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Took coal to the vet for the first time today. Vet is treating his eyes with antibiotics both orally and through an ointment. He has also given me some l-lysine as he has had good luck with the stuff if it is a herpies virus. He does not think it's calicivirus as his eyes aren't as bad as they would be with that. He also says that coal has a viral gingivitis which he has told me will mean that I will have to have his teeth removed at some point. Finally we are probably looking at testing for FIV and FeLV at his check in visit, as he is suspicious with these other illnesses.

My heart is broken. again. I am so tired of having sick pets. This may be my last cat at this rate. I cant afford the pain. I haven't had a healthy pet in 15 years now. so tired.

Anyone have a good outcome with these types of symptoms? My first application of the ointment was a disaster and I ended up sobbing in my bedroom thinking about how I'll have to put him down in the next few years or remove all of his teeth (which only has a 60 percent success rate) and there's nothing I can do to help it or him. I just need to accept that at some point he will be too much in pain and it may not be many years till we get there.
 

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It doesn't sound like Coal has anything serious. Gingivitis is extremely common among cats (and humans!) In addition to brushing teeth and removing the bad teeth when it's needed, you can use enzymatic tooth pastes they make for cats, water additives, dental treats, etc

Watery eyes can be over a number of things. The list is long but most reasons are usually mild. I would discuss with the vet adding probiotics to support the immune system.

We all get health isues sometimes. It's a part of being alive. :-) We live every second. We all tend to think in years about lifespan which gets depressing but every minute is precious. I try to remember that myself too.
 

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I agree about the gingivitis, one of mine has had it since she is 5 months old, she's 6 years old now and doesn't seem to bother her. If you can't brush Coal's teeth, put a little enzymes toothpaste on the end of a Q tip and swipe it on the gum line each day. Have the tests done to see what you are facing, they could all be clear. Putting eye ointment on each day will get easier, the first couple of days is stressful. Let us know how things go.
 
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It doesn't sound like Coal has anything serious. Gingivitis is extremely common among cats (and humans!) In addition to brushing teeth and removing the bad teeth when it's needed, you can use enzymatic tooth pastes they make for cats, water additives, dental treats, etc

Watery eyes can be over a number of things. The list is long but most reasons are usually mild. I would discuss with the vet adding probiotics to support the immune system.

We all get health isues sometimes. It's a part of being alive. :-) We live every second. We all tend to think in years about lifespan which gets depressing but every minute is precious. I try to remember that myself too.
He says he has Gingivostomatitis, which is viral as opposed to bacterial gingivitis. The viral one attacks the plaque in the mouth and causes legions and sores (which he doesn't have yet). There are no treatments and from what I read brushing is very painful with it. All the sites say he will eventually have to have either all of or most of his teeth removed to remove the source of the plaque.

His eyes are bilateral keratitis, which is herpies, chlamydia or another virus on his corneas. It seems like it should be more manageable once we figure out how to treat it.
 

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Lots of cats live good lives with no teeth, they manage to eat well without them.
Is the keratitis the same as eosinophilic keratitis, if so I had a cat with that and managed to get it into remission and stay there with a particular eye drop.
 

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I have had elderly cats with almost no teeth and they do fine. My vet had a 23 year old cat in the office who had no teeth whatsoever and still ate without an issue.

If you can use eye drops, and I am not saying that your particular prescriptions come in drop form, it is easier.
 

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I can’t speak to the eye issue, but Mocha had all but six of her teeth removed in December 2019. She was in a lot of pain prior to that, and, of course, the surgery was painful and traumatic for both of us. But she recovered quickly and has been doing really well since then. And if Coal turns out to be FIV+, I saw a lot of FIV+ kitties in the shelter where I volunteered, and they were generally a happy bunch. Their main issue seemed to be stomatitis so several had teeth extracted, but I was amazed at how well they did once they were free of the pain their teeth had been causing them. None of them had the least problem chowing down on their canned food!

It’s really hard having a sick kitty, especially if it’s one thing after another. We all know your pain. :alright:
 
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Lots of cats live good lives with no teeth, they manage to eat well without them.
Is the keratitis the same as eosinophilic keratitis, if so I had a cat with that and managed to get it into remission and stay there with a particular eye drop.
he said that he was pretty sure that it wasn't eosinophilic keratitis because it wasn't as cloudy as he would typically see in those cases.
 
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I have had elderly cats with almost no teeth and they do fine. My vet had a 23 year old cat in the office who had no teeth whatsoever and still ate without an issue.

If you can use eye drops, and I am not saying that your particular prescriptions come in drop form, it is easier.
It does come in drops but the pharmacy didn't have them, so my options were ointment or nothing. I also read that the ointment was easier, I think it's personal preference (which I'm sure I will decide on eventually). As it stands I'm stuck with the ointment but if I can't manage that I'll consider asking for another script and searching out the drops.
 

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It sounds as if your vet is very knowledgeable about eye complaints. Let's hope Coal will be ok and gets the right treatment to get well. Keep us updated.
 
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I can’t speak to the eye issue, but Mocha had all but six of her teeth removed in December 2019. She was in a lot of pain prior to that, and, of course, the surgery was painful and traumatic for both of us. But she recovered quickly and has been doing really well since then. And if Coal turns out to be FIV+, I saw a lot of FIV+ kitties in the shelter where I volunteered, and they were generally a happy bunch. Their main issue seemed to be stomatitis so several had teeth extracted, but I was amazed at how well they did once they were free of the pain their teeth had been causing them. None of them had the least problem chowing down on their canned food!

It’s really hard having a sick kitty, especially if it’s one thing after another. We all know your pain. :alright:
The sites are suggesting that there is only a 60% success rate for elimination of pain by removal of teeth in these cases. Maybe that's an exaggeration?
I wonder how long I have until I have to make the decision about his teeth. As it stands it sounds like it's just irritation, so not part of the discussion.
 
