiseshell too. The original Siamese cats did not have all of those different points and patterns. Most of them at first were only seal points. Then you had blue point, chocolate point and lavender.

One of the Cat associations- Cat fanciers- will only accept those original points for Siamese cats that are going to be registered or show. Cats who are bred from Siamese cats who are tortie point, lynx point etc. are registered as color point short hair. And for the points, they only accept seal, blue, chocolate, and lilac. There are a lot of other colors that you’re gonna see in color points cats now.

Pointed cats are partially albino, color point genes came from Siamese cats. The body is always lighter than the areas of point like the ear, tail, face, paws etc. which have a cooler temperature. The pigmentation is controlled by temperature. Also as they get older, the body color will get darker. The blue eyes are part of the partial albino effect. If they live in a warmer climate in general, the body will not get as dark.

Dilute is another thing not related to the color point. Although you can have a color point cat that has dilute color. For instance, seal, which is black for cp is non-dilute and blue/ gray is the dilute of black so if it’s a blue/(gray) point it would be diluted seal or black. Chocolate point is not dilute and lavender point is the dilute of chocolate. Hopefully I’m not mixing these things up because sometimes I get confused with the colors.

A non dilute calico has red white and black – in a dilute calico red goes to cream, white stays as white and black goes to blue(Grey).

Color point cats can be seal point with white for instance they can have white spotting, the original snow shoes which were bred from traditional style Siamese cats were Siamese cats that had white spotting.

White spotting can happen in any number of patterns/ colors and you often will see the paw the boots which are white patches on the face on the body and so on. If you look at my profile photo that is my snow goddess Sybil. She was a calico with a lot of white, but she was not dilute.

White has a masking effect and is absence of pigment. It covers up what the original pattern / color would be and completely white cats could be albino, but that has different genes etc. If a cat that has a lot of white or white spotting has kittens it will not only pass on the white potential, but also whatever the pattern and color underneath is to the kittens.

Tortoiseshells strictly speaking, are only supposed to have red and black, but you often see little patches of white on them where they have white spotting. A dilute tortoiseshell would have the same effect as a dilute calico. White equals white, red equals cream, and black equals blue/ gray. Except of course, strictly speaking you’re not supposed to have a lot of white or any white on a tortoiseshell cat.

One thing that can be confusing in tortoiseshell cats is that you can have a non-dilute tortoiseshell and still have cream patches. I think that’s because they have red and black.

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image from this link of a dilute calico- left, and non dilute calico- right.

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This site is a must read for siamese cat fans 😀

See pics of all the siamese tortie point cats here:

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One last thing – even though seal equals black in color point cats and is genetically the same, in a Siamese cat or a color point cat it does not really look like black. For instance, in my Quinn, who is a purebred classic style Siamese seal point his very darkest areas such as his ears, and his face look more like a very dark brown than black.

And thank you for all you are doing for these cats 🤗
fabulous reply thank you so much!!!🤗
 

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So is that what CiCi is? Because she’s got the peach/ blue gray instead of red and black? She’s got so much white / cream on her tooView attachment 492836View attachment 492837
Yes, she seens to be a diluted tortie with white. If her eyes are blue, is is a point too. Some may call such a pattern of coloration for diluted calico (point) as her colors are fairly together in field fields; the colors arent much motted together.
 
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Yes, she seens to be a diluted tortie with white. If her eyes are blue, is is a point too. Some may call such a pattern of coloration for diluted calico (point) as her colors are fairly together in field fields; the colors arent much motted together.
Yes Cecily has blue crossed eyes. Here is a picture of her from when she was a kitten!
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