Are Grain Free Food Bad For Cats?

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Seeing a few vets mention that grain free food can cause heart problem for pets? And there are studies to support this? Others also say it's a fad.

What do we think? I saw some articles say it can cause heart problems for dogs, but not cats?
 

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Grain free food can cause heart issues in some dogs. Cats don't seem to be affected but it's still mostly unknown. This topic has been discussed on TCS before:


Some of the threads above contain links to the FDA and AVMA and veterinary schools and other web sites for more information.
 
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Just curious, what reasonably priced dry and wet food do you recommend? I'm thinking of going with fancy feast.
My feeling is you could do worse than FF.

If you go with it, the only one I'd recommend (and probably others) is the Classic line. It is grain free. A 3 ounce can has 80 calories so pretty good. I've seen them as low as .44 cents a can on really good sales. Plus that line has a lot of flavors. Our older girl will almost eat nothing but FF - we've tried to expand her horizons but at 13, oh well. Our younger girl turns her nose up at it though.

They also have a new line that comes in little plastic containers which are solely pure protein and have taurine in them. Only thing is they are a lot lower in calories (less in the container) so it could get pricey if you depend on this. I use them as special treats.
 

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i dont see how unless your feeding fatty greasy meat to your cat cause cats are predators in the wild the only grain or veggies they would eat would be in form of vitamins etc from their preys diet.i try to avoid buying any foods that list meat by products in the first few ingredients listed
 

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It may not be proven to cause long term problems but for my cats the other items added to grain free food like peas, pea protein, potatoes etc all make them have some very festive gastro issues. Also I notice a lot of grain free foods using prebiotics like fructo and inulin both of which make all three of my cats sick. It’s impossible for us to find a grain free food they can eat due to these issues
 

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My research gave me the following conclusions:
  • Grain-free foods that have legumes (lentils, chickpeas, peas, etc) have been proven to cause heart problems in dogs
  • There is not yet research establishing this connection for cats
  • Grain-free cat foods can have high carbohydrate content by containing other sources of carbohydrates such as potatoes, sweet potatoes, etc, which is not good for cats
  • Therefore, not all grain-free cat food is equal—only the kinds with legumes and starchy ingredients such as potatoes might be harmful
I’d choose a low-carbohydrate food containing grains over a high-carbohydrate grain-free one containing legumes or potatoes.
 

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Seeing a few vets mention that grain free food can cause heart problem for pets? And there are studies to support this? Others also say it's a fad.

What do we think? I saw some articles say it can cause heart problems for dogs, but not cats?
Cats are meat eaters and do not process plant matter well in their food. Dogs do process plant matter in the food.
 

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Seeing a few vets mention that grain free food can cause heart problem for pets? And there are studies to support this? Others also say it's a fad.

What do we think? I saw some articles say it can cause heart problems for dogs, but not cats?
Right now my cat eats hills prescription diet c/d. She no longer throws up every morning though she just started. Yes the ingredients are terrible but I have majorly researched it and asked other vets,,including specialist, that this is the best food for crystals. There is something in it that helps. If your cat has no health issues, grain free is best
 

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Right now my cat eats hills prescription diet c/d. She no longer throws up every morning though she just started. Yes the ingredients are terrible but I have majorly researched it and asked other vets,,including specialist, that this is the best food for crystals. There is something in it that helps. If your cat has no health issues, grain free is best
The "big secret" to the so-called kidney diets is they have higher acidity to break down crystals/stones. That's it, literally the only difference between those "prescription" foods with their terrible ingredient list and low-quality plant matter filled junk that costs $0.40 a can. It is one of the biggest scams out there, hills, royal canin, etc. are made out to be some kind of actual medicine when in reality they're overpriced garbage.

Of course, too high acidity promotes the formation of calcium oxalates, which are much harder to get rid of than struvites.
 

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Wanted to clarify about the inaccurate ‘grain free is bad for dogs’ that both headlines and some vets have latched on to.

Based on the primary research, it’s not grain free that’s actually harmful to dogs — it’s what’ fillers other than grain are used in some foods. In fact, a lot of the food investigated wasn’t grain free.

Here’s a statement on the topic from the FDA:

FDA is investigating a potential dietary link between canine dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM) and dogs eating certain pet foods containing legumes like peas or lentils, other legume seeds (pulses), or potatoes as main ingredients. ... Some of these were labeled as “grain-free,” but grain-containing diets were also represented.
I would like to point out that firstly, many vet formulated diets, as well as vet-recommended brands fall under the characteristics of using high volumes of legumes and potatoes. Secondly, while legumes and potatoes aren’t a great ingredient in cat food by any stretch, there’s no evidence of a link between feline DCM and legumes, potatoes, or grain free (not to mention most good cat food is both grain, legume, and potato-free, anyway). Diet-related DCM in cats is only known to be caused by low taurine at the moment, which no modern cat food should have. In fact, many will provide excess taurine, as it’s just safely excreted through the urine.
 

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All I know is cats are protein eaters but most canned cat food grinds the bones in with the meat and they call it a meal. This is bad because it causes a high phosphorus level in the food and calcium etc etc. Just watch a clip of lions eating. They leave the bone.
 

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The "big secret" to the so-called kidney diets is they have higher acidity to break down crystals/stones. That's it, literally the only difference between those "prescription" foods with their terrible ingredient list and low-quality plant matter filled junk that costs $0.40 a can. It is one of the biggest scams out there, hills, royal canin, etc. are made out to be some kind of actual medicine when in reality they're overpriced garbage.

Of course, too high acidity promotes the formation of calcium oxalates, which are much harder to get rid of than struvites.
Don't get me started. There is nothing in them that is prescribed. But the prices are ridiculous. I especially love getting a vets permission to buy cat food.
 

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All I know is cats are protein eaters but most canned cat food grinds the bones in with the meat and they call it a meal. This is bad because it causes a high phosphorus level in the food and calcium etc etc. Just watch a clip of lions eating. They leave the bone.
Lions will definitely eat some bone, just not weight-bearing bone -- it's their source of calcium, and helps maintain the correct calcium-phosphorous ratio for their cells' calcium channels to work properly; besides, much more accurate to compare to small wild cats that will eat small prey, like birds and mice, more or less entirely whole, only leaving some of the stomach contents.
 

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I am waiting to here back from the specialist I just emailed. I think but not sure 2 ingredients dl Methionine and L Lysine are needed for crystals which she has. No infection. There are more than 1 kind of crystal. I asked if I could give her daves restrictive diet and she said it depends on the kind of crystal. I would rather feed what has stopped her throwing up every morning even if it has starches. It is not pleasant to listen too and she feels better
 

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Just curious, what reasonably priced dry and wet food do you recommend? I'm thinking of going with fancy feast.
Going back on topic, I buy the ff classics turkey and giblets. My cat eats 3 ounces half 6 am using a timer and rest 9am. It makes feeding easy having a 3 oz can.
 
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