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It sounds as if your vet is very knowledgeable about eye complaints. Let's hope Coal will be ok and gets the right treatment to get well. Keep us updated.
thanks. I think I need to focus on something I can control (the eyes) and then get the FIV test done in a few weeks when I take him in, and then figure out the teeth as it approaches. Maybe I'll luck out and it will be a few years or something?
 

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Lots of cats live good lives with no teeth, they manage to eat well without them.
:yeah: I completely agree.

Our present cat's teeth were in such bad shape when we adopted him the vet who is a feline specialist couldn't even estimate his age. She gave us a three year window. His teeth were cracked and some of them were missing. He had a severe case of gingivitis. Over the course of several years he had two separate dental surgeries and ultimately all his teeth were removed. He is so much happier now and you would never know he has no teeth. I hope the same is true for Coal. :crossfingers:
 
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Update:
We have been doing antibiotics (oral and gel) for 5 days now. Also giving that lysine stuff. We feel that his eye colour is lighter, but looking back at pictures doesn't really show that. The milkiness hasn't changed, but his 3rd lid retracts more often now.
Immediately after we started the oral his bad breath disappeared and hasn't come back. Also yesterday he randomly started eating lots of hard cat food. Hoping that maybe the vet was wrong about the gingivitis.
We have an appointment on the 23rd for an appointment and the FIV blood draw. Giving all of these antibiotics has been a bit of a personal hell. Send me strength (and oral administration tips!).

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Unfortunately it's liquid, and it's pediatric so it's caramel flavored. He hates it so much and it's super sticky and I've had no luck hiding it in his food.

The gel goes in his eyes. I'm slowly getting the hang of it, but its 3 times a day until our next appointment, and wrestling him 4x a day (with the oral) has been exhausting.
 

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💕 Sylorna .. you have your hands full for sure... I went through so much of this with Bella. She had eye and teeth issues and loads of meds ; eyes , ears , oral.. I hear you as to what a pain it is !! They were going to pull all her teeth ( but they actually only pulled 8 of them.. the rest were not that bad after all ) judging by her full figure, eating was no issue :insertevillaugh: .. administering oral meds is a PIA .. I had 2 tricks that worked well.. one med she hated and it was a battle to get her to take it ...and it was 2X a day. she HAD to have it ..she LOVED this stuff called Purrfect Creamy treats by the Temptations folks. little tubes of some creamy , yummy stuff. I could mix anything in it and she gobbled it up. even that medicine !! If she wouldn't ( and yes, we had those days ) I would say " ok, then down the hatch we go " .. pick her up, hold like a baby , turn her head to one side , and put syringe toward the back of her mouth , in the cheek and ZIP .. she had to swallow it . its too far back to spit it out . she of course would bolt at that point ( I would try to do it where she would land somewhere soft ) .. then I would give her something yummy to get rid of the taste. Not to reward " bad behavior", but so she would learn that if we had to do it, she would get something yummy after .. and not put up such a fuss next time. Now, Bella weighed 17 lbs. and was no easy battle .. but the more you do it, the easier it gets. and dont forget , Coal is still new to your family and the trust it still new. all that will come. I had Bella for years. She trusted me and still fussed, but we found our groove ,and you will to. it really DOES get easier... once we got the bad teeth removed , and the Lysine got her eye virus in remission .. you would be hard pressed to tell her from any " healthy" cat. She had 13 happy years with us ! Hang in there !!! :heartshape::cheerleader:
 

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One of mine lost all her teeth by the time she was 17. For the remaining two years of her life, she continued eating wet and dry food as though nothing had changed.
 

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Sylorna .. how are things going with you and Coal ? you said the vet offered some hopeful news .. did that turn out good ? How are things for you ?? hope things are looking up for you and Coal, both !!! :crossfingers: :heartshape:
 
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Sylorna .. how are things going with you and Coal ? you said the vet offered some hopeful news .. did that turn out good ? How are things for you ?? hope things are looking up for you and Coal, both !!! :crossfingers: :heartshape:
Hey Cindy
We are ok. Only one more dose of the oral antibiotics left on Thursday, and he has a check up that day too. The script for the ointment said 3x/day for 14 days. The tech said she thought it might be until the next appointment but I honestly don't think it did anything. I did 15 days and stopped. If anything his eyes look less irritated since stopping. His eyes look basically the same as before, but we are noticing that they are occasionally reflecting light, which they were unable to do previously. Hoping that means some progress. I honestly think we need an antiviral and that it's herpes.
The oral antibiotics seem to have cleared up his bad breath completely and I am hopeful this will be an answer. The vet who put Yuki to sleep last week said that the gum condition can occasionally (but not normally) be grown out of, and since he's a juvenile it could happen.
My friend gave me some cat probiotics to help with the diarrhea the oral antibiotics was causing. Despite only being able to get the smallest amount into him, it seems to be helping a bit. Going to ask the vet about other options.
He sleeps with my husband now, which makes me sad but hopefully I'll transition back to the master bedroom soon once again (my daughter still likes to sleep with me).
We get FIV and FeLV testing on Thursday during the next appointment. I'm pretty convinced he has FIV, but I've done a lot of research on it and it doesn't seem too bad. Fingers crossed its not FeLV, but I dont think it is.
I feel so much more in control and rational since Yuki passed. He really is delightful and even slept on my lap while I knitted this weekend (what I wanted a cat for). Honestly I do not feel a strong connection to him, but I think its because I am guarding myself from pain and I am hoping that once we stabilize him I will feel more open. In the meantime its nice to snuggle with him and give him bellyrubs and watch him play.
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