A Dog's Problem--knee Issues

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So I have this lovely, adorable, playful, fun-loving, people-loving, mannerless(other than cat-manners), intelligent, eager-to-please chihuahua/Pomeranian mix. She's 16lbs of muscle and approximately 3-4 years old. She lived with my aunt at first with five other dogs, two cats, and--for a brief time--my two rats. Got along with everyone. She came to live with us after about year, give or take.

She's a wonderful little dog. She's very smart and very loving and behaves with the cats. She loves to chase the ball outside. It's her favorite toy, her favorite game.

Her favorite game has a tendency to bite back.

There had been a couple of times where we were outside playing and she all of a sudden collapsed, yelping. I didn't know what happened. I thought maybe she stepped on something, maybe she got stung. Couldn't find any sign of injuries. She'd get back up and want to keep playing. This happened a few times, but not often. However, it was concerning when it happened while she was playing inside, on hardwood floor rather than in the grass. We could only think maybe she turned weird and hurt herself. It never lasted long. She'd limp for maybe a minute or two and then be totally fine.

Well, she went to the vet and we brought up her issues with her leg. The vet was in the process of cutting her nails when she found out what was wrong: Stella's knee has a tendency to pop out of place.

Now, fortunately, it seems to go back in on it's own just fine. The vet told me how to fix it just in case it doesn't, but I hope that day never comes. You see, I tend to be a bit sensitive when it comes to bones, tendons, organs, etc. Thinking about it is bothering me. And I worry about doing something wrong, about making it worse.

Yesterday, I took her out to play ball. She loves the game and we don't play it often. It didn't take long before she suddenly started yelping and sat down with one leg sticking out. I immediately knew what had happened, but was hoping she'd get up and be fine. That's how it usually is. Even if she limps a little, she goes right back to normal. So I had to run out in the grass. In my socks. I tried feeling her knee, but it seemed to have gone back on it's own. She wouldn't get up though. I didn't want to move her. I had to yell at my eight year old sister to go get my dad which took way too long. The whole time, Stella was whimpering and whining and holding her leg out weird. My dad finally--finally--came out and walked over to where we were. By that time Stella had mostly stopped whining and even got up to see him. After another moment, she was back to normal. She even got her ball and brought it to me. But after rolling the ball across the concrete a couple of times, she was clearly limping and I brought her back inside.

After that, she was pretty much back to normal. She limped once later that night for only a couple of seconds. She took the stairs which I hadn't intended on letting her do. I was going to carry her up, but had to get some stuff up first. She ran ahead of me.

Today my stepmom walked into the house and left the front door open. I wasn't worried about Stella running off, but called her over anyway. There was a little yelp and she came back to me limping. I carried her to the couch. I tried wrapping her leg up, but it wouldn't stay in place. So for now, I'm not playing with her and trying to limit how much she uses her leg.

I feel bad though. She's very good about laying around the house and being calm when there's nothing to excite her. But she's not exactly a low-energy couch potato. She loves to play. She loves to learn new tricks. She loves being active even when she starts panting heavily after five minutes. And she can't play her favorite game without worrying about having her knee pop out of place!

She doesn't deserve this. She really doesn't. Stella can be a handful consider her excitability and lack of training/socializing before coming to us, but she's a wonderful dog. She doesn't deserve the pain.

Anyway, sorry this is so long. I don't really know what to expect from it, but I don't know what to do. If there's anything I can do. The vet never said anything about what could be done to help her, to prevent it from happening. She just showed me where it happens and told me how to put it back in place. It's terrifying when it happens though, for both of us.
 

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There are surgeries that can be done. And there are doggie knee braces. Surgery is pretty expensive, though, and the knee braces aren't cheap and some dogs don't like them. If surgery is financially possible, talk to an orthopedic specialist vet. If not, talk to your vet about pain relief.
 
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There are surgeries that can be done. And there are doggie knee braces. Surgery is pretty expensive, though, and the knee braces aren't cheap and some dogs don't like them. If surgery is financially possible, talk to an orthopedic specialist vet. If not, talk to your vet about pain relief.

Thanks. Unfortunately, surgery is not possible. I also prefer avoiding medicating my animals and it seems rather sad to do it for something that doesn't usually happen often, but that will be on the list of considerations. We'll be trying other things first. We're probably going to try a knee brace. They might not be cheap, but it's better than surgery. I'm sure it'll freak her out, but I'm hoping she can get used to it. She handled socks alright.

I am looking into the condition though. There are supplements that are supposed to help which she will be put on. The brace is the next thing I intend on trying. Fortunately, it seems like a low level of luxating patella which is supposed to be manageable without surgery. However, the knee keeps popping out of place and I don't know why. It did so a couple of times yesterday and once today when she was just laying on the couch. When she stood up, I noticed she barely had her toes touching the couch. I was able to rub it back into place and it didn't seem to hurt her, but it scared her pretty badly.
 

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Did your vet specify what Grade level Stella's condition is based on the severity? There are 4 Grade levels. Just out of curiosity, was an x-ray or CT scan performed? Sometimes they can be useful to screen for other causes of lameness. Every situation is different and you may want to consider getting a second opinion from an orthopedic specialty vet. Supplements or anti-inflammatory medications are definitely beneficial but some may have side effects so be careful. Best of luck! Sending special thoughts and healing vibes for Stella. :vibes::vibes:
 
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Did your vet specify what Grade level Stella's condition is based on the severity? There are 4 Grade levels. Just out of curiosity, was an x-ray or CT scan performed? Sometimes they can be useful to screen for other causes of lameness. Every situation is different and you may want to consider getting a second opinion from an orthopedic specialty vet. Supplements or anti-inflammatory medications are definitely beneficial but some may have side effects so be careful. Best of luck! Sending special thoughts and healing vibes for Stella. :vibes::vibes:
Thanks. No, my vet never specified. In fact, I hadn't known there were four grades until recently. I don't recall the vet ever even giving it a name. I don't feel she gave me enough information in the slightest. I do take part of the blame though. I should have asked and done the research sooner. I just assumed the vet would tell me what I needed to know.

No scans or x-rays. I don't know what else it would be though. The vet did feel it pop out of place too.

I would like to talk to someone else, but we're in a bit of a tight spot right now. This is all very bad timing. I'm going to be really busy and my mom is going to be out of work for a while. I'm going to have to do all the cooking and cleaning for us both on top of taking care of the animals. And I can't drive because I fainted in March and have to wait six months. So if anyone has to go to the vet, I'm going to have to fine someone else to take me and we don't really have the money right now.

I will definitely be doing the research before putting her on anything. I am going to start glucosamine though. I take that as well as my mom and one of my cats, so we have that in the house all the time and none of us have had a problem with it. I've been looking into chondroitin too, but it gets a bit expensive.

The one thing I don't understand is why it's happening so often. It doesn't always hurt her, but it keeps going out and I've been putting it back myself. This has never happened before. It's gone out more times in less than a week than it has in her life.
 

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Luxating patellas tend to get worse with time. This is likely the new normal for her. Eventually the only real solution is surgery, but it can be put off to some extent with supplements. You may want to consider seeing a holistic vet, since they might have alternative treatments that fit more with your feelings on medication.
 
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Luxating patellas tend to get worse with time. This is likely the new normal for her. Eventually the only real solution is surgery, but it can be put off to some extent with supplements. You may want to consider seeing a holistic vet, since they might have alternative treatments that fit more with your feelings on medication.
Thanks for the reply. I'm kind of worried that it is the new normal for her. It seems like it's slowed down a bit, but I haven't really been playing with her much either. I would like to get the surgery eventually, but even if we managed to get the money for it, I have enough to take care of right now. We're going to try some exercises to strengthen her leg and keep everything aligned.

I read that this could progress, but I didn't think it was suppose to progress very much very quickly. This seemed rather sudden.

I was thinking about trying to find a vet online, someone I could talk to without any appointment and having to get a ride. A holistic vet would be great. I'm not against putting her on medication, but I don't want it to be the first choice. Especially not for something long term.
 
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